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Pricing Sheet for Chinese Builds Tldr: Linked spreadsheet is what I used to determine what I should buy, few different price points. Also I have a collection of discount codes

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fy4op-Zab2_uQ7Q71fPE9zrVnLoIcBQjucV7uYBvkPY/edit

I have gone down the rabbit hole and collected my findings in one sheet so that others could benefit from it. My goal years ago when I started dreaming was to have a $3000 build that outclassed entry level 105 equipped bikes from the mainstream brands. The sheet does not include pedals and saddle cost, mainly because they will transfer between bikes.A few criteria guided my decision
1. Brands must have card payments or Paypal Transfer… Bank transfer to China too sketchy for me
2. I wanted something “aeroish” as I live in East Tennessee. All my rides have at least 1000 ft of climbing as a result
3. Groupset had to be from Shimano or SRAM. Merlin cycles has great group prices, and I did not want to be a LTWOO test subject. I settled on Shimano 105 due to budget.

This really narrowed it down to the “Mainstream” China Brands like Winspace, Yoeleo and ICAN. To me personally Winspace was always my #1 choice, but after they increased the prices with the T1550 released I looked at cheaper options. This Black Friday I started to pull the trigger and got the T1550 with bar and Hyper 2023s for $2205 after another 10% off with discount code. Honestly I could have saved some money if I got the Hyper SE wheels, but hell with it. FYI, I know there are many frugal KINGS in this forum who will point out how I could have saved $ here and there, but I wanted a straightforward build with no scary china shipping limbo. Hope this helps any newbies out there, and feel free to ask questions. Hopefully it will be assembled by the end of January. Special thanks to everyone in the forum for guidance and knowledge I have learned. I will update the “Actual Build” column after I finish buying everything.
December 17, 2023, 04:06:16 PM 		8
Re: Two new Winspace frames coming (soon?) Wow, the Agile is listed on their site for $1980. Unbelievable
January 21, 2024, 12:33:12 PM 		1
Re: Two new Winspace frames coming (soon?) Maybe this is why Joe left Winspace, he new this was about to be a dud on paper
January 21, 2024, 04:24:42 PM 		1
Re: Winspace T1550 new frame?
Quote from: patliean1 on January 25, 2024, 01:57:45 PM
32c tires technically do fit.

Wheels: 30mm external, 23 internal
Tires: 32c GP5000 S TR, actual measured width 32.5mm

Fork: 2mm clearance all sides.
Chainstays: about <2mm of clearance.
Seatstay: about 2mm.

On perfectly dry and debris-free roads it probably could work. However, I would add some frame protection to prevent tire scruffs. And I wouldn't run any wheel narrower than 23mm internal. The bulbous effect of 32c tires a 19-21mm internal wheel would for sure cause rubbing.

A great compromise is a 28c tires on 23mm internal wheels because it plumps the tire to 30mm. This is what I run on all my road bikes.

Thank you for the excellent answer.

I am about to build up my T1550 with 23 HYPERS. Which is 21 mil Internal, so I should probably stick with 28 or maybe if I want a little more comfort 30mm
January 25, 2024, 05:26:04 PM 		1
Re: Patty's Long Rant and Guide To Affordable Frames
Quote from: Wildh24 on January 27, 2024, 08:51:15 AM
Which Europe sellers are folding?  I haven't really been following the market closely?

I think the largest one is Wiggle, which is going into some European form of bankruptcy.
January 27, 2024, 09:00:51 AM 		1
Winspace T1550 Build Not many people post photos of their completed bikes on here, but I always enjoy the posts. So I wanted to post my recently completed build on here, and share how much I spent. A lot of builds on here are really balling on a budget but I really purchased from mainstream vendors for less sketchiness, build came out to $3,288 assembled by my LBS

Mechanics first "Chinese" build at the bike shop, he was very impressed with the quality and noted that the internal cable routing gave him no problems. All of the workers at the bike shop where really interested in the build and none had ever heard of Winspace. This really shows how obscure this forum is, we are so far away from mainstream. He did ride it and was super impressed with it, I told them how my goal was to create an entry level roadbike, but have carbon wheels at the same price point.

8.1 kgs with everything, 17.85 lbs

Frame: Winspace T1550 ($1230 Black Friday)
Wheels: Winspace 2023 Hypers D45 ($1049 Black Friday)
Bar: Winspace Zero SL 380 W 105 L ($171 Black Friday)
Groupset: Shimano 105 R7120 Disc ($688 Merlincycles)
Tires: Conti GP 5000 ($130)
Tubes: Ride Now TPU 36g ($25)
Seat: Specialized Power Comp (Free: Old Bike)
Pedals: Shimano 105 SPD-SL (Free: Old Bikes)
Shop Assembly- $240
February 07, 2024, 02:33:25 PM 		14
Re: Winspace T1550 Build
Quote from: Froglover825 on February 07, 2024, 06:36:54 PM
Just out of curiosity what country?
I have a feeling that winspace and chinese brands in general haven't penetrated the non english speaking market as strongly.

Knoxville TN, United States. Most of the people who I have ran into riding here seem to be older. Less exposure to the corners of internet
February 07, 2024, 07:15:46 PM 		3
Re: Winspace T1550 Build
Quote from: Yunglord on February 07, 2024, 10:09:40 PM

Let us know how you find 12 spd mechanical!

My previous bike was spec'd with Shimano Claris 8 speed, and let me tell you coming from that 12s seems excessive. I honestly think 10 speed is probably all you would ever need, so I would guide the forum to save money and buy the now "old" 11 speed groupsets at lower prices. The 11-34 cassette is absolutely ridiculous, and once it wears out I will be going down to a 11-30. Previous Claris cassette was 11-28, and I was able to make it up all the mountains here in east TN. What is nice with going from 8-12 is that the jumps between cogs are much smaller, which I never realized would be that big of a deal. I feel like the only time I would ever use the 34T is if I was bonking hard
February 08, 2024, 07:52:09 AM 		3
Re: Project "Purple Rain" Beautiful!
February 18, 2024, 12:10:54 PM 		1
Re: Tavelo Aero Frame The price is extremely disappointing, and I would even start to argue against the spirit of this forum. I think many people on this forum want high-quality carbon frames for less than mainstream brands and at that price point you might as well buy a specialIzed Or a giant or a Trek
May 04, 2024, 07:11:21 PM 		2