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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: ultreia on August 20, 2021, 02:27:43 AM
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Hello, I am looking for a new integrated handlebar.
I would like to have a good and light integrated handlebar with internal routing. Also if it is not too expensive, it will be the best!
I have some options The One (any of you know a reliable place to buy and the real factory name?) and Farsports F1 (https://www.farsports.com/products/f1-handlebar-98)(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6823)
Also I found this one at Aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001818231469.html . It is not so cheap like the bad copies and it is a copy of Deda Alanera DCR, a really good copy. I love this handlebar but I don´t like the copies... Most of the time they are really bad built.
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6825)
Do you have any other options? Opinions on this handlebars?
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I have the F1. It is great. Only issue is that its OD2 sizing so you need to use a spacer for the normal fork tube. Only downside.
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fwiw the one doesnt have full internal routing, its design is a little bit of a mystery.
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fwiw the one doesnt have full internal routing, its design is a little bit of a mystery.
Yes, you are right! I think that I should remove from the list. Really I only trust Farsports F1 at this moment...
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IIRC, this is "the one": https://www.lightcarbon.com/new-road-integrated-carbon-fiber-handlebar-international-cable-routing_p115.html
I've owned a different handlebar (HBR07) from Light Carbon and it was very high quality.
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HBR07 looks very good and compatible with https://www.bicycle.engineering/products/ich. The cable routing is in front of the fork tube.
The cable routing I would like to achieve is:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6857)
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After checking with frame brand, they told me that I could use the Token Cable Box also as reference, it means. ACR will work with the ICH system but it looks weird (ACR stems are larger than spacers I already have at ICH) and Token Cable Box is much more similar to ICH.
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After checking with frame brand, they told me that I could use the Token Cable Box also as reference, it means. ACR will work with the ICH system but it looks weird (ACR stems are larger than spacers I already have at ICH) and Token Cable Box is much more similar to ICH.
Are you thinking about going with the entire Handlebar/Stem/Headset set-up for the Token Box?
I went back and forth with those guys for over a month. I wanted to just try to see if I could get the headset to work with everything that came with my frame, they said it wouldn't work, and basically would not sell me just their headset. Fine I said, I'll put in and order for the entire set-up, told them which compatible handlebar and stem I wanted to go with, but they never got back to me about how I was actually supposed to purchase it.
Maybe if I had chose their $600 handlebars...
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To who you asked? Token?
I talked with ARC8 designers. The thing is the next.
This is how it looks now:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6879)
This is a Token stem with spacers and token box system:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6875)
This is the F1:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6877)
It looks like they almost could fit. The Token Box is an example of a handlebar stem that could fit my system. The problem is that an integrated handlebar could look very ugly if you don´t fit the spacers well.
Also LightCarbon HBR07 could fit: https://www.lightcarbon.com/carbon-road-integrated-aero-handlebar_p21.html
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You cant go wrong with the f1, but its $300-$400. You can probably buy one from lightcarbon lightbicycle etc etc for $100-$150 and get good enough quality.
Those who own the f1, hows the flex on it? Watch oz cycles yoeleo bar flex for comparison, my r12 flexes at about that as his yoeleo bars but the flex could be from the steerer tube for all i know. Id hope for $300-$400 youd be able to throw it off a building and itd just laugh at the concrete.
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I can't remember who exactly I emailed. I filled out their contact form on their website and somebody responded, then referred me to one of their service/tech/sales guys. Communication was terrible once it went to the service/tech/sales.
The Cable Box system is designed to run the cables and brake lines through the handlebars and through a hole in the back, then through the stem, then down the front of the steerer and into the head tube, just like the FSA ACR system. Their super expensive integrated handlebars is basically hollow through the bars and stem. Their separated handlebar/stem combos come in different flavors of alloy and carbon fiber, but they all work the same way. Some of the Chinese manufactures like ICAN used to ship frames with the ACR FSA system. I'm sure they would work with the Token, but there wouldn't be a reason to move away from the FSA ACR in the first place.
I think the system will work with the generic Chinese integrated handlebars. The magic is in that sweet compression ring that separates the cables and brake lines. The only question would be if there is enough space down the from of the Chinese stems for the lines and cables to separate. I seriously doubt the Token Spacers would work with a generic Chinese integrated handlebar and headset cover. That was the issue. The point being, Token didn't even give me a chance to try the headset bearings and compression ring with the Chinese headset cover and spacers.
