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Re: Welcome to Chinertown - Introduce Yourself! Hi,
I'm Draz, from Turkey. I currently ride a "aggressive" hardtail and own small shop for our community. I come across this forum after realizing an EU/US brand frames are 4-5 times more expensive than what they actually cost. Amazing community so far... Currently awaiting order from LightCarbon FS947. I will share my experience from receiving the frame, building to compare it with my hardtail as quality wise. Also planning to paint the frame and i need help... Probably going to consult an auto body shop as well..
May 10, 2022, 03:13:33 PM 		4
Re: New MTBer, Build Advice Welcome roadie, I'm also kinda new to FS world. However i did my research, compared a 140mm hardtail to a 140/150 full suspension bike.

If you are going fast, there are some downside of hardtail, lack of traction is the most obvious one.
Your ride will be much bumpier in high speed. Given you are off the saddle time to time, you may not feel the harshness of the trail but find it confidence breaker.

When i ride hardtail, I can feel even the smallest root or rock. This was a problem for me especially when i was cruising uphill on the saddle and I'm only 30 y/o.

IMO even the shortest full suspension is better than hardtail.
I would go with fm1001 or you can also check Light carbon LCFS958.

Some information about mtb,

Dropper seat post is kinda a must have
You don't need flagship suspension, you need to tune in.
I would say for 100mm travel fork 32mm stanchions are more than ok. Rockshox recon is a good choice at your total price range
120mm travel, i would choose at least 34mm model. rockshox 35 is a budget model.
Stay away from remote lockout models as they only have no compression adjustment.

Rear shock is determined by two length.
Total length, travel length
Take 185x50mm for example, 185mm(eye to eye length) is determined by frame manufacturer stick with that.
There is a maximum travel for a frame exceeding that, your suspension link going to touch the frame.

Take 50mm travel, leverage ratio dictates the travel of the rear wheel. If ratio is 1:2 lets say, you will have 100mm rear travel. These numbers are determined by your suspension link design.
You can install slightly lower travel rear shock, 185x45mm and you will only have 90mm travel.

There is also trunnion mounting. Normally shocks are standard eye to standard eye.
Lately there are lots of trunnion mount to standard eye. I believe thats a better mounting type and doesn't require bushing or mounting hardware.

You also going to need a bushing for the standard eyelet side of the shock also determined by frame manufacturer.
Thats basically a spacer for rear shock.

Also look for flex stays(single pivot) vs horst stay.

Happy builds!
May 16, 2022, 04:05:37 PM 		4
Re: FS830 Enduro Frame - Stef Biggel’s build Such a lovely place for mtb
May 24, 2022, 07:27:07 PM 		3
Re: Painting: First Chinese bike experience w/ LCFS947 Just finished painting and I have to say it's a real pain in the O.

Notes to the initial thoughts.
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Preparation
I will cover all the pivot points which can be scuffed with the movement, bb, headset, seatpost. Wet sand the UD fiber layer with 600 then 800 grit.

This is probably the most important step take your time and make the masking perfect.
A bit of imagination is required to create a stand for the main triangle.
Also manufacturing tolerances were lot less than anticipated, I ended up sanding some pivot points.

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Primer paint
At this stage I'm between getting my own primer or supplied from auto industry.
Options are Spray max 2k epoxy primer spray can OR generic brand 2k primer + thickener + thinner with a spray gun.
Wet sand the primer with 800 or 600+800grit after 24hrs.

It wasn't really an issue, just some elbow grease to smooth the primer i ended up only sand with 800 grit.

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Base coat
This is actually the easiest options since I will be quite happy with my jeep's metallic silver.
I can also use some extra shine for the color, for deeper metallic effect. Any idea would be appreciated.
However I'm not sure about 2 color coatings or 1 coating?

Base coat aka color, this is where things get excited to look at.
I didn't participate this stage but according to the painter it took about 3-4 coats to hide the primer.
All coats applied on each other 10 minutes interval.
I find a paint shop and made a custom color paint, but it looked different than what it should.

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Clear Coat
I decided to go with auto industry clear coating since it is pretty durable and spraymax 2k clear coat cost a lot compared to auto spray gun option.
Also Does this stage require 1 coating or 2 coatings?

This is, I believe where paint guy fucked up the whole process. They didn't put much attention and fucked up the looks. It took 5-6 coats to make it reasonably good look. Always one spot was missing... This was due to the poor preparation no stand just hanging the pieces and it was either too low or too high.

