Author Topic: Tavelo Aero Frame  (Read 5082 times)

Nomuetze

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2024, 05:53:46 AM »
A bit much of negativity here…blaming companies to make money especially when considering the „mark up” of western brands. Which most likely have the same origin in the Eastern.
Anyways…from my perspective here in Europe…
PP prices are all incl. … so no more charges for shipment and taxes.
And here, US brands are also insanely overpriced e.g. Spec. and SRAM…so

Besides that I had a very positive experience dealing with PP.

And the Tavelo Attack … or Adept frame is sold here under western branding for 9000$ Dura Ace equi.

the chinacycling YT about Shanghai bike show and the people behind the brands was very interesting regarding their goals and visions.
Cheers

Ludo

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2024, 06:43:40 AM »
I think PP offers value mainly on the QC aspect and communication after that it’s up to each individual to decide what is the value of service and if it aligns with PP mark up. The problem is that in a depressed used market or even brand new with 50% off being the rage, the value proposition of chiner built is a lot harder to justify especially once considering resale value.

Serge_K

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2024, 02:26:40 AM »
I think PP offers value mainly on the QC aspect and communication after that it’s up to each individual to decide what is the value of service and if it aligns with PP mark up. The problem is that in a depressed used market or even brand new with 50% off being the rage, the value proposition of chiner built is a lot harder to justify especially once considering resale value.

QC: Panda podium inspects themselves every item they sell? There's no way, right?

Ludo

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2024, 05:44:47 AM »
The frames, that’s what I gathered from one of his video…

Serge_K

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2024, 06:08:19 AM »
The frames, that’s what I gathered from one of his video…

It might be true but I highly doubt it for various reasons. It it doesn't clearly say on the website you can safely assume that they don't.

Takiyaki

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2024, 06:30:16 AM »
A bit much of negativity here…blaming companies to make money especially when considering the „mark up” of western brands. Which most likely have the same origin in the Eastern.
Anyways…from my perspective here in Europe…
PP prices are all incl. … so no more charges for shipment and taxes.
And here, US brands are also insanely overpriced e.g. Spec. and SRAM…so

Besides that I had a very positive experience dealing with PP.

And the Tavelo Attack … or Adept frame is sold here under western branding for 9000$ Dura Ace equi.

the chinacycling YT about Shanghai bike show and the people behind the brands was very interesting regarding their goals and visions.
Cheers
I don't think people are being overly negative, just objectively questioning the value of these frames.

For example I just ordered a TanTan frame set. For $800 or whatever with custom paint etc. I'm OK with being pretty much on my own for support and losing damn near all the frame's value on resale. Western brands bikes are already hurting value wise- how much do you think a $2000+ lesser known Chinese brand frame will go for on the used market? It's kind of a false economy IMO

Nomuetze

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2024, 07:37:19 AM »
Maybe reselling is a point….however not for me…and besides that I would never buy a used carbon frame.
It‘s just nearly impossible so judge, what „went“ into it…
But hey…it’s all about everybody’s own preferences….
I just find it awkward to blame Chinese companies for evolving into kind of their own boutique styles and brandings.
With all it’s downsides…
…maybe we see a Tour Team sponsored by a Chinese bike company in some 3-5 years…at least that’s what their visions seem to be

bremerradkurier

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2024, 10:28:45 AM »
QC: Panda podium inspects themselves every item they sell? There's no way, right?

Maybe "binning" occurs where Western re-branders like PP, Planet X, Vitus, Ribble, Ritte, probably Enve, et al get the frames on the better side of the QC bell curve?

Ludo

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2024, 11:06:59 AM »
It might be true but I highly doubt it for various reasons. It it doesn't clearly say on the website you can safely assume that they don't.
It was very clearly stated last week in one of the video, for the specific brand he was talking at the time it had “less rejection during our QC process than others”
Not saying it’s true, just putting context to me statement

Takiyaki

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2024, 01:14:45 PM »
Maybe reselling is a point….however not for me…and besides that I would never buy a used carbon frame.
It‘s just nearly impossible so judge, what „went“ into it…
But hey…it’s all about everybody’s own preferences….
I just find it awkward to blame Chinese companies for evolving into kind of their own boutique styles and brandings.
With all it’s downsides…
…maybe we see a Tour Team sponsored by a Chinese bike company in some 3-5 years…at least that’s what their visions seem to be
I mean, Giant went from a kind of no name OEM to a top road bike brand by doing 2 things. 1 getting bikes in the Tour, and 2 getting into brick and mortar stores for better sales and service support. That's pretty much all these brands have to do to justify what they are charging.

Nomuetze

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #70 on: Today at 01:52:07 AM »
Giant was founded 1972, started selling brand Giant bikes 1981…

Sakizashi

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #71 on: Today at 10:45:12 AM »
Maybe "binning" occurs where Western re-branders like PP, Planet X, Vitus, Ribble, Ritte, probably Enve, et al get the frames on the better side of the QC bell curve?

Sorry what? Panda Podium is just a retailer and the current Ritte and Enve are bike brands with unique products. I don't think anything is being binned differently between Tavelo products let alone between open molds and Ritte or Enve bikes.

Has anyone even confirmed that this Tavelo is an open mold that you can buy through a different brand like the Attack was?

While I could believe binning is done during initial production runs to get new bikes out for race teams, this doesnt make sense as a general practice because it assumes that the QC would be good enough to sort the frames at a per frame level and that the factories would be willing to incur that cost on an ongoing basis.

On the other hand, I think its more surprising that XDS and Pardus have not tried to go more international given their involvement in the chinese olympic team efforts. That said, if a company goes big into road racing, I would bet on Farsports.