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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Leon Hu on December 09, 2023, 02:48:22 AM
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Hello dear friends, have a nice day! This is Leon from www.yuananbike.com。Please allow me to say Happy Christmas/New Year to you in advance! Christmas and New Year are coming, and our factory is conducting year-end promotions. Unprecedented huge discounts, free spare spokes, free DIY stickers, free hub upgrades, and many other benefits are just waiting for you. We are the manufacturer of Exxxxwheels. In addition to this, we are also a supplier to many international brands. Such as Rxxx, and Hxxx, FXXX,Sxxxxx,Cxxxxxxxx,etc.Recently we have been running a Year-end promotion.UNI series ultralight carbon rim+RD13 ratchet system hub/Novatec D411/412 HUB+pillar wing 20 spoke+tubeless valves+tubeless tape. We need 4xx-5xx USD+tax-included channel shipping to EU countries/USA. UNI ultralight carbon wheelset with 21mm internal width, and 28mm external width.40mm depth just 1289+-30g. UNI 45:1309+-30g.UNI 50:1329+-30g. UNI65:1489+-30g. Also, the carbon-spoke wheelset is at a discount. Such as the 40mm depth carbon-spoke wheelset just 1260g+-30g.All the carbon wheelsets are more than 3X off. The Gravel/MTB /3/4/5/6- spoke carbon wheelsets are also in promotion—with the best cost-effective price. Any interested friends can contact me at any time. Hope our friends all don't miss it! Whatsapp:+8615738274372. Email:sales@yuananbike.com.
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You guys also manufacture for Ryet?
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You guys also manufacture for Ryet?
In the previous post (now edited/censored as well), they mentioned "Rose", a trusted german direct-to-customer brand.
So no worries about those YuanAn wheels, they wont explode like the typical RYET wheel :D
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What are ;Dthe other brands?
Elitewheels
Rose
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;D
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What are ;Dthe other brands?
Elitewheels
Rose
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;D
From the back of my head:
HUNT (not 100% sure)
FFWD (sure)
Classified (sure)
but I cant remember what Sxxxxxx... was
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From the back of my head:
HUNT (not 100% sure)
FFWD (sure)
Classified (sure)
but I cant remember what Sxxxxxx... was
I think it's Storck :D
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I am just disappointed that it is cheaper to buy from Elitewheels on Ali with their running discount.
I had the Elitwheels Edge, plus shipping for 441 USD…
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@neobike- Must have been a special because looking now, ali, its 750 for the ceramic bearing one. They say there is a special in a day or so, where there will be about a 60.00 discount
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I am just disappointed that it is cheaper to buy from Elitewheels on Ali with their running discount.
I had the Elitwheels Edge, plus shipping for 441 USD…
I think that Ali subsidized during the sales. AliExpress seems to make up for some of the "loss" from the discounted prices.
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@neobike- Must have been a special because looking now, ali, its 750 for the ceramic bearing one. They say there is a special in a day or so, where there will be about a 60.00 discount
During 11.11 or black Friday sales, the Edge were 565 USD with shipping, then you had 100 USD Ali discount, and 30 USD from Ali coins, total was 441 USD. I bought them so I know the price xD
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Thank you for your leave messages.
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Thank you for your leave messages.
One small suggestion, is to improve your website. Simple breakdown of wheelset specs, cost, weight, etc.. its very hard to navigate and compare all the options.
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thank you so much for your suggestion! If you need anything, please contact me directly. I am your most loyal and quickest feedback service provider.
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I would not agree with that. My messages are being ignored. Wheelset was supposed to be 1450gr. Weight on the balance is 1537gr . Radio silence since I requested a small partial refund.
The rest of the transaction was good with Leon, but the above is enough that I would not recommend them.
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@Benbenben What Wheelset and depth did you get from them?
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I would not agree with that. My messages are being ignored. Wheelset was supposed to be 1450gr. Weight on the balance is 1537gr . Radio silence since I requested a small partial refund.
The rest of the transaction was good with Leon, but the above is enough that I would not recommend them.
