Yoeleo Altera G21

[jfcb]

I noticed Yoeleo updated their G21 gravel frame and called it now Altera G21.
https://www.yoeleobike.com/collections/gravel-frame/products/altera-g21-gravel-frameset
Though the pricing is on the higher side (as from 1,420USD), it has a lot of features I notice people on this forum are looking for.

Specs:

• 53mm tyre clearance
• UDH compatible
• T47 Bottom bracket
• top tube and down tube storage cages
• options to have a fork with or w/o mounts

I'm curious to hear people's experience of the old G21 or in the near future of this new version.
Knowing Yoeleo, I assume they will also send out some frames to some influencers soon. @Patliean1: Do they still have your address?

[Uberflo]

From my perspective you get the same with the GR201 frameset but for less like 500? USD.

[Rolle2k]

Strange combination of very low stack and slack head tube angle. And HT/ST angle all over the place when changing between sizes.
Why does nobody make 74/71.5 with a little more stack, large tire clearance, udh and BSA or T47 bottom bracket?

[patliean1]

I got one of these currently in transit. The frame should arrive mid next week.

Having owned the previous G21 gravel frame from Yoeleo, I can say it is freaking rock solid. I found the overall ride to be a tad more refined than my GR201. But perhaps it's just placebo. The geometry worked great for me too.

[gloscherrybomb]

It's a great frame appropriately priced for Yoeleo's standing in the market.

[Serge_K]

I understand that influencers want to eat, but this is extremely expensive for what it is.

[gloscherrybomb]

And what 'is' it?

[jfcb]

And what 'is' it?

The Velobuild gravel bike costs around $500—roughly a third of the price of comparable frames that likely use the same T800 carbon and offer similar build quality. Sure, you might get a few extra features with higher-end options, like downtube protection, storage mounts, or a flashier paint job. But the same argument applies to most Western brands.

In the end, it all comes down to market positioning. A higher price point creates a perception of a more premium product, and that’s exactly what some customers are looking for.  They  aren’t willing to pay Western brand prices but still want something more distinctive than the cheapest generic frames from Asia.

This all said , my intention of this topic is to understand how well the frame rides and how well the build quality is rather than discuss the pricing.

[Serge_K]

If money and value weren't relevant, this forum wouldn't exist and we'd be riding pinarellos and sworks frames to go to work.
By far the most defining feature of yoeleo as a brand today is how overpriced it is. I'd argue it's as cringe as it gets in fact, because you're paying 2 or 3x more than alternatives, all the while signaling you either couldn't afford a western brand, or drank the influencer Kool aid.
As a rule of thumb, for value, the moment there's an influencer kick back program, the value is gone.
So I'm sure it rides fine, I don't see why it wouldn't. It's just grossly overpriced for what it is.

[Nomuetze]

A lot educated guesses around I won’t comment.
It’s becoming a bit dogmatic kind of forum where some define what is value and what not…

So back to topic
I got the Altera frameset here with seatpost/handlebar for around 1400,-
Packaging is v.good…quite the new standard.
Instructions are really thorough and useful, never saw kind of such details with western brands…no chinglish!
So is the box with all these small parts.
T47 interface is faced and no paint overlap
Painting is amazing…
So far so good…
Size 58 with internal boxes and rear axle and all those screws around 1350g

Communication with Yoeleo was Fast and responsive.

Looking forward to buil it up
Cheers

[Serge_K]

A lot educated guesses around I won’t comment.
It’s becoming a bit dogmatic kind of forum where some define what is value and what not…

value
"An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return."

dogma
"A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion.
A principle or statement of ideas, or a group of such principles or statements, especially when considered to be authoritative or accepted uncritically."


1 such frame w bars & shipping costs $1600. Let's remove 150 for shipping, for simplicity. 1450. The only notable feature in this bike is the storage option. The 2nd storage option costs another 80$, btw. it's not light, it doesnt use any fancy fibers, it's not wind tunnel tested, tyre clerance is simply 50C like everybody else, it doesn't even communicate on manufacturing technique (could be bladder moulded for all i know).
For this, you can get:
3.4x Velobuild 2025 gravel frame
2.4x Long teng 301D (has the same storage option)
~2x Speeder frames, except the Speeder will probably much higher quality.
1 point something Peter Gran Turismo frames, except that frame will be using much, much higher grade materials, full monocoque construction.
~2 Peter grevil clones
All of the above but the Yeoleo allow for custom painting.
And so on.

