Joe said rim brake will be available later so they are not the same shifters

My source sent me this photo that Magene told him about the shifter disc + rim compatibility. But I honestly have no idea how it works.

ELITA ONE Carbon Saddle MTB/Road Bike saddle Super Light Leather Carbon Cushions 96g
https://a.aliexpress.com/_Exam3oT

I could find one with 135mm width, but not even on the Lexon Store:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGk12oF

Did you order it ?
It is confusing if it is 135 or 140mm.

Pretty much an Aethos clone

But with the option to put an integrated handlebar.
The original is 1 1/8 on top.

Im not talking about velobuild either haha. Maybe we're misunderstanding each other. I dont think velobuild target domestic chinese market at all by the way. In fact, in my 5 years living here ive never seen anyone riding an unbranded open mold frame

Im talking about exactly the brands you listed. Tavelo, bross, pardus, seka, winspace,  etc and even brands like onirii all sponsor professional teams here in china. These brands, whether using open mold or not, are all spending money on marketing, sponsorships and creating brand presence in china. Winspace even have a physical store

Chinese customers don't value chinese frames much higher than we do

So in response to this, yes i think they do

I'm not saying they are bad bikes at all, I wouldn't mind riding one, just not worth the pricepoint along with all the other downsides that come with buying from the other side of the world.

I totally get that. I definitely dont think i would either if i were still living outside of china!

My main point was targeted at people here and on ww questioning these 'increased prices' from brands like tavelo, bross and seka and quoting pandapodium prices