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Re: Welcome to Chinertown - Introduce Yourself! Hi folks,
my name is Eike (just don't try to pronounce that^^) and i am from Germany.
I am riding an IP-256 SL Hardtail so far and i am thinking about adding a full suspension Bike for trail rides. Looking for a ~130 mm frame from china is frustrating at this point, maybe something happens until next spring...
August 20, 2020, 12:45:39 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts Hi Folks,
inspired by colt_seaver's building thread in a german forum, i spent the last days reading all 72 pages of this thread :o (who needs netflix? ;) )
I like the FM936 more and more... already have a spreadsheet set up to calculate price and weight of a bike based on this frame.

I stumbled across a few comments about poor climbing performance.
I am a fast tourer and marathon rider and my current "do it all" bike is a not-so-light carbon hardtail (IP-256SL if sb knows). I really like steep uphill challenges and eating altitude meters.
Problem is, i am a total coward going downhill: The smallest feel of sliding or the rear wheel getting light leads to a complete mental blockade. To overcome that, i think about using a more down-country or even trailbike-oriented bike. As i have a very long torso for my size, most common bikes on the market would be too short for me, so the FM936 should be just right for me.
Thing is, i don't really want to sacrifice uphill performance. So hands down, how much worse is the FM936's uphill performance compared to a hardtail?
Do you think the FM936 will meet my needs, i.e. giving me a fast touring resp. marathon bike with much more downhill confidence?

Is it worth the effort (money/weight) to have a rear shock remote lockout? I like standing up in the pedals for spontaneous give-it-all sprints. The only full suspension i rode the last years was a Giant Reign 2, wich was an absolute pain in the ass in this discipline (yes, different bike category).

Also, does sb have an idea how much weight is saved by opting for SL in size XL? Can i expect 200 g?
colt_seavers had 2182 g including rear axle for a standard XL.
I try to figure out where to save the most weight for the least money. Sub 11 kg with dropper post would be nice, but budget is limited.

November 17, 2020, 07:30:22 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: RobertRinAustin on November 17, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
A couple of answers for you in no particular order.
My current full squish (Evil Following MB) climbs better than my hard tail on 90% of the terrain I ride. Anything that isn't smooth, and the FS does better. Lots of rocky, rooty and rutted technical climbs where the FS does much better because it is so much better at maintaining tread contact. Set the suspension up correctly and I doubt you'd miss your HT on anything but the smoothest climbs.

 I have never used the lockout, even on the street or smooth fire roads. However, my XC racing buddies use remote lockouts and both swear by them.

Carbonda shows 150 g difference for the SL in size M. I doubt you'll get 200 on an XL and even if you did, you could probably save more weight spending that money elsewhere.

This bike will shock you with how much better it feels going down than the typical XC HT. The geometry gives it so much stability. It's not an enduro, but drop the seat and point it down and have fun.

Thanks a lot for your input! Just as i thought it would be. Anyway, I'll stick to the lockout for asphalt roads and finish line sprints ;)
It will alredy help a lot if i feel confident to try on my "i dont dare"-Passages. I think that's what i can expect from this bike. If it shocks me, i'll be ok with that.
Only tight corners might remain a problem, but one can't have everything.

In conclusion, i guess i will wait for my 300 h overwork to be payed at the end of the year and convert that into a new bike 8)
Until then, i'll think about a nice color to have the frame painted. I remember some some candy red anywhere in this thread...

Quote from: RobertRinAustin on November 17, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
Finally, you won't hit 11 kg with a dropper unless you have lots of really lite parts already, friends who will sell you really lite parts on the cheap or you spend a bunch of money. Limited budget and lite weight don't really go together.
Limited budget is a relative term ;) I thought about 3500€ (~4150 USD) and if it gets 200 bucks more, that's no big deal.
Also keep in mind that i don't think about a mini-enduro to do huge bikepark airtimes. So there's no need for bulletproof-style components.
With SID/SIDluxe, 1400 g wheelset based on chiner rims, Sram GX groupset, Shimano XT Brakes, OneUp Seatpost and Stuff like Handlebar, Saddle and Pedals coming from AliExpress, my spreatsheed says 3600 € and 10900 g at this point. Even with tubeless milk. Only thing that's missing by now is the shifting cables.
So i think it's not impossible - and i don't cry if the result is 11.1 kg.

Currently i wonder if Gripshift & Twistloc will fit with current Shimano brakes... i saw some Pics that don't look too well. Looks like trial & error, i guess.
November 17, 2020, 01:51:24 PM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: urbs on November 20, 2020, 04:28:28 AM
Hey all, I just read through this whole thread to help with a FM936 I'm doing. Thanks for all the helpful info!