Weight on the balance, 1537gr - was this with or without any extras as valves, tubeless tape etc?
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As naked as possible. It's the 65mm edge wheelset (not listed as edge due to Yuan an straight sale).
Leon explained with detailed weight by all components and said that it was miscalculated. However, it was still confirmed that final wheelset was going to be 1450gr +-30gr.
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The standard weight of UNI65 is 1500+-30g. The marble finish will increase the rim weight by 15-20g/rim.
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We all do mistakes. What is important is how we fix them. See pictures of final specs review just before payment was made.
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This is why so many factories wont deal directly with consumers. Combination of not being equipped to deal with the transaction costs and not quite being ready to respond to issues like these. Service costs money. At the prices being offered, there has to be a limit to what Leon can do. Having built wheels, brass vs. alloy nipples is like 40g. Difference in finish? Sure that's believable. Variation in the rims themselves + spoke and hub weights vary too.
We all understood the disagreement. Leon quoted either the wrong or too optimistic of a weight. I personally feel like posting his email to you is unnecessary. If you want to air all the dirty laundry, let us all weigh in on your proposed refund amount as well.
1530g is still really light. Granted some of these wheels are wider, but the Nextie 60 65 set needs Extralite hubs to go sub 1500g and while wider, Light Bicycle cant get there either with their 65mm wheels.
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I asked for 50 USD refund. I had similar experience with a wheelset in the past from another seller, I was refunded that amount for almost exact weight difference. Also this is what is charged for an upgrade of spokes giving a similar economy in weight from ElitWwheels. Pretty fair I think. We all know that for bike parts, weight is money.
I was not trying the shame Leon with the email, but with the reply from him just stating that wheelset is 1500gr plus additional weight for finish, I figured I needed to prove that this is not what was communicated to me as final specs just before payment.
I am not angry, just had to report that experience to this forum since I consider it really bad customer service.
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My IG inbox is filled people asking why should they go with brands like Winspace, Tavelo, and Elite Wheels when they can just go "factory direct." :-X
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I agree Pat, that's a really good example.
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I don't know for sure, how the sales model works, but i think 10% is pretty much the commission a sourcing agent would charge you to find a product. On the other end, not sure if factory selling agents would make more or less. That vs. the 2x markup you pay a Chinese brand or the 3x markup you pay a "western" relabeling operation is the primary reason why "factory direct" is cheaper.
Aggressively calling out Leon was going to lead to someone posting something personally or culturally insulting, which we got via the comment calling him a "typical Chinese shitbag seller." That probably leads Leon to stop offering deals to members of the forum.
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Well, I don't agree that it's not ok to post the email. It just shows that I was not communicated the 1500gr +finish weight. As simple as that.
If you want to take defense of a company that delivers out of specs products and stops responding to their customers., it's up to you.
I believe that this forum exists, in portion, to report our experience so that people can take decisions with more visibility and knowledge on the products and sellers.
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I agree btw that we should never insult anyone over some commercial transactions.
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PLA: I've deleted a couple of your posts. Feel free to speak your grievances, just please do it in a way without insulting people. We can do without terms like "typical shitbag, idiotic, typical internet hypocrite" etc. I realize you probably think that the forum and myself are being "fragile' but that is just the standard we try to maintain here. Thanks for understanding.
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Yes
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My IG inbox is filled people asking why should they go with brands like Winspace, Tavelo, and Elite Wheels when they can just go "factory direct." :-X
I don’t see the point of posting something like this? Brings nothing to the thread.
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I would not agree with that. My messages are being ignored. Wheelset was supposed to be 1450gr. Weight on the balance is 1537gr . Radio silence since I requested a small partial refund.
The rest of the transaction was good with Leon, but the above is enough that I would not recommend them.
I ordered a set of wheels, in my case I don’t care about the weight but more about the quality.
How did you find the overall quality of the build?
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Hi, the weight is no problem. The original weight range of UNI65 is 1490+-30g. And Marble’s special finish will also increase by 10-15g/rim.
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I ordered a set of wheels, in my case I don’t care about the weight but more about the quality.
