List of Full Suspension MTB Frames

[Dirt]

I was wading through the piles and piles of bike frames on AX and realized that there aren't actually that many models, so decided to try to compile a list of them with a few of their notable features.  Here is that list:

100mm Travel Frames

FM-06: seraph. 29, 29+, 27.5+. 100mm Travel. HA 68.5. CS 435. Reach 429.5 medium.

FS029: seraph. 100mm travel. HA 66.9. CS 443. Reach 426 medium. Boost 29.

FS-829: winowsports. Travel 100.2mm. HA 66.9. CS 438. Reach 426.4 medium. Maybe the 029 above with a different rear triangle?

030: sold by BXT, 100mm travel, HA 69.5, CS 438, Reach 432, boost or standard

FM-036: seraph. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium.

049: 100mm travel, 68.5 HA, CS 435mm, Reach 429mm (medium}

MTB-077: sold by Drizzle (BXt). 100mm travel, HA 69, CS 450, Reach 440 Medium,, max tire 29x2.3

FM-078: seraph. 100mm travel. HA 69. CS 450. Reach 440 Medium.

181 27.5: sold by Tideace. 100mm travel. 69.5 HA. CS 460. boost or standard.

FM-936: sold by Carbonda.com. 100mm travel. HA 67.  CS 438.  Reach 475 Medium.  Max tire 27.5x2.8, 29.2.35.  Boost. 


110mm Travel Frames
WL-SF28: sold by winowsports. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium. 29+ max tire 3.0.

FM038: seraph. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium.

120mm Travel Frames
FS-027*: seraph. 120mm travel HA 66.9. CS 443. Reach 426 medium. Max tire 27.5x2.8 29x2.25

130mm Travel Frames
FM10: updates fm08. Seraph. 135-150mm flipchip travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440 Medium.

140mm Travel Frames


150mm Travel Frames
FS-831: winowsports. Similar to Hightower. 148mm travel. HA 65.5. CS 433. Reach 443 medium. Max tire 29x2.4.

FM10:. Seraph, updates fm08. 135-150mm flipchip travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440 Medium.

P9: sold by ICAN. 150mm travel, HA 66, CS 452, Reach(medium) 425mm, boost

MTB-087: sold by Drizzle (BXT) . 150mm travel, max tire 2.3 standard {2.35 boost}, HA 66.4, CS 457, Reach 425 medium, boost or standard

FM-356: sold by carbonda.com. HA 69. CS 457. Reach 419.5 medium.  Max tire 27.5x2.8, 29x2.3.  Boost

839: Winowsports. 150mm travel. HA 66.4. CS 457. Reach 425.4. Same as  the 087?

SP-M10: sold by spcycle. 150mm travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440mm medium. Same as FM10 above

Incomplete Info:
FM037: Seraph.
FM08: Seraph.
FM356: Seraph. ?
S8: sold by ICAN. 110mm/100mm travel. Other info won't load.
P1: sold by ICAN, 130mm travel, boost,

*Despite the FS27 being marketed as a 120mm bike, it is effectively limited to 100mm travel since no 45mm stroke shock exists for the bike.  The shock mount provisions are 50mm wide, which will not fit a 54mm wide trunnion, not to mention the frame would need to be drilled for 10mm bolts.  Additionally, the trunnion body would interfere with the down tube.  Unfortunately that limits us to 165 length conventional shocks, of which 38mm stroke is the most youll find. - GuitsBoy

[sclyde2]

not sure of the purpose of this thread - could very easily be cynical, and suspect vendor involvement (poster's first post noted), as the list seems to be dominated by a small number of brands.

but we should entertain the idea that this thread is genuinely motivated....
so, if you are going to attempt this, try to at least have some level of thoroughness - a quick glance at the titles of the threads on this forum would quickly reveal quite a few frames not on the list.  e.g. didn't notice the sizeable fm936 thread?