FSA, on the other hand, was super helpful. I'm running an FSA ACR headset with my generic Chinese handlebars/spacers/Headset cover. Works great.
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Don´t understand me wrong. My problem is not related with the headset itself but with the spacers + handlebar look. I mean, does it almost match the spacers?
As you can see in the pictures, Token Cable Box spacers are much more similar to my system than the FSA ACR. Basically all three systems ARC8 ICH, FSA ACR and Token Cable Box are the same (cables in front fork tube) but the thing is the spacers. FSA ACR is wider than Token Cable Box spacers, so it won´t look nice. This is the only problem, the looking.
This is the stem I have, so the integrated handlebar must be almost the same sizes like this... almost:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6883)
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6881)
I don´t want to go for Token Cabel Box even more after knowing that they copied the desing from ICH...
If you see the lightcarbon HBR07 looks pretty similar but without real sizes, who knows. I will ask them:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6887)
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6885)
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@ultreia - sorry to take this a slightly different direction: do you have recommendations for decent stems that allow for integrated cabling? The FSA ACR and Deda stems seem mega heavy. The ARC8 stem I couldn't find data on, nor for sale. I like the idea of having a separate stem and bar for travel, adjustability, and repairs, but little sense of stem options at the moment.
Thanks!
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@ultreia - sorry to take this a slightly different direction: do you have recommendations for decent stems that allow for integrated cabling? The FSA ACR and Deda stems seem mega heavy. The ARC8 stem I couldn't find data on, nor for sale. I like the idea of having a separate stem and bar for travel, adjustability, and repairs, but little sense of stem options at the moment.
Thanks!
The thing is that ACR8 stem + handlebar is a very good solution. In my case I need a new stem 110, I have the 100 size and it weights 127g with clamps and bolts. I think it is not so heavy but also no light. I would say that changing the bolts, you could get a better weight (using Ti bolts... but I didn´t try). The solution is "perfect" you could use wathever handlebar you want and the stem will work with it.
For total internal you need an ACR handlebar (holes is bigger and you could have hydraulic hoses + other cables, example FSA ACR handlebars), for di2 internal only PRO handlebars with small hole for DI2 cable.
See how it looks with a normal handlebar without holes, pretty clean!
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=6908)
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That's a lovely solution, because it looks like you can take the handlebar off for travel, say in an EVOC bag.
Do you know if the ARC8 stem can be bought anywhere?
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That's a lovely solution, because it looks like you can take the handlebar off for travel, say in an EVOC bag.
Do you know if the ARC8 stem can be bought anywhere?
From Spain, you could contact: https://www.megamo.com/
From Switzerland, you could contact: https://www.arc8bicycles.com/
Solution was developed by: https://www.bicycle.engineering/
The stem is compatible with front fork cable routing: ICH, Token Cable Box and ACR but ACR is a bit wider, so it won´t look so nice.
I am just looking for an integrated handlebar, because its look is nicer but this solution is a very good one. I don´t like the look of the clamps and the limitation of handlebar shape due to the clamp (most aero flat bars are incompatible with this solution due the clamps).
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What a deception with Lightcarbon. Its handlebar quality is poor from my point of view and also it weights more than expected. A handlebar with an expected weight of 365+10, weights 440 grams!!! Not a good option.
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Have you seen VeloBuild have released a separate Bar/Stem combo that works with all their frames? It was only released in the last 2 days and is on their site here:
http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem (http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem)
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Have you seen VeloBuild have released a separate Bar/Stem combo that works with all their frames? It was only released in the last 2 days and is on their site here:
http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem (http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem)
I'd be curious to know if they'd sell the headset/spacer/stem without the bars. There's a market for that, with and without the bars.
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The justification from Lightcarbon about the increased weight is that they didn´t update the website and now they have increased the weight because the lightweight version doesn´t pass the test.
Amazing these guys!
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They updated the site, no 365 grams anymore:
(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=7447)
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Hi guys,
I've got the VeloBuild HB011 bar (http://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing-300 (http://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing-300)) and am looking at getting the OG Evkin CM005S computer mount (https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005002400491495.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.45fcccbey2vOGK (https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005002400491495.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.45fcccbey2vOGK))
Can anyone recommend if this should work out of the box or if any other parts (maybe spacers?) will be needed for the bar and computer mount to play nicely?
If anyone has other CM recommendations please feel free to drop them in here :)
**EDIT** If anyone is interested, my 90/400 HB011 weighs in at 304g, and measures 390mm at the hoods and 400mm at the drops
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Wow, nice handlebar! Really only 304? I would like to know more about the complete geometry of the handlebar. I think I will ask for more details to velobuild.
