Chinese Santa Cruz/AM831

[bruto]

for the record, this is VPP too: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/550-Open-Mold-Trail-Bike-Frame,134304/sspomer,2
and is 2 years old now
also sold for 600 by http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html
or more, if you want it with a shock and branded: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/DaBomb-27-5-Trail-Bike,134257/sspomer,2

[emu26]

Look how short the reach is on that though, 584mm in a size 19", and that's not even through the centre of the BB

[bruto]

reach is the C measurement, you're looking at ETT
yeah it's not for overly tall people, but good enough for me at 1.80m

[emu26]

Sorry, yes I meant ETT., Reach is obviously shorter again

[bruto]

on par with many other bikes from 2017 and 18:
https://www.norco.com/bike-archives/2018/range-c-framekit/
https://www.norco.com/bike-archives/2017/range-c71-framekit/

[numberzero]

for the record, this is VPP too: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/550-Open-Mold-Trail-Bike-Frame,134304/sspomer,2
and is 2 years old now
also sold for 600 by http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html
or more, if you want it with a shock and branded: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/DaBomb-27-5-Trail-Bike,134257/sspomer,2

This thing is a single pivot design based on a flexing rear triangle.
On a VPP there is an additionnal link between rear and front.

[bruto]

You would have a pretty hard time trying to flex a solid rear triangle like that
the lower link is backwards, hugging the down tube and its rear pivot is obscured by the rear triangle, but the drawing shows where it is
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/files/CF7-213_GK.jpg

[numberzero]

You would have a pretty hard time trying to flex a solid rear triangle like that
the lower link is backwards, hugging the down tube and its rear pivot is obscured by the rear triangle, but the drawing shows where it is
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/files/CF7-213_GK.jpg

Did you have the frame in hand or did you see what's supposed to be hidden?
I can only imagine something like the yeti suspension with an eccentric or the updated switch infinity system.

[bruto]

that would be way too complicated for $600 and still protected by the patents, I bet
I judge by the the photos - the show enough to see that it's not a flex stay design and the drawing shows all pivots

[bruto]

here's the PDF chart showing all the links

[scourge]

Anyone know what size shock it's going to use yet? I could be in if I could salvege parts off my current bike.

[Flo7]

210x55mm



Santa Cruz are using 210x52,5mm

[scourge]

Thank you for the reply. My shock won't work, but I'm still considering this frame.

[scourge]

So new Message von Miracle->

Price 669USD for 1pc and  the Price 469USD is for MOQ 10 PCS!

That price for 10 frames is fantastic. 

[scourge]

Anyone know if haideli offers options on the frames like headsets etc.? What about paint jobs? Not that I mind all black. I'll chat with them, but I figured I'd ask here first.