Visually it is 7/10
Smooth finish 3/10
Durability 9/10
It took more clear coats than it should and arguably it's more durable. ;D

Aftermath
It only cost me 30$ but i would pay 100$ for better finish.
Second choice i would completely DIY the project and do a proper job.

I added a sneak peek of the color will add more pictures later
May 29, 2022, 11:47:10 AM 		1
Light Carbon LCFS947 build I finally finished the build and here is the Green Pine.

I was delivered by national post office just 16 days after i made the payment. Amazing work followed by Jim from lightcarbon.

Full build album is in the link.

https://imgur.com/a/lX4lcHO

Frame:
Lightcarbon LCFS947 -Large-

Build

Fork: Rockshox Lyric Select 170mm 42mm with 2 tokens

Rear Shock: Rockshox Deluxe Ultimate 185x55 159mm travel with factory tokens. Found 190€ new on bike24 so no piggyback..

Drivetrain: Shimano XT8100 shifter / SLX7100 Rear derailleur / SLX7100 crankset 32T 170mm/ SLX 6100 Chain & cassette

Brakes: Shimano deore 6120 with metallic pads

Rotors: Slx RT66 203mm F - 180mm R

Handlebar: Nukeproof horizon v2 - 35mm- 25mm rise- 770mm

Stem: Nukeproof horizon 35mm

Wheelset: Nukeproof Horizon v2 102T

Headset and seatpost clamp: Nukeproof

Dropper post: Brand-X 170mm 31.6 going to swap with a friend's 150mm. This frame works allright with Oneup v2 150mm only!

Saddle: WTB volt

Tires: Maxxis Aggressor / Dissector / Assegai on rotation 2.5/2.6

Going to give some ride feedback soon!
June 08, 2022, 01:34:41 PM 		6
Re: LCFS947 - 160mm 4-bar 27+/29 As far as i understand, your lower shock bolt is smaller in diameter for the 10x30 hardware. I believe manufacturing tolerance wasn't correct.

So, maybe remove rear shock and try installing the bolt,  inspect the fit, any small play will be quite noticeable on the bike.

You should be able to push the bolt with a slight force.

If gravity pulls the bolt all the way in the hardware you may need a replacement bolt.
I recently purchase/build this frame and i had some hard time to install the lower bolt and shock wasn't even on the bike.
Although my complaint is the opposite, i was able to fit it eventually.
They may have change the tolerance for new batches, it is not the best fit for me but it works for now.

I also want to give a tip,
When installing multiple bolts like pivot arms shock bolt and trunnion, keep them slightly loose until all the bolts are installed.
Then you can torque the bolts and like all the sequential tightening systems double check the torques after finishing first pattern.
This method saved me lot of time & headache. Hope that helps to you guys.
June 28, 2022, 05:45:28 AM 		1
Re: Enduro Hardtail I would get a AL hardtail with that head angle assuming you will have 140-150mm fork. You looked nukeproof or ragley?
July 12, 2022, 03:28:33 PM 		1
Re: Enduro Hardtail
Quote from: Stef Biggel on July 12, 2022, 06:09:58 PM
Hy Draz,
Thank you. I know a few of the Al Frames with downhill geo… but i search for Carbon and was surprised don‘t find any.

My point is with that much of front travel you may need a rear suspension, if you want to go carbon.
AL should give more compliance, better suited for long travel hardtails.

You are basically looking for an XC carbon frame with enduro type head angle which should be quite rare.

I have a 65degree AL hardtail and carbon full sus.
As an engineer and a rider, I just don't recommend stiff rear and trail size fork.

Of course thats just an opinion but the fact that AL version offered in that geo is way more common, kinda backs my opinion.
July 13, 2022, 10:54:55 AM 		2
Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
Quote from: casual_build on July 15, 2022, 04:35:23 PM
Posting my build choices. For me, picking the gear is some of the most fun.

Hope it weighs under 31lb and climbs well, but we will see.

I wish more people posted how much there build was like this.

I did this build for 500 cheaper then my FM936, hope it rides as well.

I guess you imported some parts.
Price includes taxes?

I got the same wheelset, careful with the degreaser it damaged the finish of my wheels.
Bike cleaners should be fine or soapy water.
July 16, 2022, 10:16:51 AM 		1
Re: down tube protection For me its part of a defective nobby nic.
It offers the best protection also doubles as a clamping point if you have a frame holding type bike rack.
If you have worn out tire, it is free as well.
You can also cut it to a specific shape and with a good pattern tire it is not even that bad looking.
August 12, 2022, 01:02:33 PM 		3