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Hi guys,
I've got the VeloBuild HB011 bar (http://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing-300 (http://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing-300)) and am looking at getting the OG Evkin CM005S computer mount (https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005002400491495.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.45fcccbey2vOGK (https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005002400491495.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.6.45fcccbey2vOGK))
Can anyone recommend if this should work out of the box or if any other parts (maybe spacers?) will be needed for the bar and computer mount to play nicely?
If anyone has other CM recommendations please feel free to drop them in here :)
**EDIT** If anyone is interested, my 90/400 HB011 weighs in at 304g, and measures 390mm at the hoods and 400mm at the drops
Yeah, gonna need spacers for sure, and I don't even see the bolts needed to mount it to the bars on the package list. I'm sure it has to come with both or it's unusable out of the box. Can you contact the vendor to ask?
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I would say that spacers are included for sure, what is not included is the mount. It depends on how the handlebar is, many of them could be installed out of the box without spacers, using normal round spacers (all of them at the end... ) but with a not nice looking.
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Chris told me tha Velobuild HB011 handlebar weights in 110-420 375 grams.
Not bad but not superlight.
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Yeah, gonna need spacers for sure, and I don't even see the bolts needed to mount it to the bars on the package list. I'm sure it has to come with both or it's unusable out of the box. Can you contact the vendor to ask?
Yeah I'm going to send them a message and see what they say.
I've also seen this one which looks quite nice: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001055265607.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.6ba179b7s8ecuY&algo_pvid=fee5b3d6-97dc-4467-b05a-412b360cbd19&algo_exp_id=fee5b3d6-97dc-4467-b05a-412b360cbd19-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2210000013844465525%22%7D (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001055265607.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.6ba179b7s8ecuY&algo_pvid=fee5b3d6-97dc-4467-b05a-412b360cbd19&algo_exp_id=fee5b3d6-97dc-4467-b05a-412b360cbd19-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2210000013844465525%22%7D)
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Have you seen VeloBuild have released a separate Bar/Stem combo that works with all their frames? It was only released in the last 2 days and is on their site here:
http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem (http://www.velobuild.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem)
Have you asked for the weight?
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Has anyone found other stem options? The frame I'm looking at uses 1.5 to 1.5 ACR headset and I would like to use the Carbonda CGB01 handlebar fully integrated. It will be built with AXS so just needs to carry the brake lines.
http://www.carbonda.com/accessory/handlebar/123.html
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I am also looking for a solution. I would love an integrated bar, but I am open to a bar/stem. My issue is, I need a size 36 or 38 measured center to center.
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Hello everyone, I thought it could of your interest that lightcarbon has a stem that can be used with any handlebar and it is designed to be used with hidden cables frames.
I choose that stem when I purchased my frame from lightcarbon because I prefer the adjustability of separate stem and handlebars. I had several problems to route the cables inside of my frame due the small room available on the top spacer of the steerer but after a bit of a trim all run smooth now.
When I bought my frame the seller (very responsive and helpful) told me that in case that the stem that came with the frame wouldn't fit they sell the stems a part even if there is not shown on their web.
I posted in a thread about the gf002 explaining my problems and there you can see how it looks once the built is finished. http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3499.0.html
I hope you will find it useful
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Has anyone found other stem options? The frame I'm looking at uses 1.5 to 1.5 ACR headset and I would like to use the Carbonda CGB01 handlebar fully integrated. It will be built with AXS so just needs to carry the brake lines.
http://www.carbonda.com/accessory/handlebar/123.html
I'm looking at the same combo, I have already the CGB01 handlebars for two gravel, and look for stem options.
For the moment, I checked only FSA's offer.
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isnt the fsa acr system with the cables in the stem? which then go in the steerer tube?
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isnt the fsa acr system with the cables in the stem? which then go in the steerer tube?
That is what I understand yes.
With the top headset being 1.5 instead of 1.125
Anybody knows other stem options than FSA or lightcarbon ?
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There is a new successor to The One from Pro Cycling System called The One Pro.
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How about the Deda Superbox!
That is what I understand yes.
With the top headset being 1.5 instead of 1.125
Anybody knows other stem options than FSA or lightcarbon ?
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Vélo build also offer their stem for +/- 60$ if you message them.
http://www.velobuildmall.com/products/2021-new-carbon-handlebar-with-separate-stem
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The hole in the habdlebars to route the cable is tiny. If you are planning on running mechanical, it might cause headaches.
