Author Topic: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice  (Read 631 times)

ptr1337

Hey everyone,

I’m 31, 166 cm tall, and based in NRW, Germany (flat terrain). I’m planning to do my first 70.3 in 2026. Last year I ran my first half marathon in under 1:23.

Earlier this year I bought a 2022 Giant Propel (size S) for around €3,000 (Ultegra 12-speed, Leeze CC 58/78). I like the bike overall, but the frame might be slightly too big, and the cockpit doesn’t allow for proper TT extensions – so I’ve been thinking about a more focused setup.

I’m considering selling the Propel and building two bikes from scratch:

  • ELVES Amanyar 1.0 (size 45)
  • ELVES Falath EVO+ (size 46)

To keep costs under control, I’m planning:

  • 1×12 setups on both bikes: SRAM Rival/Force AXS, but I’m open to more affordable cranksets/chainrings as long as they’re compatible
  • One wheelset + ASSIOMA PRO RS-2 powermeter to swap between builds

I’m still pretty new to DIY builds and would love some advice:

  • What do you think about my overall plan with the two frames?
  • Suggestions for budget-friendly 1×12 TT setups?
  • Any threads, build logs, or guides you’d recommend for someone diving into DIY builds and smart component choices?

Where do you search for used frames/components? I know Buycycle and eBay (+Kleinanzeigen), but maybe there are better forums or sites I haven’t found yet?

Thanks in advance!
Peter



Da11as

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2025, 06:09:26 AM »
I would sell previous gen propel and buy a newer iteration in proper size instead as it is better in all regards. Regarding the build option for triathlon, I would consider saving money and buying older Trinity rim brake bike (complete bike or frameset). You can easily fit 28 mm tires and wide rim, save a bunch of money and it will be faster. You will/have to spend a lot of time optimising for a proper TT position and Trinity has superior aftermarket options to customize you cockpit. Regardless, if you have little clue what frame dimensions you need, I highly advise you to get a bike fit from a reputable fitter before getting any new frame. This is especially important for TT bike, as people are very often get their frame size wrong.

Everything written above is feasible unless you want disc brakes on TT bike VERY BADLY. Then yeah, go for separate disc frame.

In case of upgrading from the existing groupset, 1x12 FrankenAXS is the way to go:
- Sram AXS RD
- Pass Quest chainring
- YBN SLA chain
- Sram blips
- Leap components blip cradles
Is a budget-friendly option that performs very well and doesn't have problems of AXS transmission.

For a powermeter, better get a pair of P505/P515, will be cheaper. Get a spider option only, because you are a short rider, it might be you need very short cranks, (like 160 mm road, 150 mm TT) but be mindful what cranks are available for you and what are the mounting interfaces available for such short cranks. Don't do Dub in BB86, please.

ptr1337

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2025, 06:41:24 AM »

Thanks a lot for your detailed input!

I had actually already looked at the P515 as a powermeter option – my main hesitation is just that if I decide to build two bikes in parallel, I'd be saving a fair bit by using pedal-based PMs I can swap between bikes. One bike will likely stay on the trainer most of the time anyway, so I wouldn’t need a second PM just for that.

From your message, I’m interpreting that you’re not a fan of the frames I mentioned – or is it more that you simply have no experience with them? I’d be interested to know if there’s a specific reason you’d avoid them.

I recently came across the ELVES Falath EXP Aero, which already comes with integrated extensions – could be a decent budget-friendly setup to get started, without diving in too deep all at once.

Appreciate your feedback – really helpful as I figure this all out!

RickyM

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2025, 01:12:04 PM »
Hi there!
This are my twoo cents

Road bikes even with aerobars will never get you in the same position as a tt frame.

When I started I used a road frame with aerobars and thought that was going fast but the minute I change to a tt bike, I would go 2-3km/h faster at the same power.

The problem is that it is as not as comfortable and a TT frame doesn´t invite you to go on a easy 4 hours sunday morning ride, as a road bike will do.

For the components, this is what I bought, and fits perfect on my frame.
This is the full list of what I bougth to build my bike:

Wheels: Velobuild Wave 60-25 U$490
BB: Kactus Ceramic SKF U$73
Crankset: Rockbross carbon U$190
Powermeter: Xcadey spider  U$330
Chainring: PassQuest aero 52T U$55
Rear D: SRAM RED axs U$350
Cassette: SRAM RED 10-28 U$225
Brakes: TRP HD T-910 U$300
Chain: SRAM RED axs 12s U$60
Shifters: SRAM blips x4 U$200
Disc Rotors: ENLEE 140mm U$45
Tires (for training): Pirelli Pzero 26 U$110

Hope that helps

SirBikealot

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2025, 03:38:23 PM »
Thanks a lot for your detailed input!

