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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Fork Advise
« on: October 25, 2023, 06:24:03 AM »
I’m on the lookup for a 1 1/8” to 1 1/14” tapered carbon fork. Any advise of a reliable china brand to buy from?

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Not yet... I am hoping to get the paint finished late next week and built up by mid-may, barring any build hiccups.  The GF-003 looks like a mountain bike, so it may be overkill for that application, IMO.  I was cross-shopping the Airwolf YFR-066 / Rinasclta Granite, which, if I liked the aesthetics of it, I would have chosen that for the same use (not to imply it's ugly, just a subjective opinion).  I am hoping this CX-002 can survive light trail use and bunny-hops in CX, so we'll see this summer.

patliean1 has a few video's on YT with his ride impressions of the CX-002, posted on the first page here.  It'd be interesting to see a comparison video ;)

Cool, I’ll keep an eye out for your build…possibly I may have actually bought one by then  :) . Yes, i did see his vids and looks good. I think he was sent the bike for review though, so good to also hear from somebody who is a regular customer and bought themselves.

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Well, we are getting a week long heat wave in the mid west USA, so it’s time to paint!  I’m going to do this in 3 stages: matte clear over carbon (below); base, mid, gloss clear; then stripes and clear.  Here you can see the rough black and white theme though.  More to come. 
The Pathfinder Pro 38’s are finally back in stock in some places, so I was able to snag a set.

Have you started using the bike yet? I’m eyeing this one up for a second bike / commuter , so interested in real world reviews. I was looking at both is and GF-003 , but leaning towards this , as I wont be doing any gravel as such, just a few rough roads and cycle tracks

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Had the same problem with my OG-Evkin CF-025 which appears to be the same mold.  Used a small piece of this type of fiberglass mesh tape between the wedge and the seatpost combined with carbon paste and no more problems.

https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en/products/floors-tile/tile-prep/tape-screws-paper/durock-tile-backer-tape.html

Thanks. I’ll get some of this and try it out

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still liking the 066 rim brake.   it is still on trainer duty but the weather is getting warmer so it will get taken outside soon.  yes still looking at the disc version as well.  need to finish my gravel build.  i went with the light carbon LCG010.  i hate the cables through the headset so i went with their older version.  still has great clearance and a good stack height for my old back.  hahaha

Cool. Well I went out for a proper ride yesterday and very happy with the 066. The only issue was seat post moving a bit (I’ve used carbon paste and torqued correctly, so not sure what more I can do at the mo).

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One thing to look for in the bars is a sheet reach on the bar itself.  I like to run PRO Plt bars because they have a 70mm reach.  Also had some Zipp bars that had the same reach.  Some bars can have 80-90mm reach so that right there could be 20mm further out that your hoods will be just from the bar.  Just something to look at so you don't end up worse off it than when you started.

Thanks for the heads up, will be doing some homework on this front!

How you getting on with your build? Are you still thinking of getting the disc version? I’m actually eyeing up their gravel bikes at the mo as a potential second (GF002 or GF003)… otherwise, I’ll prob get the disc version and just set up a bit differently (i.e wider tyres, different gearing)

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One thing you could look at doing is getting a longer but steeper stem and then flip it up.  hard to tell from the pics but it looks like your stem is a 6 degree and is angled down.  if you went with a 17 degree stem you could remove a few spacers and have your bars end up in the same spot.

You have an eagle eye! indeed it’s currently angled down and I think about 6 degree….I think I’m actually going to change the bars relatively soon (as the drops are a bit big, although the hoods are perfect), so I’ll prob just get bear and stem together and look for one with a bit more of an angle and flip and see how that goes.

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Depending on size of your former Cube Attain comparing to VBR066 XS:
Cube size 50, similiar stack and reach https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c271337227fd001cae930b,
Cube size 53, longer stack and reach. https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c27578bd501b0020a15464,
If your former bike was a size 53 it sure was higher, but also longer so more streched out body position or very short stem to compensate.

Based on the data from the bike fit and the frame geo your only option is to run spacers as you currently do. You are maxing out on reach length, bottoming out on stack and seat angle is .5 degree slacker which legthens the distance from saddle to bar compared to recommended seat angle.
Body core strenghtening and flexibilty training could allow for more drop between saddle and handle bar and thereby fewer spacers. Or maybe trying a riser bar if you want to lower the amount of spacers.

So, yes my former bike was the size 53 cube and I had to have a very short stem (which made things a bit twitchy actually). I think for now, I’ll just keep the amount of spacers (50mm under the stem) and see how it goes for a few rides (I’ve not actually been out on a proper ride since setting up yet). I’m thinking though that getting a stem that had a slight angle (& pointing up) mixed with some flexibility training willl allow me to drop spacers a bit and not be as paranoid about the steerer haha.

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Recommendations are no more than 30-40mm spacers below the stem. For carbon fork and steerer I personally would not go with more than 30mm just to be sure.