Quick note for people looking at a SID select or ultimate. Alltricks have the SID ultimate with lockout available for only €730 as part fo their black friday deals:

https://www.alltricks.com/F-11918-fourches/P-1495461-rockshox_sid_ultimate_race_day_29___39___39__remote_fork___boost_15x110_mm___offset_44___blue_2021

@reddi, nice build list. Using the above you could save 150g (based on R2 bike weights) for only €100 extra.
Hi, thanks for that link! Didn't realize that weight significant difference... :o
Too bad that deal is only for the blue one. Although i like that blue tone, i highly doubt it will fit to the dark candy red frame.
If i could return the fork after receiving the frame, I'd just buy it and give it a try. But since i just ordered the frame this day, there is no doubt it won't be with me within 14 days.
So i'll keep looking for a nice black friday deal on the black one. 730 € would really suit me...  8)

@Quentin: Yep, the SIDluxe 165x42.5 from Bike24 has no remote :-X
November 20, 2020, 04:04:09 PM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: QuentinLL on November 22, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
729 € for blue with twist lock
749 € for black with twist lock

I bought a black but there were only a 2 in stock when i paid.
So i got the other one - when i paid, there was 1 in stock  ;)
(Didn't want to disappoint anybody, so i didn't tell in this thread)
November 23, 2020, 07:52:40 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: jimmyD on December 04, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Do you know if the Rockshox twist lock remote will work with the DTSwiss shock?
I already have the fork :-\
I can't tell anymore where i read about it, but i think the DT Swiss dual position system works with 5.5 mm cable pull for each step, so 10 mm cable pull from RS twistloc might not give a full lockout, but close to. I think i'll try that out when the frame has arrived (it's getting painted at the moment).

Meanwhile, I'm not too sure where the remote lockout cable is routed out of the frame, as with the DT Swiss shock the cable stopper would be oriented right down in the direction of the BB. Could get "interesting" to connect the cable when it is routed from below the bottle holder screws... Or am i just thinking the wrong way? ???
December 06, 2020, 04:41:49 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: siejak on December 29, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
has anyone seen any damper for this frame with remote lockout?
165x37,/38/40/42,5?
Fox, DT 535 and X-Fusion are already mentioned
+ DT 232 One, but i'm not sure if you can route the cable in an appropriate way
+ SR Suntour Edge RLR (was not able to get one, might be OEM)
+ RockShox has 165 trunnion shocks (Sidluxe & Monarch) for remote lockout as OEM, so in future there should be used ones for sale occasionally.
+ standard 165 shocks with a trunnion adapter kit

Quote from: ENEP on December 29, 2020, 08:01:43 AM
Looking to purchase a FM936 but can't decide on frame size.
I'm 186 cm tall and have an inseam of 88cm without shoes.
Would you recommend Large or X-Large?
Would greatly appreciate if you can motivate, maybe I'll learn something :)

Thank you!
What are top tube lenght and reach of your current bike(s) in comparison?
For example, my current bike has a 640 mm TT and i use a 90 mm stem. So a FM936 in L would give me the same length and a XL is either same length with shorter stem or offers a more stretched position.
As i dont feel stretched on my current bike at all and i want a shorter stem, i ordered XL.
Your numbers, current feeling and conclusion will differ, but that's the way i made my decision.
Edit: with 88 cm inseam at 186 cm overall, you have a way shorter torso than i have (short 78 inseam at 188 overall). So i guess L might be the better option for you, especially if you merely look for a trail bike than a stretched marathon racer.

By the way, does anybody know how carbonda takes christmas and new year? Do they shut the doors as european companies would do? I dont want to message them "whats the status?" annoyingly after they spent ten nice days with their families. But I'm the most impatient man on earth and china doesnt care that much about christian holidays...
December 30, 2020, 02:30:17 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: ENEP on December 30, 2020, 05:25:33 AM
Current bike has 656mm toptube with 35mm stem and reach is 460mm.
Sometimes the current bike feels small and like I'm "on top of the bike" and not "in the bike and one with the bike". I am between size recommendations on my current bike having a Large while a X-large would also be okay according to manufacturer. I don't feel stretched out on current bike.
Currently only riding trails leisurly as the bike is a long travel enduro model. In the future with a FM936 i mighty try my luck with xc marathon style riding/racing.

I'm leaning towards choosing a size Large FM936, mostly due to i'm afraid the minimum saddle height might be to high on an XL and being in the way for the descents.

Edit: Added geo-comparison attachment.

Okay, that's really difficult. With XL, you don't have the option to have the same seating position as you have now. Without regarding the steeper seat tube angle, your position will be stretched by at least 8 mm. You could try that out with a 45 mm stem at your current bike. Might be good if you feel a bit cramped now.
On the other hand, one tends to use a longer stem at bikes with less travel. So chosing L and a >50 mm stem would give you the same position as you have now... bad thing is, it could feel wrong using a longer stem on this bike, when taking into account that you might like switching to a more stretched position.

With 88 cm inseam i highly doubt you get a problem with the seat tube. Even i with my short legs get a 150 mm dropper fit in a XL frame. Just measure your current distance from BB zu seat rails and do some easy calculation.
December 30, 2020, 11:54:56 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts I received my FM936 today. Fell in love immediately! :D :D


Looking a bit closer, i found a few painting mistakes. No i dont know: Is that normal with Carbonda?

January 26, 2021, 08:50:51 AM 		3
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts It is attached at the side, but with the 90° pipe, you can have it as you want.
January 28, 2021, 12:22:40 AM 		1