So, no, it's not dogmatic. When you can get at least 2 of the same thing for the same money, it's not good value. You may not agree, but that doesn't make me a priest, other than maybe a math / common sense evangelist.
And almost the entire point of this forum is precisely to do educated guesses.

[patliean1]

Using influencers is cheaper and more cost effective than traditional marketing outlets. Especially for smaller brands.

I'm grateful to have partnered with almost every single beloved and budget-minded brand in this forum at some point. From VeloBuild to TanTan, Light Carbon, Carbon Speed. Heck even Magene. Clearly these brands see value in this arrangement.

We denounce influencers and YouTubers when they market products we personally don't find value in. Makes sense. No harm no foul. When someone like myself has referred now about 30-40 customers to Carbon Speed for wheels purchases, no one takes issue with me being transparent about receiving "free" wheels from Peter in exchange. Because we value his products. But then who exactly are eating the costs of those so-called free wheels?

I'm going to keep repeating these talking points:

1. We each our entitled to our own subjective opinions. How we choose to spend our money does not make us more or less virtuous than the next person.

2. Brand cache is a real thing. Completely irrespective of value. This past weekend one of the more highly regarded racers on my club asked for my advice on buying a 2nd set of wheels for race day. He doesn't have time to waste on internet forums for hours each day like myself. So you can imagine me trying to recommend Carbon Speed fell on deaf ears. In the end he's going to purchase a set of wheels from, ironically, Yoeleo. He said because Yoeleo has been proven here in Chicago among other race clubs. And he loves the price point. Who am I tell him how to spend his money?

[Nkearb]

We denounce influencers and YouTubers when they market products we personally don't find value in. Makes sense. No harm no foul. When someone like myself has referred now about 30-40 customers to Carbon Speed for wheels purchases, no one takes issue with me being transparent about receiving "free" wheels from Peter in exchange. Because we value his products. But then who exactly are eating the costs of those so-called free wheels?

The brands prey on people who mistakenly believe that these influencers are providing an unbiased review. Sure you can buy ads on Facebook to tell the world your $7k titanium frame has magical properties, but for less money you can get an influencers to say it for you

[patliean1]

The brands prey on people who mistakenly believe that these influencers are providing an unbiased review. Sure you can buy ads on Facebook to tell the world your $7k titanium frame has magical properties, but for less money you can get an influencers to say it for you

It's similar to Carbon Speed / Velobuild / TanTan. Three value leading brands in this space. I'm sure these brands are probably gaining satisfactory marketshare organically simply from free customer word of mouth. Yet here I am preying on people with my influencing.

Does someone like Peter from Carbon Speed need my influencing and allegedly bias review to sell his products? Highly unlikely. But is a net return of even 15 new customers in exchange for a set of wheels a shrewd marketing risk? You can ask him yourself.

We have to call it both ways. If we discredit brands using influencers to sell $7,000 titanium frames then we need to keep the same energy for brands using the same tactics for $800 frames/wheels. Because I get just as many accusations of being an communist paid shill for promoting $800 Chinese frames as I do featuring western brands on my channel. Both extreme sides of the price spectrum have insufferable loyalists. That's life in general.

I'll end my take on this unfortunate topic divergence by saying much of my success has always been from the support of this forum. Would be great to see more folks in here create helpful media content to aid in people's purchasing decisions. Yoeleo has come a long way in the past 3 years. Quality and customer service has improved. I've called them out on my channel multiple times. Who knew influencing could be used responsibly?

[Nomuetze]

That’s it what makes me tired of all those un(social) media discussion sites.

Someone starts a thread on topic X….soon after “evangelics of common sense” chime in and
play the same old song again and again…

It’s all ok, velobuild, Tantan or whatsoever…but that was not the question here.
I did also have a look at all those other brands, but I did not find what fit me…design, geometry, gimmicks…etc

And yes, I find it really helpful to scroll through these YT influ. reviews….why not! Cheers Patty!