Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)

[zett]

The real question is: is this Z scale a real bike industry thing or did Lightcarbon more or less invent it as a marketing tool?

[KaiDeus]

I don't know, if it started as marketing, as the z rating very much seems to originate in oem manufacturing.
Whether this will be lightcarbons version of a lab71 remains to be seen, although z3 does not really has a performance claim behind it, just a "you don't get a shit product" claim.

[Joselu]

Well, this one is mine. Looking forward to it being shipped. Let’s see what happens after the cheese incident...

[repoman]

Does anyone know the relationship between Lightcarbon and TanTan? They sell some of the same exact frames, yet both pose as manufacturers.

[dinorello]

The real question is: is this Z scale a real bike industry thing or did Lightcarbon more or less invent it as a marketing tool?

I believe it's marketing and the equivalent to a coupon code so influencers can get paid

[Icyseanfitz]

Looking at maybe starting a build with this frame, have many gotten it yet? What is the "cheese" incident

[mheusler]

Looking at maybe starting a build with this frame, have many gotten it yet? What is the "cheese" incident

it refers to the frame tiagosantos_ss received (here's his post including two pictures https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4309.msg65396.html#msg65396), and the quality issues. It had a couple of voids in the upper seat tube area. There was some back and forth with Lightcarbon but they ultimately agreed to send out a new frame to tiagosantos_ss.

I have put my order in a couple of weeks ago and i'm looking forward to receiving the frame early November. I hope, of course, that my frame will not show those kind, or any kind really, of QC issues.

[Serge_K]

it refers to the frame tiagosantos_ss received (here's his post including two pictures https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4309.msg65396.html#msg65396), and the quality issues. It had a couple of voids in the upper seat tube area. There was some back and forth with Lightcarbon but they ultimately agreed to send out a new frame to tiagosantos_ss.

I have put my order in a couple of weeks ago and i'm looking forward to receiving the frame early November. I hope, of course, that my frame will not show those kind, or any kind really, of QC issues.

"a couple". You're kind, i can count 7 on the 1st photo. And riding unbranded carbon things implies trust. If you see that, what is there to say the rest of the frame isn't like that?
you're quite brave ordering one. FYI, you can buy USB endoscopes for super cheap on alix, in your shoes, i'd 100% get one and make a conscious effort to inspect all tubes of the frame i receive, because composites manufacturing isnt trivial, especially now that we all want light frames again. If your layers aren't compacted properly (should be much less of a problem now that EPS / latex moulding is very widely used), or if you're straight up missing material in key areas, then bad things can happen.
Canyon is notorious for having seat tubes that crack, for example, so the structural integrity of a frame is not a given.

[mheusler]

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you're quite brake ordering one. FYI, you can buy USB endoscopes for super cheap on alix, in your shoes, i'd 100% get one and make a conscious effort to inspect all tubes of the frame i receive, because composites manufacturing isnt trivial, especially now that we all want light frames again. If your layers aren't compacted properly (should be much less of a problem now that EPS / latex moulding is very widely used), or if you're straight up missing material in key areas, then bad things can happen.
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not to worry, i have ordered an endoscope already and intend to thoroughly check the frame once i have it in my hands. I will share here if i find any issues.

But i don't think it's brave of me to order one - the risk, at least in my view, is fairly small. And that, for me, is okay, especially given the prices we're discussing.
And if there's any issues, i have all winter to get this sorted with LC ...

[Sgt.Hole]

not to worry, i have ordered an endoscope already and intend to thoroughly check the frame once i have it in my hands. I will share here if i find any issues.

But i don't think it's brave of me to order one - the risk, at least in my view, is fairly small. And that, for me, is okay, especially given the prices we're discussing.
And if there's any issues, i have all winter to get this sorted with LC ...

I’m on same boat and forced to bought an endoscope because of these issues.
It's really sad that customer have to make a QC, but like already mentioned, I also have a whole winter to try to get things right.

[Takiyaki]

Seems like it would be easier to have the manufacturer send a video with their own boroscope. Then you dont have to buy a camera or go through the hassle of swapping frames. And it will force them to step up their QC

Maybe ignorant on my part but knock on wood I havent heard of any issues with structural integrity on Chinese frames recently. I think these companies get that injuring/maiming/killing their customer base is prob not good for business. And they are not new to the game either. Maybe Im too optimistic

[ausmtb8989]

Seems like it would be easier to have the manufacturer send a video with their own boroscope. Then you dont have to buy a camera or go through the hassle of swapping frames. And it will force them to step up their QC

Maybe ignorant on my part but knock on wood I havent heard of any issues with structural integrity on Chinese frames recently. I think these companies get that injuring/maiming/killing their customer base is prob not good for business. And they are not new to the game either. Maybe Im too optimistic

That's unrealistic given the amount of frames made, the time and labor effort required.  Best chances are to get your own, inspect and get a replacement if problems arise.