I had actually already looked at the P515 as a powermeter option – my main hesitation is just that if I decide to build two bikes in parallel, I'd be saving a fair bit by using pedal-based PMs I can swap between bikes. One bike will likely stay on the trainer most of the time anyway, so I wouldn’t need a second PM just for that.

do you really save some money?
2x PES right now (without discount and w/o chainrings) 574€ + 2x Shimano PD-R550 or Look for around 125€ at bike24, total. 699€
Favero Pro RS-2 689€ and still in the need of two cranksets

ejump0

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2025, 08:22:05 PM »
in general, roadbike frame geo is different to tri frame for seattube angle, toptube lenght n reach.
however there are some exception. frames like new scott foil (ttx38) is as close as it gets to a tri geo as its close to old gen scott plasma 5

https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/scott-plasma-5-2015/
https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/scott-foil-rc-ultimate-bike-2024/

i have both tt912 n ttx38 in similar ride position (but i havent fully convert the ttx38 cockpit to tri), tho i like the tt912 for pure staight line speed due to its chonky tubes for sail effects

Da11as

Re: ELVES Amanyar & Falath EVO+ – Dual Build Plans, Looking for Advice
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2025, 09:17:25 AM »
Thanks a lot for your detailed input!

I had actually already looked at the P515 as a powermeter option – my main hesitation is just that if I decide to build two bikes in parallel, I'd be saving a fair bit by using pedal-based PMs I can swap between bikes. One bike will likely stay on the trainer most of the time anyway, so I wouldn’t need a second PM just for that.

From your message, I’m interpreting that you’re not a fan of the frames I mentioned – or is it more that you simply have no experience with them? I’d be interested to know if there’s a specific reason you’d avoid them.

I recently came across the ELVES Falath EXP Aero, which already comes with integrated extensions – could be a decent budget-friendly setup to get started, without diving in too deep all at once.

Appreciate your feedback – really helpful as I figure this all out!
No hating for Elves - they're solid brand with decent frames. The issue I am talking about is TT bike.

Assuming it's your first 70.3 you don't have a lot of experience in triathlon. That means you most likely don't have a lot of experience with TT bikes. Considering the bike you are looking at (Amanyar) is expensive, it will be a risky investment for a number of reasons:

- You don't know for sure it will fit you well (i.e. makes you go faster than on dropbar bike)
- Riding TT bikes is a very specific activity. Consider it as a DH bike on another end of spectrum, it will be fun in very specific cases and not even remotely resembles the versatility of a road bike
- Riding TT bikes is takes a lot of time to be efficient on them. Muscle load is quite different and you won't achieve your road power output for quite some time, they can also give more strain on you. This also includes metodical trial and error which position and gear works best.
- Reselling Elves as a Chinese frame will be difficult, it is not UCI legal which shrinks your aftermarket options even more

All that being said, my advise is to not throw the money you have into the risky investment. Hence, I suggest you to get a way cheaper used Trinity as a popular TT option to find out whether you enjoy riding TT bikes in general. Of course, you can get any other used TT bike, but be sure it has as much accessible adjustability as possible.
- Given proper work on your position you won't be any slower than on Elves (Trinity is proven fast frame)
- You will figure out what dimensions and fit you need without excessive money spent
- If it won't fit you well you can resell it for pretty much the same price you bought it.

Than you can spend more money on whatever road bike you want. As you mentioned, road bike with TT extensions is a compromise due to lesser adjustability and geometry features which enables comfortable TT position (HT DT angles, reach), but be mindful what comes with the frame. My requirement would include:
- very broad for/aft adjustment (or flip-flop seatpost) to get you closer to BB
- Handlebars must tolerate a lot of stack
- Ability to instal non-proprietary aero extension

It won't be as comfortable but you can win TT races/triathlons with such setup versus proper TT bikes.

All that is written is my POV and experience with riding many different bikes, I bet there will be people that say you must have a TT bike for triathlon :)

Regarding power meter, @SirBikealot expained the point pretty well - you are not saving money when buying Favero but have more parts to move around.