How did you find the overall quality of the build?
I have not had the chance to ride them yet since I live in Canada, but quality seems good to me. i had 2 set of ElitWwheels and was satisfied with them. Yuan An manufactures them. Therefore I am expecting similar satisfaction.
Yuan An provides the same 3 years warranty also.
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Yes. I hope you try this carbon wheelset first.
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Thank you for your support. New promotions are running now!
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Thank you for your support. New promotions are running now!
What are your new promotions which are running now?
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Any lightweight road/gravel wheelset around 1300-
1350g with DT350 hubs?
30-35mm profile,
28-30mm external width,
22-24mm internal width.
Pillar 1420 or cx ray spokes
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Have a nice day! So sorry for my late response! Any interested friend could contact me directly via WhatsApp or Email, please.
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Hello dear friends, have a nice day! I have ended my CNY holidays and come back to the office and resumed the new year's work.
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New ratchet system hubs for our Carbon-spoke wheelsets and UNI carbon wheelsets are already available now.
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New ratchet system hubs for our Carbon-spoke wheelsets and UNI carbon wheelsets are already available now.
Could you share more details about the new hubs, Maybe some pictures?
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Hi dear my friend, have a nice day! Wish you have a nice weekend! I don't know how to upload pictures on the forum. Could you please help me?
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See screenshot to attach pictures.
What are the widest rims you have that are 50-60mm deep? I want to run at least 30C in front and I want 32C at the rear, so i want rims that are at least as wide.
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Heres some stuff related to those new axles plus a copy of their rim catalog. (not sure if Leon is going to be mad that I am posting what he's sent me)
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Thank you, dear friends. We have 50 mm-60 mm depth carbon rims,21mm/22mm inner width, and 28/29mm outer width. And our new gravel wheelset YAG35-02 carbon wheelset is coming, the ultralight version is just 400g/rim.
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Hey Guys, have a good day. Our New UNI carbon wheelset is coming. Starting at $4xx.The cost-effective wheelsets start at $200. The Gravel/3,4,5,6 spokes/disc/carbon-spoke wheelset has a new discount for the March Purchasing Festival。
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Thank you, dear friends. We have 50 mm-60 mm depth carbon rims,21mm/22mm inner width, and 28/29mm outer width. And our new gravel wheelset YAG35-02 carbon wheelset is coming, the ultralight version is just 400g/rim.
What are the specs of the gravel wheelset? 28mm is too narrow for me, would mean the tyres i use will bulge out.
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Curious about that gravel set to!
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The YAG35 rim is the same as used for Elite wheels Marvel gravel wheel set.
https://www.elite-wheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-Elitewheels-Dealer-Brochure.pdf
See PDF page 18 for spec.
Buying from Yuanan directly you can customize the wheels spec with your choice of hub and spokes.
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Given that jonas vingegaard is running 30C,
https://youtu.be/X0A375Ba3io?si=TMJpbSQrBuSA6BdH&t=814
Interestingly too, Dan Bigham, who's the GOAT when it comes to equipment, is running 27.5mm tyres on the track. https://youtu.be/SF0DHYW-HOM?si=My0h72cUGpE3OOrD&t=1149
So, if that gravel rim goes to 55mm depth, i'm interested. Also, from a comfort alone, there's a huge difference between running 28 and 30 or 32. Even just 28 vs 30 at the front, with 32 at the rear, is a very noticeable difference.
We want wider road rims :)
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Dear Leo, if you would be able to provide wider rim, like 29-30mm wide with 21-22 internal width, I am sold.
Right now this is my choice:
https://eu.huntbikewheels.com/collections/road-cx-disc-brake-wheels/products/hunt-44-aerodynamicist-carbon-disc-wheelset
Depth 45-50-55 for different audiences.
With that you can cater "casual racers", "aero gravel racers" or even hill climbers which value some aero advantage.
No old standards even for cheap please.
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A technical question about this offer, would you rather choose the hub with ratchet system RD13 or the Novatec D411/412 hub in terms of maintenance and durability?
