Author Topic: the new Van Rysel RCR-F  (Read 863 times)

Serge_K

the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« on: March 28, 2025, 04:10:11 PM »
The new Van Rysel RCR-F just dropped on youtube. Very exciting. Will be curious to hear how it compares with the Cervelo S5 & the likes in a wind tunnel. Looks super aero, deep tubes everywhere, especially the front end (deep fork, deep & narrow head tube). It makes the canyon aeroad look dated (which it is, as this one doesn't use the updated UCI rules on tube shapes).

What choices do we have in chinese frames, when it comes to aero frames? Anything that looks like the Van Rysel RCR-F?

I love my 268 from Long Teng, which looks a lot like the old ostro.
lots of people riding fake Ostros, and they do look awesome, and the ostro tested fast in the wind tunnel.

What else?


Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Rapac

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2025, 04:12:29 PM »
Love the RCR F !

I would really like to see that Tantan X67 as a complete bike before ordering one. Still waiting fro photos.

Tasthal

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2025, 04:37:18 PM »
Very similar to the speeder SC-R49D in my eyes, apart from the deep head tube. Shame that Decathlon is not selling it in the TDF24 Marble paint scheme.

https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R49D-_p399.html

Lotnik

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2025, 04:12:27 AM »
I think for now there is quick pro er:one in that category. Big Rock Aero has also deep front end. TanTan x65 has massive tubes shape all around.

toxin

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2025, 08:06:36 AM »
The design is solid, obviously far better than anything you'll find in china, but the seatpoat angle sucks, way too relaxed and then a setback seatpost on top of that. Archaic. Also, where I'm at it's more expensive than a Foil

Dareios

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2025, 09:29:06 AM »
From what I've seen in the Tour magazine online review (without wind tunnel test) it's really stiff, with a harsh rear end and very little flex on the seatpost.

Sander2177

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2025, 04:02:50 PM »
The crazy thing is the price!!
Was a consideration as I am in planning to do a build and there is no frame only option  :( :(
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

toxin

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2025, 05:04:19 PM »
Yep, they're bo longer in "affordable" territory. It's technically possible for a decathlon store to order all the frameset parts to the store as "spare parts". Question is simply if the particular store would be willing to.

Serge_K

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #8 on: Today at 12:33:34 AM »
Yep, they're bo longer in "affordable" territory.

I'm French, so I grew up with Decathlon. I haven't looked at it closely, but my general understanding is 2 fold.
1. the bikes have been so popular they've been flying off the shelves, which an economist would argue means the price was too low (equilibrium pricing theory).
2. the bike is ridden by a pro team, and the team genuinely aims to perform at the highest level, so you'd expect the frame to be able to support this ambition, so they probably do spend a lot on materials and R&D. The French are often good at actual work, and even innovation, but really bad at marketing it. For example, recent interviews point to the attention they paid to frame stiffness during a sprint. Given the insane speeds at which sprints are won, and that there are countless stages where a sprint is won by less than a bike length, as sprinter will want a bike that will be very fast, and very stiff. This new frame solves for that.

So, it annoys me a lot that their bikes are now so expensive, and I would bet that this also annoys a lot of Decathlon employees & their friends, but it's also understandable. The competition is simply over pricing stuff across the board.

Given how tight a ship Decathlon has been running for decades, i'd bet their R&D costs are a fraction of the likes of Specialized, so I would bet that they could sell the frames at a much, much lower price point. But then, point #1, where the frames would just sell out all the time, and i would even expect a grey market with people selling frames they just bought in the secondary at a premium, precisely in an effort to find an equilibrium price. Because that's exactly what i'd do. If the prices were a no brainer, I'd buy frames and sell them to people abroad.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Sebastian

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #9 on: Today at 02:30:51 AM »
Sure, I guess Decathlon are now just harvesting the fruits of their labor. But as far as I'm concerned, there's now nothing distinguishing them anymore from the likes of Specialized and Trek. It's just another 10k bike now. Arguably from a less "desirable" brand. Not that I care. But even with all the pro peloton credibility they got now, I don't think they're quite up there with the big boys from a brand image point of view. What set them apart were interesting and competitive bikes at a good price point. Those are still there. I just don't quite see the point of a Van Rysel at the SWORKS price point. But maybe there are people willing to buy this.

SillyMochi

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #10 on: Today at 05:34:17 AM »
I mean this is not a bike for the "budget conscious rider" but for the world tour pros. Can't walk into a Mercedes dealership ask for a Mercedes-AMG GT Coupé and expect an A-Class price tag.

For what it is, it is still priced below what other brands ask. The aforementioned S-Works comes out at 14.500€ whereas this is 9.500€ - that's a whopping 50% added on top. The Trek starts at 13.500€. The only one that is in the same price region is Canyon. And I am not sure you can actually compare the Aeroad to the RCR-F. Even the other two from Trek and Specialized framesets look less "beefy" as in less aero - which is supposed to be the main spiel of this thing.

So, would I buy this? No, most definitely not. But then again I am far from a world tour pro. Do I find this thing interesting and would love to ride it for a test? Well, heck yeah!

But we are digressing: the actual question was, is there anything like it on the Chinese frameset market. I haven't seen anything, and I would be surprised to see something comparable within a year. I like to be surprised though!
Slow on the climb. And everywhere else.

Da11as

Re: the new Van Rysel RCR-F
« Reply #11 on: Today at 09:44:42 AM »
I mean this is not a bike for the "budget conscious rider" but for the world tour pros. Can't walk into a Mercedes dealership ask for a Mercedes-AMG GT Coupé and expect an A-Class price tag.

For what it is, it is still priced below what other brands ask. The aforementioned S-Works comes out at 14.500€ whereas this is 9.500€ - that's a whopping 50% added on top. The Trek starts at 13.500€. The only one that is in the same price region is Canyon. And I am not sure you can actually compare the Aeroad to the RCR-F. Even the other two from Trek and Specialized framesets look less "beefy" as in less aero - which is supposed to be the main spiel of this thing.

So, would I buy this? No, most definitely not. But then again I am far from a world tour pro. Do I find this thing interesting and would love to ride it for a test? Well, heck yeah!

But we are digressing: the actual question was, is there anything like it on the Chinese frameset market. I haven't seen anything, and I would be surprised to see something comparable within a year. I like to be surprised though!
If the question is in aero only then there are plenty of ridiculously shaped frames from China which are usually stupidly stiff, thus unridable beyond very good roads.