[freeride1]

don't know if the OP want to promote this brands, but about Drizzle (BXT) MTB-087 or WinowSports 839 pay attention (at least in size Large-19") at a big engineering error!
I have one built in january (see my thread "The eggplant") that is not rideable at the moment due to a wrong rocker arm design/size.
I'm in touch with the vendor (Winow) since mid january and couldn't address this till now!
Shock size is wrong, either on 200X50/51/57mm...seatstays arch strike seat tube at about 47 mm stroke!
This week I'll try a 210x55 (purchased for the FS831 oncoming frame) and if I'll be lucky, be able to ride this frame.
I'll update my thread next week with my results.
Probably in size M it work fine.

[carbonazza]

not sure of the purpose of this thread - could very easily be cynical, and suspect vendor involvement (poster's first post noted), as the list seems to be dominated by a small number of brands.

but we should entertain the idea that this thread is genuinely motivated....
so, if you are going to attempt this, try to at least have some level of thoroughness - a quick glance at the titles of the threads on this forum would quickly reveal quite a few frames not on the list.  e.g. didn't notice the sizeable fm936 thread?

Isn't Seraph from Tan Tan, and BXT do sell the same Tideace frames from Haideli?
They are indeed the main and only frame brands in China, everyone knows that 

To defend the OP, it is true that on Aliexpress I often fall on these two brands when browsing for frames, and they sell cheap.

[Dirt]

TL;DR: I'm not a shill.  I'm here to help.  I love you all.  Or, for the less literate, more mathematically inclined: me = friend

Hey, all! It looks like you're all enjoying this list, but maybe have a few questions, so I thought I would take some time to answer both barrels of  fan mail.

Our first questions comes from sclyde2, sclyde1's younger, less popular, more easily startled, half-brother:

Q: "Why have you done this to me?"
A: Well, sir, I like to think of this list as something that has been done for you, not to you. Any incursion into your apparently massive personal space has been inadvertent. The "why" is rather simple; someone went to the trouble of making a list of hardtail frames, and that post went and got itself an agent, a publicist, a line of collectable action figures, and eventually, stickied. I thought, perhaps foolishly, that a similar list of full suspension frames would be useful to people.

Q: "Are you a slut-filled sock puppet for the Taiwanese carbon mafia?"
A:  That's a big negative, buddy.  My nationality is the United States.  I don't get paid to post on the Internet, or for anything.  I live and work near the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Los Angeles, where I am a volunteer slash trespasser.  In my spare time I play bass in a spoon band. We're called Ain't Got No Tine for This. You may have heard some of our hits: (I wanna) Put My Soup in You, Slurp it Up, or All Innuendo Aside Let's Have Sex (in your mouth). When I'm not volunteering, trespassing,  or slappin' spoons, I make posts in online mountain biking forums.

Q: "While sifting through the incomprehensible mess of data from the emerging factory-to-consumer bicycle market you overlooked some, what I consider to be obvious, models.  Do you apologize?"
A: No, no apology intended, m'lord.  In fact, I had anticipated this very scenario and thusly diagrammed and constructed a series of action plans to address the dilemma.  The first 30 of these plans were all variations on a theme of farting into mostly empty peanut butter jars and then mailing them to dignitaries, statesmen, and Mayor McCheeses of online mountain biking communities, but in a movie-like moment of inspiration, the kind that spirits the protagonist from the first act to the second act on a wave of fist pumps, I decided I would just edit the original post to include any info I missed on the first pass.  It was beautiful in its simplicity, but left me wondering what I'm going to do with all these peanut butter jars.

Q: "Can we talk more about the beautiful and luxurious FM936, with its many available sizes and options if I provide an affiliate link and a reminder that if you use the promo code #SelfRighteousIndignance you'll receive a ten percent discount on your first purchase?"
A: Looks like the sock puppet is on the other hand, your lordship.  How does it smell?

