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Re: Carbonda frame DIY paint: Raw Finish, or Standarde Matte finish?
FWIW, i ghetto painted a velobuild frame that i got at "primer" stage. It was primer with high spots sanded. I ended up re-priming so that the primer would be a solid coat, because i was getting bleed through otherwise. Paint is finicky. Cost me less than 30 eur for primer, 2 colours (the black is metallic, it's quite nice) and a cheap top coat (couldn't find 2K locally).
Given the effort involved, i'm happy with the result. Barely any sanding needed, because i got the frame at primer stage.

Before, after, and the bike i wanted to emulate.

Nice! Carbonda refuses to send me one at the primer stage. I have to pick one or the other.

July 06, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
its weird when you look at the linkage and how the rear shock connection to the seat stays is a straight line to the shock for both the 2020 evo and the 2021 epic.

the epic running a 52.5mm stroke getting 100mm stated travel

the evo running a 51mm stroke shock getting 110mm travel

how is this possible?  I'm guessing the longer chainstay 433 vs 438 increases the leverage ratio?

could anyone verify the actual chain stay length on this frame stated length appears to be 438.


thanks for the tip about making a 190mm x 40mm lux into a 45mm thats nice since thats the shock i ordered :)

Yup, this one is almost a “hybrid” of both: the Epic’s structure, but the EVO’s standard linkage style. I’m guessing it’s because they didn’t want to add an additional set of bearings, and/or deal with the additional rear triangle flex and fatigue. It’s probably cheaper to keep it Epic rather than try to emulate the technology / carbon layup of the EVO.

July 12, 2023, 11:40:29 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
Is the sid luxe that you used for specialized only or can you use a normal 190x45?

He’s using a stock 190x45. You can see it in his photo.

July 21, 2023, 10:53:40 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone My frame from All Star Cycling (AWST) has arrived!

I also had them send their 0 offset seatpost, i’m going to try that for some time.

Photos attached. Paint finish is pretty good! 2 knocks, first is that the paint is too high up for my seatpost clamp. I’ll have to sand/shave that down. Second downside I see is the rear rotor is SCARY close to my rear brake mount. Like, less than a mm. Frame weight with hardware attached is 1920 grams. For the color and finish, I can’t complain! unfortunately, shock hardware is pretty irrelevant to what I need. I’ll follow up with the correct size and where to procure.

I did also order an Epic Evo chainstay protector, headtube cable port rubber grommet, and the mylar tape for the down tube from my local Specialized dealer.

August 06, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
Frame finally showed up. Looks good to me!

Awesome, join the club!! Now let’s get you some real spacers lol.

I’m think the best pick for this set are the IGUS bushing sets that can found on Aliexpress. MUQZI makes an 8mm x 22mm that need to be sanded down to fit.

Alternatively, Fox does make a 8x20mm IGUS kit.

August 10, 2023, 08:15:04 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
Yes, I had to add a spacer ring of about 2.5 millimeters under the upper bearing cap.


A visit to a local bike shop and a buck later, I got exact what I needed, thanks! I was worried I need a more proprietary headset.

The build is finally complete :D  ::) This was my worst performance when it came to barb and olive installation, I screwed up 2 times, equaling about 15mm of lost hose length on an already short hose. but the ICR plastic insert puts enough pressure to allow me to cinch some shift cable into the frame for an equal length to the hose… this is the crap I obsess over.

The final ride fits me great. Size L for a 183cm, 170 lbs man. 50mm oneup stem.

I used a 150mm OneUp dropper with an OG Wolftooth lever.
SLX 7100 brakes modded for bite point adjust
XX1 shift set
SROAD rainbow 10-50 cassette
YBN waxed 12spd chain
Generic Eagle crankset
XT 8100 pedals
780 OneUp bars with Ergon GA3 grips
Fox float DPS 45mm rear shock
SID Select+ 120 fork
Fake Roval Traverse SL wheelset (LB rims on the new 350s)
Aliexpress rainbow centerline rotors
SRAM housing for the dropper and shifter.

I think that’s it… for any future builders of this frame, feel free to hit me up with any questions, I can answer pretty much anything about this AWST frame.

September 02, 2023, 01:21:20 PM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
maybe someone is ready to write a new long-term review?

suspicious silence about the operating experience of this frame

We’re too busy riding em!!! Will catch up on this thread soon and share some my experience, been great so far.

December 04, 2023, 12:17:08 AM
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Re: Epic Evo Clone
My frame arrived without a hole for an internal dropper cable. Has anyone else had this happen, and/or how to handle this if I want an internal cable -- break out a drill?

Lol! How is that possible? They surely didn’t give you a new mold cast with no port available. Feed the cable from seat tube over the bb shell, and out the triple hose port on the left.

December 06, 2023, 12:41:45 PM
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Re: XC Marathon Fully with... Drops? Advice?
I have ridden 420mm flared gravel bars but tbh i was more in aw of the comfort of the grx hoods…

but Yea i think the reality is setting in that im probably gonna need both a fully XC and a gravel bike … was hoping i could combine the two but here we are

n+1 afterall

Have I got 2 resources for you.

This is my contribution to this topic, but the post near the start from user Upcountry was what inspired my build. https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/drop-bar-mtb-geo/87495/167?u=kactusdog


And then, read the essays on this written by Torsten Frank. See here: https://torstenfrank.wordpress.com/2023/03/26/dropbar-mtb-teil-1-warum-gravel-immer-mehr-zu-mtb-offroad-wird-und-welches-rad-ich-mir-dafur-gebaut-habe/

Let me know what you think!

Here’s my build in progress. Size medium spcycle Epic clone running XPLR mechanical from my previous gravel bike, dub wide cranks with an AXS road 8 bolt 40t chainring (8mm offset). Flared bars, 40cm on the tops, 48mm in the drops.




April 16, 2024, 11:22:56 PM
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