400+ reach and 600+ stack

[Nickk2000]

Im looking for a bike thats about 61 cm, with the two units in the title thats fully integrated (other than front brake) rim brake. Anyone got any ideas? I went on miraclecycling and i found a 59 but i dont know the geo (cant find it)

Im wondering if through your guys browsing youve found something that is similar to those numbers. I can handle a TAD shorter but most seem to stop at 58cm ish. Let me know, thanks!

[svanimpe]

What about http://www.carbonda.com/road-frames/125.html ?

You can use it either fully integrated (cables through headset), or semi-integrated. If you want a 600+ stack, you should go for an endurance or gravel frame, and just use a longer stem for additional reach.

[Nickk2000]

Thanks! I do like that bike but i am looking for rim brake. It is a little bit small. I currently have the dengfu r12.

Can you even find a 58 with that kind of geometry even if its endurance oriented?

[svanimpe]

Rim brake endurance bikes are pretty much dead by now I think? I assume they're all on discs now, not for the braking power, but for the additional tyre clearance.

[benando]

https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-256-v-brake.html

Endurance bike. Workswell is a pretty well-regarded brand around here. Almost fully integrated and rim brake, 394 reach 611 stack