Q:" I want there to be more companies selling carbon bike frames, and I want their names on your so-called list last week. Do you apologize? "
A: Again, no apology has been intended. The carbon frame listings on AliExpress.com are dominated by a few vendors who flood the database with hundreds if not thousands of duplicate listings for the same SKUs. Should they be ashamed of themselves, bed wetters that they are? Yes. Should they be given a good scolding, a nicotine stained finger wagged in their face, and sent to bed without supper? Yes. Should their listings be trimmed to more accurately reflect the products they offer and make the site more usable for consumers? Again, yes, but neither I nor my so-called list are responsible for making those things happen. Furthermore, how many companies are actually making carbon bike frames?  My hunch is that the number is around 10, possibly fewer .  It's possible that if the list doesn't die before it learns to walk it might learn more about the carbon bike market and include more vendors. It's still very young at the moment, but it's been smoking a lot more than you'd expect,  it's been spiking it's milk with rocket fuel, and yesterday it came home with a tattoo that says "Live fast! Die young! Kill kill kill!" and there's a picture of a dragon holding a schematic for a doomsday device.

Q(implied): "Do you have any idea who my dad is?  You think I won't get you banned permanently if you tick me off?  I've eaten better men than you before breakfast."
A1: I'll be honest with you, sclyde2, this Q&A has grown to be quite the wall of text, and I expect your wet-nurse stopped reading it to you pages ago, but I will go ahead and answer the question for my own amusement:
A2: That's exactly what my parents said after they found out I'd been stripped of my spelling bee crown due to doping accusations.  And I will tell you exactly what I told them: "Can't nobody tell me nothin'" which is actually just a quote from Lil Nas X's magnum opus Old Town Road, which I was listening to at that moment.  And I'm still listening to it, your highness.  I'll never stop.

I'm going to stop now, as I feel I've answered all of the questions I feel like answering for now.  Feel free to keep 'em coming, though.

I love you!

[GuitsBoy]

Despite the FS27 being marketed as a 120mm bike, it is effectively limited to 100mm travel since no 45mm stroke shock exists for the bike.  The shock mount provisions are 50mm wide, which will not fit a 54mm wide trunnion, not to mention the frame would need to be drilled for 10mm bolts.  Additionally, the trunnion body would interfere with the down tube.  Unfortunately that limits us to 165 length conventional shocks, of which 38mm stroke is the most youll find.

[carbonazza]

TL;DR[/b]: I'm not a shill.  I'm here to help.  I love you all.  Or, for the less literate, more mathematically inclined: me = friend

This forum was spammed this way or another many times, making us unduly suspicious.
I'm very sorry if I offended you... thanks for the list.

[GuitsBoy]

TL;DR: I'm not a shill.  I'm here to help.  I love you all.  Or, for the less literate, more mathematically inclined: me = friend

Hey, all! It looks like you're all enjoying this list, but maybe have a few questions, so I thought I would take some time to answer both barrels of  fan mail.

Our first questions comes from sclyde2, sclyde1's younger, less popular, more easily startled, half-brother:

Q: "Why have you done this to me?"
A: Well, sir, I like to think of this list as something that has been done for you, not to you. Any incursion into your apparently massive personal space has been inadvertent. The "why" is rather simple; someone went to the trouble of making a list of hardtail frames, and that post went and got itself an agent, a publicist, a line of collectable action figures, and eventually, stickied. I thought, perhaps foolishly, that a similar list of full suspension frames would be useful to people.

Q: "Are you a slut-filled sock puppet for the Taiwanese carbon mafia?"
A:  That's a big negative, buddy.  My nationality is the United States.  I don't get paid to post on the Internet, or for anything.  I live and work near the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Los Angeles, where I am a volunteer slash trespasser.  In my spare time I play bass in a spoon band. We're called Ain't Got No Tine for This. You may have heard some of our hits: (I wanna) Put My Soup in You, Slurp it Up, or All Innuendo Aside Let's Have Sex (in your mouth). When I'm not volunteering, trespassing,  or slappin' spoons, I make posts in online mountain biking forums.

Q: "While sifting through the incomprehensible mess of data from the emerging factory-to-consumer bicycle market you overlooked some, what I consider to be obvious, models.  Do you apologize?"
A: No, no apology intended, m'lord.  In fact, I had anticipated this very scenario and thusly diagrammed and constructed a series of action plans to address the dilemma.  The first 30 of these plans were all variations on a theme of farting into mostly empty peanut butter jars and then mailing them to dignitaries, statesmen, and Mayor McCheeses of online mountain biking communities, but in a movie-like moment of inspiration, the kind that spirits the protagonist from the first act to the second act on a wave of fist pumps, I decided I would just edit the original post to include any info I missed on the first pass.  It was beautiful in its simplicity, but left me wondering what I'm going to do with all these peanut butter jars.

