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Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
Quote from: Jimin on August 01, 2022, 01:48:40 AM
Perhaps my brain is a little slow this morning but what do you mean by looks that score lower on the copied frame? So there will be less comments from other people you mean? :)
Yeah the 099 is a bit lighter so that's why I am leaning towards it besides the looks of it.

Ah! Wow I have to ask Chris! This was a good thing to know!
What about we water that goes upwards? Meaning rainwater

I mean I prefer an open mold that does not look 100% copied. My personal preference.
By the way, given the nature of the cycling community, it is normal for people to comment on people riding a 100% copied frame. It is up to the rider to care or not to care about the good or bad comments. Ride whatever you want. It is your money. It is your life. You asked for opinions so I shared my thoughts and preference on both frames. In the end it is your choice that matters.

099 frame does not look 100% like the venge even if the geometry chart may be similar. In fact the 099 open mold frame is being rebranded and used by cycling teams.
Example frame with different fork and seatpost here: https://www.dolan-bikes.com/ares/
Teams: https://www.dolan-bikes.com/teams/
I saw online the 099 is also sold as a brand called Lokka Ranger.

You cannot rebrand the 218 like the above examples because it is a 100% copied frame. The 099 seems to be more of an "Open Mold" that is why I prefer it.

Another analogy is; you can outrightly pirate a Windows Operating system which is not cool but is commonly done. But Linux Operating system is Open Source Software so you can adapt it as you wish?
August 01, 2022, 03:32:11 PM 		1
Re: Rate the inside of this fork:
Quote from: 1Sigma on July 28, 2022, 06:44:43 AM
So this is my fork, at the bottom. Where the steerer is joined to the rest of the fork.
Visually it’s always bothered me, but it hasn’t caused any problems, or shown symptoms of weakness (like creaking or flexing).

I personally think it’s fine, but a sloppy job.  Interested to hear what you all think - if it is a cause for concern, or if this is perfectly normal.


Reminds me of this youtube video "HIS CHINESE CARBON BIKE BROKE IN HALF!" at timestamp: 7:06. 




August 01, 2022, 06:48:44 PM 		2
Re: ICAN triaero A9 wow
August 01, 2022, 10:57:50 PM 		4
Re: VBR 218 or VBR 099?
Quote from: Jimin on August 02, 2022, 07:55:00 AM
Oh now I understand what you mean! I thought that the 099 was a copy of the venge. Matter of fact that every frame was a copy of something.
What does it exactly mean by open mold?

In @patliean1's Youtube video titled "VeloBuild VB R-177 - Lightest Chinese Frame Under $1000?", at time stamp 3:19 he explains what an open mold means. You can checkout the video.
August 02, 2022, 07:29:35 PM 		2
Winspace T1550 new frame?
Looks like Winspace has a new frame coming soon; T1550.

https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2022/7/6/winspace_t1550__7020_8020_disc_1657112253_97ff2252_progressive.jpg
August 02, 2022, 08:09:29 PM 		2
Re: Twitter R10 Complete Bike
Oh wow!

Then expected quality of frame is basically within the "acceptable" / rideable frame quality, plus poor after sales support we already receive from open mold frame dealers.

In this case they at least have done "dress rehearsals" on the frame before sending out to customers. One less problem to deal with.

Thanks a lot for sharing.
August 16, 2022, 07:08:33 AM 		1
Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
Quote from: voshond on August 25, 2022, 02:32:56 PM
Ah, yes. They are rubbing constantly on one side and i tried to remount the brakes multiple times. I also use a rotor shim that i put between the brakes and the rotor for spacing. But no matter what, it still rubs. Only thing i can imagine is, that the surface is uneven and therefore there is a tilt in the caliper that is causing the rub.

Have you tried truing the disc rotors with a rotor truing tool or long nose pliers?
I get this issue with the 177 and 099 with some brand new rotors. After truing no more rubbing.

Also check for wobbling wheel hubs / wheels etc.
August 25, 2022, 09:00:28 PM 		1
Re: RRS Kit SPD-SL Carbon Pedals If it works great this is definitely something to consider.

Thanks for sharing.
September 08, 2022, 02:39:52 AM 		1
Re: Elite Wheels / Aliexpress / Trace Velo
Quote from: boost3782 on October 30, 2022, 09:09:53 AM
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With the above said I do have a screen shot of what I posted. I can post it if that would help. I am more concerned with people knowing which youtubers and forums are legitimate advice to listen to and spend their hard earned money accordingly and who is just making content to make money off people.

Can you share the screen shot of your comment on Trace Velo's video here so we can see both sides of the issue and evaluate properly for ourselves.
Mind you, it is his channel and source of business and hence he has the right to do whatever he likes with his comment section.

Most of us ended up in this forum because we started our journey watching Trace Velo and hence built our first bike ourselves and saved a lot of money in the process.
Lots of people here also at one point or the other had issues with dealers. This has nothing to do with whichever youtube reviewers we watched before pulling the trigger.

Just because you had a bad experience with a dealer he reviewed doesn't mean you should come here and run him under the bus.

However, I do sympathize with you on the terrible situation which I feel you should take up with EliteWheels and probably Aliexpress.

Maybe you should make your own YouTube video about the situation and put all the keywords that will direct even more traffic, visibility and awareness to your issue with EliteWheels and Aliexpress.

Try doing something positive for the community first before throwing a major contributor of the community under the bus just because of your one bad issue out of many other successful customers.

In addition, just like Velobuild once did regarding issues with their services, It will be good if Elite Wheels or even Trace Velo can comment on this issue since both have lots of customers and followers here respectively. Always the best to hear from both sides before throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
November 01, 2022, 11:27:59 PM 		7
Re: Elite Wheels / Aliexpress / Trace Velo
Quote from: boost3782 on November 05, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
... and shame on you for acting like I am the bad guy for posting my experience with all the involved.


Again, I sympathize with your issue.

And again in this issue burning an "advertiser / influencer" is childish because we all already know they are on a thin line sharing their experience with these products
even if they get sent products for free or get discounts, they actually also bring value to their audience weather we like to admit it or not.
This is basically the whole business model behind being an influencer in a niche space.
It is their own responsibility to handle whatever backlash the way they see fit.
It is your responsibility to bare the consequences of your actions taken based on the information you get from the internet.

You could have even ask Trace Velo to add his weight (if any) to contact EliteWheels and help resolve the issue.
But because you are angry (of which I totally understand the pain) you just want to burn down everything.

Like you said, making and sharing a video of your experience is hard for everyday people like yourself etc, then you can imagine why Trace Velo would want to administrate / protect his hard work i.e. digital assets, especially when being at the mercy of the algorithm. 
Nevertheless, I do feel Trace Velo should give an insight into why he deleted your comments on his video when he claims to be unattached and unbiased on products he reviews.

Look, in 2022 it is childish to blame "the internet" for introducing you to any product or service.

The core of your problem is very bad shipping service, after which EliteWheels and Aliexpress refusing to take full responsibility.

Buying anything from china is basically a game of hit or miss especially with the cheaper regular shipping option.
So blaming a "reviewer / advertiser" for your shipping problem and saying shame on people is actually childish.

Again, the ratio is just off. I.e. running Trace Velo under the bus and questioning the VALUE of the WHOLE of his online content, against your deleted comment of a shipping problem. 

Focus on getting your money from the people you gave your money to.
November 05, 2022, 09:39:35 PM 		3