There is a new successor to The One from Pro Cycling System called The One Pro.
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So has anyone tried the ICH stem on their 099 or 168?
Also is there any way of attaching a computer mount to it? Arc8 only sell bikes with the ICH stem, but also sell a computer mount ... I don't see how it would attach though.
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Here is the stem
https://www.arc8bicycles.ch/shop/parts/arc8-ich-stem
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Here is the stem
https://www.arc8bicycles.ch/shop/parts/arc8-ich-stem
The gallery wasn't working for me before. It is now from my phone. I guess there are mounting points on the bottom for an out front mount.
Question still stands though ... Has anyone done it with the 099 or 168? I guess ACR headset and the Arc8 spacer stack would be the way to go. It's pretty light and the 70mm and 80mm attract me.
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I've always liked the look of these "flattened" stems. Not many brands seem to do it, only Basso and Look come to my mind
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We have new drops from ProCyclingSystem!
The One carbon handlebar, The One carbon stem, The One alloy stem, and The One plastic bottle cage. Now all they need to release are a seatpost and saddle. Maybe a carbon bottle cage too while they're at it.
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Those carbon stems look almost identical to the OG Evkin ones, but with a different front plate. Also appear to be heavier.
The carbon bar .... why super short reach if you're going to give it conventional 125drop in all sizes. Makes no sense. Also it's very heavy.
Alu stems and bottle cages nothing special. None of the stems are integrated.
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Where can you buy these?
I for one welcome short reach bars. I'm in the long legs/short upper body category, so pretty much all frames have too much reach for me. I'd need an XL for stack but XS for reach, so I can use a normal sized stem, and not end up wit weird handling.
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Where can you buy these?
I for one welcome short reach bars. I'm in the long legs/short upper body category, so pretty much all frames have too much reach for me.
Yeah, me too. So why then give it normal drop in even the two smallest sizes when you've given it pretty much the smallest reach on the market. That elusive niche where riders can reach further low than they can out in front? It makes little sense if you're doing an ULR bar in all sizes with normal drop in all sizes. If someone wants 126mm drop even in the smallest sizes they're unlikely to want such incredibly short reach ...
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I am also fine with short reach and rather normal drop.
For the same reason... and I am flexible in the body so I like to go down and make myself as small as possible.
I bought one combined stem/handlebar from the one at Aliexpress last year. Nice thing, has a great design.
When I now checked they got horrible expensive.
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We have new drops from ProCyclingSystem!
The One carbon handlebar, The One carbon stem, The One alloy stem, and The One plastic bottle cage. Now all they need to release are a seatpost and saddle. Maybe a carbon bottle cage too while they're at it.
(https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/185604252/O1CN01QFTl0c1hHSk6iWzvP_!!185604252.jpg)
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Does ProCyclingSystems have a website? I cant seem to find any other information online.
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Does ProCyclingSystems have a website? I cant seem to find any other information online.
I haven't been able to find any Chinese social media of theirs let alone a website. Just fyi anything from these guys isn't considered as good as say Farsports in terms of quality/durability.
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I would say that the TheOne A1 stem is the same like Kalloy Uno stem.
You can see this at: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33058162085.html
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Did you see the new The One Pro 2022? Very good looking handlebar!
(http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3375.0;attach=10992;image)
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005004073857036.html
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Around 400 grams, a bit heavy...
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Word of warning about the ICH stem as used by Arc8.
Bought one for my VB-099 build. They're unusable with aero bars, despite no warning about that. You might think the clamps are split and can be widened, but they're a contiguous oval(ish). You can't slide them over the flattened section of either the aero bar I'd bought, or any that the LBS had in stock. Round (and not oversized sections) bars only.
Awful design. Supposed to give you a choice of whatever bar you want. But only if it's slim and round ::)
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just found this TOSEEK version of the UCI banned Speeco Aero Breakaway handlebar!
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Sd665300d4a94448d9cd99a6bd691c35bN.jpg)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004630147718.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1e2a7aaakhDBjX&algo_pvid=a5ac612f-6466-4349-9bb2-060355dff921&algo_exp_id=a5ac612f-6466-4349-9bb2-060355dff921-20&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029900794753%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21620.0%21378.2%21%21%2115.71%21%21%402101e9ce16614200874462452e4b68%2112000029900794753%21sea&curPageLogUid=Q60dCXKnqdPB