What's the people's opinion of chinese electronic groupsets?

[biceryder]

I paid 700USD for Di2 on Aliexpress.  Delivered to the US in 10 days. 

[Serge_K]

I paid 700USD for Di2 on Aliexpress.  Delivered to the US in 10 days.

Including what exactly? A few weeks ago, i could only find 105 di2 for 1k eur in Europe, with components i wouldnt want to run (wrong crank arm length, heavy cassette, wrong gearing (cassette size & chainring size).
700 USD is 650 odd eur. It's not a price available in EU, afaik. That'd be killer. I'd probably get shimano and sell the brand new components i dont want.

[biceryder]

Serge, I misspoke, I paid 780.00 USD shipped.  That is without crank, cassette, chain, rotors.  Everything came bubble wrapped, no Shimano boxes.  All small parts included and the brakes and hydro lines were pre-filled.

Still, I think its a fair comparison to chinese groupsets, because neither WT or Ltwoo offer cranks or consumables.  I’ve owned both, and think they are decent sub 500.00 groups

[rasch]

Including what exactly? A few weeks ago, i could only find 105 di2 for 1k eur in Europe, with components i wouldnt want to run (wrong crank arm length, heavy cassette, wrong gearing (cassette size & chainring size).
700 USD is 650 odd eur. It's not a price available in EU, afaik. That'd be killer. I'd probably get shimano and sell the brand new components i dont want.

You have it in aliexpress for 730... U will probably need to pay customs though hahaha

[Tijoe]

I suckered myself into going down the evil path of Wheetop EDS. (Very early OX adopter)   I recently ordered another EDS OX, removable battery version for a total of $205 USD.  This will be the 5 set I have purchased.   During the ongoing Aliexpress Anniversary sale I ordered the latest generation EDS TX, with the 8100 calipers, carbon levers, and carbon cage for $426 USD.  ($100 less than I paid for the older version EDS TX I purchased last year and run on my gravel bike.)   

-  I have posted all the problems I have encountered in other threads.   Overall I have been very satisfied with Wheeltop products. 

- Eventually, when US customs figures out how to get rid of the $800 De Minimis exemption, and charge full tariffs on everything brought into the US, I believe that prices will become cost prohibitive, and I will stop making as many purchased from China.   

[jonathanf2]

For my personal fitness/DIY bike use, I'd still get LTwoo and/or possibly Wheeltop especially since prices are dropping. Parts are easy to come by now via multiple sellers and I can run a mix of different cassettes. I have LTwoo eR9 running on two bikes with 11 and 12 speed and I have eGR running 11 speed as well. I can just pull out any cassette from the parts bin and it's good to go. I want my bikes as flexible as possible. At least with my LTwoo groupsets I have most the bugs and quirks figured out.

If I were a bike tourer/camper, I'd stay mechanical for serviceability or if I was a hardcore racer, I'd stick with Di2 or AXS for best performance. So it really depends on your usage.

[SAM2013]

I'd originally assumed that I'd be going 105 Di2 for my next build, but honestly availability seems really poor in Europe at present. And good luck getting your hands on any Sram AXS. Ultegra is too pricy for me, so... back I come to the L-TWOO Erx which is looking increasingly tempting.

Being able to run it 11 or 12 speeds also allows me to use a lot of parts from my spares box that would otherwise be redundant and I can step up to 12 speed at some point in the future when things wear out.

[coffeebreak]

Serge, I misspoke, I paid 780.00 USD shipped.  That is without crank, cassette, chain, rotors.  Everything came bubble wrapped, no Shimano boxes.  All small parts included and the brakes and hydro lines were pre-filled.

Still, I think its a fair comparison to chinese groupsets, because neither WT or Ltwoo offer cranks or consumables.  I’ve owned both, and think they are decent sub 500.00 groups

With current coupons it can be had at $670 shipped + taxed to the USA, or may be less depending on the tax situation. Worth paying that extra over WT or LTW

[biceryder]

That sounds right.  When I say “780.00” thats what I paid with shipping and taxes.

[amacal1]

Serge, I misspoke, I paid 780.00 USD shipped.  That is without crank, cassette, chain, rotors.  Everything came bubble wrapped, no Shimano boxes.  All small parts included and the brakes and hydro lines were pre-filled.

This is the exact package I just ordered from Ltwoo, an Ltwoo eR9, RD, FD, battery pack w/ all cables (no cells, but those are cheap in Ltwoo world), Shifters, brake calipers w/ hoses and all hardware (no rotors), no cassette, no crank, no chainring. No fancy package, all items bubblewrapped. My total was $305 including shipping and tax.

So, less than half of what Shimano 105 costs. But, the savings continue since I can pair it with any wheelset and cassette with a little more confidence.

[Avalius]

 Ltwoo ER9, i'd say 350€ sometimes even less and have two groups that just work.

[biceryder]

This is the exact package I just ordered from Ltwoo, an Ltwoo eR9, RD, FD, battery pack w/ all cables (no cells, but those are cheap in Ltwoo world), Shifters, brake calipers w/ hoses and all hardware (no rotors), no cassette, no crank, no chainring. No fancy package, all items bubblewrapped. My total was $305 including shipping and tax.

So, less than half of what Shimano 105 costs. But, the savings continue since I can pair it with any wheelset and cassette with a little more confidence.

That’s totally worth it at that price. I paid just under 400USD for ER9 back in JAN.

I have ran:

SRAM Force (previous gen)
Ultegra and DA 11spd Di2
Wheeltop EDS TX (rim brake)
Ltwoo ER9
105 Di2

All of these on different bikes.  SRAM is the groupset I have enjoyed the least.  Di2 has been the most reliable and trouble free.  Wheeltop is slow and finicky to set up but it works.  Also love going from 11-12spd on the same frame.

ER9 was the easiest and fastest groupset swap I ever did.  Worked almost identical to my Ultegra 8070 series Di2.  I did not put enough miles on it to assess its reliablility.  Its up for consideration for any future builds.

I mostly chose Shimano because I thought price was decent and it does what I need it to do.