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A technical question about this offer, would you rather choose the hub with ratchet system RD13 or the Novatec D411/412 hub in terms of maintenance and durability?
RD13
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RD13
and why?
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Hi Guys, Happy Easter Holidays! Our new wave road/gravel wheelset and ultra-light 970g disc wheels have arrived. In addition, there is also a group purchase event for carbon spoke wheelsets. Join now to enjoy super discounts immediately. Other carbon wheelsets are also on sale—a more cost-effective price than Aliexpress.Any interested friends can contact me at any time. I hope our friends all don't miss it! Whatsapp:+8615738274372. Email:sales@yuananbike.com.
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Hi Guys, Happy Easter Holidays! Our new wave road/gravel wheelset and ultra-light 970g disc wheels have arrived. In addition, there is also a group purchase event for carbon spoke wheelsets. Join now to enjoy super discounts immediately. Other carbon wheelsets are also on sale—a more cost-effective price than Aliexpress.Any interested friends can contact me at any time. I hope our friends all don't miss it! Whatsapp:+8615738274372. Email:sales@yuananbike.com.
Hi Leon - Are these similar to Elite's latest Drive Helix wheels?
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A technical question about this offer, would you rather choose the hub with ratchet system RD13 or the Novatec D411/412 hub in terms of maintenance and durability?
Ratchet is better for serviceability (of the freehub) because it can easily be disassembled without tools. Not that the freehub on a road bike needs a terrible amount of service. However, when it comes to durability it's hard to say. While the DT Swiss originals are without a doubt very durable, all these copies might or might not be. There's reports on this forum going both ways. Novatec 411/412 however are definitely durable. I've been running a set on one of my wheels for more than 5 years without issues. The supply with spare parts is also pretty much safe with Novatec. With those DT copies, original spare parts from DT Swiss might fit or they might not.
The only issue I found with Novatec is that particularly those sold on Aliexpress sometimes come with lesser quality bearings that wear out fast.
But I really only had this one time with a set of 711/712 hubs where the front hub needed new bearings rather soon.
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Hi Guys, Happy Easter Holidays! Our new wave road/gravel wheelset and ultra-light 970g disc wheels have arrived. In addition, there is also a group purchase event for carbon spoke wheelsets. Join now to enjoy super discounts immediately. Other carbon wheelsets are also on sale—a more cost-effective price than Aliexpress.Any interested friends can contact me at any time. I hope our friends all don't miss it! Whatsapp:+8615738274372. Email:sales@yuananbike.com.
Hi Leon,
Could you let us know where that groupbuy is being organized on so we can see the options and pricing?
thanks
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Via WhatsApp.c. 650usd for c.1300g wheelset with 45 depth 31 width, plus shipping.
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@Leon
I often think about the quote I was given 2 years ago for 2 wheelsets but I was quoted 160usd shipping for 2 cartons, is there a way you could combine shipping in the same box? I'm willing to wait longer if it means lower shipping cost
Additionally, when is typically the biggest sale of the year for yuanan? Is there a discount on all products or only a select few
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Our carbon spoke wheelsets group purchase is still ongoing. Please contact me directly via email or WhatsApp. Email address: sales@yuananbike.com/Whatsapp: (+86) 15738374372.
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FYI
Relubricate the drive side bearing! Mine did run really rough at 300km/180mi with one wet ride.
Theres almost no protection against moisture for the outer bearing.
I contacted Leon with this problem, only with the answer that they will look into it. No solution after >4 weeks.
A little bit of grease from the factory could protect the bearing.
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I've ordered some wheels from him. Which ones did you have?
Did you ping him again? usually he's quite responsive
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UNI 50 with carbon spokes.
I fixed the problem myself so no i didn't contact him again.
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UNI 50 with carbon spokes.
I fixed the problem myself so no i didn't contact him again.
Thanks. I also ordered those but with other spokes and RD13. I hope he did pass the message. I'll let u know when I get mine how they are coming
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I'm very sorry for the lack of timely response to some minor questions. Since I am really busy sometimes, you can contact me again and I will try my best to reply as soon as possible.