Q: "Can we talk more about the beautiful and luxurious FM936, with its many available sizes and options if I provide an affiliate link and a reminder that if you use the promo code #SelfRighteousIndignance you'll receive a ten percent discount on your first purchase?"
A: Looks like the sock puppet is on the other hand, your lordship.  How does it smell?

Q:" I want there to be more companies selling carbon bike frames, and I want their names on your so-called list last week. Do you apologize? "
A: Again, no apology has been intended. The carbon frame listings on AliExpress.com are dominated by a few vendors who flood the database with hundreds if not thousands of duplicate listings for the same SKUs. Should they be ashamed of themselves, bed wetters that they are? Yes. Should they be given a good scolding, a nicotine stained finger wagged in their face, and sent to bed without supper? Yes. Should their listings be trimmed to more accurately reflect the products they offer and make the site more usable for consumers? Again, yes, but neither I nor my so-called list are responsible for making those things happen. Furthermore, how many companies are actually making carbon bike frames?  My hunch is that the number is around 10, possibly fewer .  It's possible that if the list doesn't die before it learns to walk it might learn more about the carbon bike market and include more vendors. It's still very young at the moment, but it's been smoking a lot more than you'd expect,  it's been spiking it's milk with rocket fuel, and yesterday it came home with a tattoo that says "Live fast! Die young! Kill kill kill!" and there's a picture of a dragon holding a schematic for a doomsday device.

Q(implied): "Do you have any idea who my dad is?  You think I won't get you banned permanently if you tick me off?  I've eaten better men than you before breakfast."
A1: I'll be honest with you, sclyde2, this Q&A has grown to be quite the wall of text, and I expect your wet-nurse stopped reading it to you pages ago, but I will go ahead and answer the question for my own amusement:
A2: That's exactly what my parents said after they found out I'd been stripped of my spelling bee crown due to doping accusations.  And I will tell you exactly what I told them: "Can't nobody tell me nothin'" which is actually just a quote from Lil Nas X's magnum opus Old Town Road, which I was listening to at that moment.  And I'm still listening to it, your highness.  I'll never stop.

I'm going to stop now, as I feel I've answered all of the questions I feel like answering for now.  Feel free to keep 'em coming, though.

I love you!

I find your post to be HIGHLY offensive and completely inappropriate for this, or any forum.

And I laughed my ass off.

[lRaphl]

I find your post to be HIGHLY offensive and completely inappropriate for this, or any forum.

And I laughed my ass off.

Inappropriate, maybe a bit. Funny, no doubt about it!

[emu26]

Dirt, I reckon if you put as much effort into your first post as you did your reply then you might have got a very different first response.

But good to see you have a sense of humour.

[Dirt]

Dirt, I reckon if you put as much effort into your first post as you did your reply then you might have got a very different first response.

UglyBirdFromAPrisonColony26, I reckon if you didn't look like a dingo with a prolapsed anus glued to its face you wouldn't have been asked to leave Bunnings.

Laffs aside, the first post took about a week of clicking through an endless pile of identical looking frames and cataloging unique entries.  It was not meant to be complete, just a starting point, much like primary school wasn't meant to be the capstone of your education. 

[emu26]

It was not meant to be complete, just a starting point, much like primary school wasn't meant to be the capstone of your education.

I know, but it was. Life is tough in the colonies

[mtbluvr68]

Nicely Done DIRT ,  don't listen to the rest of these guys most of whom were waiting on someone to do this for them....

[Dirt]

Nicely Done DIRT ,  don't listen to the rest of these guys most of whom were waiting on someone to do this for them....

Thanks, toots!  I'll leave the money on the nightstand.

[ChinerCaroliner]

good stuff 

btw the fs 831 which I have been unpatiently waiting to be available is being considered a 150 rear travel now. Or somewhere between 147-148... Or so they say...