The VBR066 is an endurance oriented frame with shorter reach and higher stack compared to race/aero oriented frames. If the right size for you the VBR066 should offer comfortable fit without 55mm spacers.

How tall are you and what inseam measurement do you have? Which frame size did you order? What stem length do you have?
Can you attach a photo of the bike taken from the side so we can see it's set up?

Thanks for your reply… Ive got an xs size. The reason for picking this size is I had a bike fit (on my current bike that is a size s, so slightly bigger, for reference a Cube Attain GTC SL) and for that one had to slam and get a very short stem for it to fit.

I’ve attached notes from my bike fit…. I’m 5’7 and inseam 29”. From a reach point of view the xs is perfect, but the head tube really low compared to current bike (hence all the spacers). I’ve got 45mm of spacers at the mo under the stem.

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Full bike pic. Don’t judge the odd tires.  Just needed something to measure clearances.  30mm tires of any flavor are hard to come by.  Seems to be a popular size.

So I’ve finally got mine together. Thanks very much for your tips and progress updates, the 28s fitted comfortably, so I see no issues with 30s at all.

One thing I underestimated was how low the stack was for my fit, I’ve had to put about 55mm of spacers underneath the stem, should I be good with this?…. there doesn’t seem to be any documentation around max recommended.

Very happy with the bike though, did a quick spin around the block and hanging together well… only had one minor quality issue which was one of the frame fittings not sitting flush , but in terms of ride quality, feels really responsive. I now have the confidence to go for the disc version

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FINALLY received my wheels.  they spent almost a month in Customs.  Super happy with them.  final weight came in at 1340g so pretty happy with that.  I am a big fan of the 3k twill pattern.  have not set them up tubeless yet as I am waiting for the official tires to come in.  but I have some random tires on hand and there them on there.   pics are of a 26mm Vittoria.  I had the 28mm Schwalbe on their and I think I will be good to go for my 30mm tires.  it will be close but should have enough room.  I am surprised that the tire width didn't really change from the 15mm ID rim to the 21mm ID rim.  I was expecting it to be a mm or 2 wider. 

these wheels put my build at 6.75kg with pedals and quad lock mount.  both wheels have regular tubes currently so tubeless should drop a little more.  hopefully I can get it out on real road soon but for now it is back to trainer for this thing.

Good news finally getting the wheels! Very good overall weight as well! Woulld you mind taking a fill pic of the bike with the wheels on? Interested to see how they look. I’ve finally got my frame in this weekend, so will be commencing the build very soon

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Sorry to everyone as i still have no new wheels.  however i do have a set of old wheels and some calipers to measure the clearances.  i have installed a tireless wheel so it is easier to see and the results look.  there is a little over 41mm in width where the tire would be and 32mm from the rim to frame in the front (the tires height)  So i am pretty confident that i will be able to sneak 30mm tires in there.  28s will definitely fit

Thanks for sharing, gives me relief that I’ll be able to install my 28s

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NERD ALERT post.  Still waiting on the wheels and as soon as they are in i will double check the fit for those waiting on whether a 28C or 30C tire will fit.  I did however get some total nerd parts in.  Some people love weight weenie parts and some don't, i am one who does.  feel free to ignore this post if you are not. 

Elita one seat post came in, 135g which is 60g less than stock velobuild
SRACE 11-28t cassette 195g
Carbon bottle cage x2 - 12.8g vs 45g
titanium bolts a plenty!
 Bottle bolts, seat binder bolts, jockey wheel bolts and brake pad and brake cable clamp bolts  30.1g vs 16g.

When you get the wheels, will be interested to see your total bike weight with everything on

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Got the bike all built up and i am not just sorting out my fit.  need to swap some stems around and play with where i want to cut the steerer.  with 20"+ of new snow on the ground it will be a while before i make it out side so on the trainer is where she lives.  one thing i noticed was the EE G4 brakes have a very different cable angle once they are set up on the wheel.  i need to get longer housing as they ended up a bit short first time around.   

I got word that the wheels are built and shipped.  they sent some preview shots.  they should be around the 1350g mark so about 300g less than the current wheels.  i think that alone will get me under 7kg.

Good to see the bike built up, look forard too hearing your on road review once you have the opportunity / weather to be able to get out.

Also, thanks for your other reply re experiences etc with buying from China. Yeah, I’m with you re buying from companies trying to make a name for themselves rather that just replicas.

Have you tried out any group sets such as sensa?…. or stick wit the mainstream on that side of things

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Nice! Yes I've used both their integrated bars and the separate bar/stem combo that come with the frames that have full internal wiring. The 066 doesn't come with bars so I would either buy them from VB or source them separately if you're after something more specific since the options they have don't cover everyone.


In terms of ordering I would ask for an extra rear derailleur hanger to be thrown in. That's about it I think. Good luck!

Thanks. I’ve pulled the trigger now and went with one of their bar and stems as well and spare hanger. Just the waiting game now and hope all arrives in one peice haha

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