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Hello dear friends, have a nice day! As the carbon wheelsets market continues to evolve, our factory is ready to start building a new batch of carbon wheelset molds. What is your Dream carbon wheelset? Please give your suggestions generously, including carbon wheelset type, inner and outer width, weight requirements, spokes and hubs, etc. Effective and practical suggestions will be adopted and surprise gifts will be given to you! Please actively participate! Thank you very much for your suggestions!
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Hello dear friends, have a nice day! As the carbon wheelsets market continues to evolve, our factory is ready to start building a new batch of carbon wheelset molds. What is your Dream carbon wheelset? Please give your suggestions generously, including carbon wheelset type, inner and outer width, weight requirements, spokes and hubs, etc. Effective and practical suggestions will be adopted and surprise gifts will be given to you! Please actively participate! Thank you very much for your suggestions!
Integration of the dual ratchet system in lower end wheelsets would be lovely. :)
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Perfect, love talking about rim design.
My ideal wheelset:
Let start with the general shape of the rim profiles. Elilptical like the scope rims in the attachment. This is critical in the front rim. This profile provides a great balance of speed and stability and is used by dt swiss/swiss side who make very fast wheels as well as specialised on their very fast roval rapide clx II, though scope claim theirs are even faster. The idea is that the cross section of the tire and rim combined forms an ellipse. It works well both when the airflow hits it for the first time and the tire is the leading edge and rim the trailing edge and when it hits it a second time when the rim is the leading edge and the tire the trailing edge. A V shape does the first well, but absolutelly terrible at the second.
Hubs and spokes:
Obviously deep aero carbon spokes. The hub interface should be something similar to farsports, scope, crw, etc. Basically replicating a regular straight pull hub but with carbon spokes. This is safer because the spokes wont pop out in case of rapid tension loss, lighter and smaller so more aero. H-works make great hubs like these and aparently dt swiss are moving into this area as well. The spoke to rim interface should have an external nipple like the new superteam wheels, so its possible to true the wheel from the outside with a mounted tire. This makes servicing easier and allows you to true more accurately. It also means you don't need spoke access holes in the rim bed so no need for rim tape. Ideally you would have as much of the nipple still hidden, showing just enough to be able to work on them.
Front wheel:
50-55 mm deep, from the development white papers I've seen, 50 mm is around when a wheel can start taking advantage of the sailing effect at higher yaws. 21-22 mm internal width and 30-31 mm external width at the rim edge. That way you can put 25 or 28c tires on without them balooning beyond their labeled size and they will stay narrower than the rim giving the best chance to form the aforementioned ellipse. As low a spoke count as is feasible to reduce weight and improve aerodynamics. Stiffness isn't as critical in the front as it is in the back.
Rear wheel:
60-70 mm deep, 24mm internal width and 34-35 mm external width. This one is way wider because the air is so messed up by the time it gets to the rear tire that width matters a lot less for aerodynamics as their biggest impact is when providing a sailing thrust effect in crosswinds. Therefore we can mount a wider tire for improved comfort, rolling resistance and puncture protection. Elliptical shape is probably still ideal but less critical as the first time air will hit the tire is at the seat tube where airflow is all kinds of messed up, so optimising the design for when the air hits it the second time could be more beneficial. Tire should still be notably narrower than the rim. Spoke count should be higher, probably 20-24 spokes. Ratchet hubs with dt swiss compatible internals.
Obviously everything should be as light as possible :D
Edit: also no wavy rims, their only benefit is better cross wind stability by reducing the stall angle of the wheel i.e. the airflow is so messed up that it doesn't even push the rim anymore, meaning you lose the sailing effect. This is unneccessay with good eliptical profiles because they can enable the flow to have a smooth transition from one side to the other.
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I think the trend towards wider rims is great. I currently ride a 70mm deep / 35mm wide external. I honestly do not see the need for a different front and rear profile, unless the cost is not a big deal and you would need a different mold anyway. My only complaint about that wheelset is weight as that much carbon makes for a heavy rim, and I wasnt sure about the rims so i was unwilling to buy nicer hubs. They are shockingly stable in crosswinds and far as I can tell very fast.
The Roval Rapide has emerged as the benchmark design and for good reason. I personally, would not want a narrower front wheel as I think stability with a wider foil is very effective at helping keep the power down even in cross winds. If you have the ability to looking at managing steering moments via CFD as well as outright aero, I think that would really help.
To stand out, and maybe provide a minor aero advantage, I would use a paired spoke arrangement like Rolf Prima and Corima used to do, but with aero carbon spokes. I think the carbon spokes and potentially restricting the design deeper than 50mm or 60mm would result in a stiffer rim that may overcome some of the structural challenges with paired spokes. Maybe you could also build internal structures to help spread the loads effectively and manage overall material.
I really like the ideas that are coming out in terms of hubs. I would consider, but dont know the drawbacks of putting the nipples on the hub side for adjustment. I also like fully captured spokes that allow me to stop in the case of breaking 1-2 spokes. Serviceability and bearing life are really important to me. I need to be able to true the wheels and I would hope that the bearings would last at least 10,000 miles / 16,000 km of riding in all weather before needing replacement.
I also dislike wavy rims. Also please make them hooked with a tubeless retention shelf.
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i would say 32mm wide, 50mm deep. Or even 34mm wide. I guess a vote on the forum could be useful.
I think 50mm is deep enough without being too deep for most guys in most situations. If you sell a lot to women & small riders, then maybe a shallower version too.
if 32mm wide, 30C tyre is probably idea, but you can probably be fine with both a 28C as well as 32C.
If 34mm wide, you can put 30 or 32C and should have a perfect tyre to rim transition.
I think steel bearings are fine because to my best knowledge, ceramic bearings for cycling applications make no sense.
No wavy rims.
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We want hooked rims! Hookless is a terrible trend. I agree about rim width - 34mm is pretty good for 30-32mm tires. 60-70mm deep is fine. Lots of shallow rims in the market - don't make another one!
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Hello dear friends, have a nice day! As the carbon wheelsets market continues to evolve, our factory is ready to start building a new batch of carbon wheelset molds. What is your Dream carbon wheelset? Please give your suggestions generously, including carbon wheelset type, inner and outer width, weight requirements, spokes and hubs, etc. Effective and practical suggestions will be adopted and surprise gifts will be given to you! Please actively participate! Thank you very much for your suggestions!
First of all props to you Leon for doing a market benchmark. Means you are smart and also doing it by feeling through what people say is what people do.
My 2 cents are the following. 1 improve your website, 2 have some fully prebuilt options rather than leaving everything for the end user (most won't understand much than
a) how they look,
b) how much they weight
c) how much they cost
d) how deep they are
Yes, you'll always have people who want fully custom bla bla bla. That's about creating and developing a super nice wheel online configurator. Much better that lightbycicle. Text me if you need help on this.
Anyway market seems to follow the trend:
1- Wavy and non wavy wheels
2- Light. Weight matters
3- Different carbon layups
4- Medium low noise hubs
5- Larger outter width. Minimum most people use nowadays is 28, and most are shifting to 30 and 32 - the larger the frame allows. Internal width minimum 21.
6- Rim brakes u probably know best the market but not sure it's worth any development in that direction.
7- Stiffness/spokes confort vs Stiffness vs maintenance
8- Dropshipping/warehouse inside the EU for faster delivery and receiving.
9- wheels for ebikes with some bits and bytes
This is a mix between business advice and wheel but I think u get the point. This industry is not so focused on this. Opportunity is not in the wheels itself;)
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Thank you very much for your enthusiastic and practical suggestions. I will study your suggestions and provide feedback to our factory. Let’s look forward to the new lighter, wider inside and outside, dual ratcheting system, and deeper mixed-depth road/gravel carbon wheelset.
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Thank you very much for your enthusiastic and practical suggestions. I will study your suggestions and provide feedback to our factory. Let’s look forward to the new lighter, wider inside and outside, dual ratcheting system, and deeper mixed-depth road/gravel carbon wheelset.
Would love to see that in an updated x weave.