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Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame

Regarding the topic of facing the caliper mounts (and subsequently the bottom bracket and headset opening) I spoke to a professional bike mechanic earlier today, who mostly deals with high-end bikes for competitive racing of all disciplines. He says it's very common for new frames from major brands to arrive needing to be faced. Do what you want with this information LoL
 

To me this indicates it’s just another thing to expect in general when building a bike, regardless of manufacturer.   In the pile with potentially creaky bottom brackets and headsets, and sliding seat posts

August 12, 2022, 12:20:23 PM
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Re: Spcycle New Mold G056 Carbon Gravel Frame
Would strongly agree with having an option for external cable routing. Even just having the simple plate cover /Di2 port / cable port option present on other frames would be a big benefit for me. I've personally turned down many frames due to being forced to go full internal.

I mean, how hard can it be? Just cut a few holes, mount a few cable ports, and you've suddenly greatly increased your market size :) eg. the Carbonda CFR 1056 offers the option to route internal/external, and the last I've heard, everyone's happy with how their cables are run.

We can't cut holes in the frame. But a headset cover is being designed. All cables will enter the frame from the holes in the headset cover.

August 19, 2022, 08:33:36 PM
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Re: Head unit mount recommendations for integrated aero bars
I've also broken these carbon lollipop mounts before...not a fan of them. Here's what I use now:
https://www.amazon.com/Integrated-Handlebar-Computer-Compatible-Attachment/dp/B09V896BN6/ref=mp_s_a_1_21?crid=2LJ4UL9YPVSX5&keywords=integrated+bar+computer+mount+alloy&pscroll=1&qid=1660923275&sprefix=integrated+bar+computer+mount+alloy%2Caps%2C144&sr=8-21&wIndexMainSlot=25

It's 100x better and just looks and feels like a much higher quality product than the carbon ones I've tried. I also prefer the way the light is mounted on this one. Highly recommend. I remember seeing a titanium mount somewhere on Amazon as well, but that one was at least double the price of this one.

I actually have this added to my AliX wish list for the exact same reason - the set back position of the light/GoPro mount is much better.

August 19, 2022, 10:21:20 PM
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Re: Head unit mount recommendations for integrated aero bars Let’s see how this goes.

If this fails, I am buying this:
C$ 16.16  21% Off | HE11 Road Bike GPS Mount Garmin Computer Holder Bicycle Front Light Bryton Handlebar Extender for Garmin Edge 520 Plus 820 810
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msKf7s0

August 20, 2022, 02:03:23 PM
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Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame In my experience you have to be very clear with what you need an answer to, and be very proactive in the communication. Once shipped I got my order quite quickly: it was delivered in 9 days from Hong Kong to London. I went with XDB shipping and had a tracking code, all in all a good shipping experience.



As for my situation with the fork, Chris has forwarded the pictures I already shared here, as well as a short video I had of the fork to the engineers. I hope it can get resolved that way. Best case scenario they would send me a new fork, I can return the one in my posesssion if they would like that.

August 24, 2022, 07:33:07 AM
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Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
Anyone else had problems like this here in the forum?

Yeah I had this issue, was impossible to get the calipers to align properly as they were kinda twisted at an angle. I could get it so close, but never right. This week I took it in and got the mounts faced (cost $70 cad) and completely fixed it. Then I had the calipers set up and aligned in minutes.
At first I was a touch annoyed at Velobuild for not doing it at the factory. But since I have talked to a bunch of bike mechanics and they basically all said it’s just part of building up a brand new frame - regardless of price.
I think sometimes maybe we assume things aren’t done cause it’s a cheap frame from china. When in reality a lot of  these things and little issues are just industry wide. But when buying a complete bike, someone has already dealt with a resolved them. Obviously that’s just my opinion haha

August 26, 2022, 11:42:28 AM
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VB-177 vs VB-168: My Guide To Choosing A Frame Step One: Frequently Asked Questions
1 - Is the 177 lighter than the 168? YES.
2 - Is the 168 more aero than the 177? YES.
3 - Does the 177 have more flex than the 168? Probably, since it’s lighter…
4 - Is the 168 more stiff than the 177? Probably, since it’s heavier…
5 - Does this mean the 177 is a “flexy” frame overall? NO.
6 - Is the 168 one the stiffest frames you’ve tested? NO.
7 - Are both frames stable at high speeds? Road stability is not exclusive to the frame.

Bottom Line: The differences between the two frame are marginal at best. Especially for a $500 frame. There are more important aspects to your overall bike build to consider. 168 does in fact support 32c tires. The 177 (at least mine) does not. Maybe 30c max. This alone might be a deal breaker for the 177. The 177 uses is a standard seatpost which will be wildly easier to find on the open market for replacements.

Step Two: Geometry
VB 177 Geometry (Size 56/L)
Stack: 556
Reach: 395

VB 168 Geometry (Size 56/L)
Stack: 556
Reach: 398

VB 177 Geometry (Size 54/M)
Stack: 536
Reach: 392

VB 168 Geometry (Size 54/M)
Stack: 535
Reach: 388

Bottom Line: You should probably seek a professional bike fit if you’re uncertain. Geometry is similar for both frames, plus/minus a couple of millimeters in reach. I personally am not a fan of zero-degree setback seatposts. Neither frames are intended to fit all body types. I’m also not a fan of integrated handlebars either, since they limit adjustability later.

Step Three: Aerodynamics
Your wheel choice is one of the most critical areas where aerodynamics can be either saved or loss. The 177 paired with deep sectioned aero wheels will be faster on the flats than the 168 with shallow wheels. And the aerodynamic design of the 168 will inherently trump the lightweight of the 177 on the flats when paired with identical wheels.

Bottom Line: DO NOT SKIMP on your wheelset.

Step Four: Total System Weight
There is not enough emphasis put on total system weight (bike + rider + gear). Nothing wrong with having weight weenie tendencies, but 50-200 gram weight savings isn’t going to make the difference for anything below a World Pro Tour Race. See example below:

Bike:                                     7900g
Rider:                                  74000g
2 Water Bottles:                     1400g
Helmet/Gear/Ect:                   1000g

Total System Weight:           84300 grams (84.3kg)

Bottom Line: Striving to save even 100-200 grams (regardless of cost) is literally only like 0.25 percent of the total weight. 0.25 PERCENT. One-fourth of one percent. Also when it comes to wheels and frames...you WILL eventually be penalized on stiffness once the weight dips to a certain threshold.

Step Five: Road Stability
Your stem length and wheel choice play a pivotal role in stability at higher speeds. These aspects should be considered before asking the question of stability in general. Yes both frames are stable...but I run a 130mm stem paired with aero wheels at a depth (60-65mm) that is suitable for my weight (74kg).


Final thoughts - For the pursuit of speed (and even climbing) your wheel choice, position on the bike, tire/innertube/tubeless choice, and drivetrain efficiency all matter significantly more than simply comparing weight. The 177 is probably the better choice if bike fit is a concern, you absolutely need a climbing bike, and you don’t need clearance for wider tires. Some people may also prefer the "look" of the 177 which is totally understandable. For everyone else…168 is mostly likely the more reasonable choice. And this actually makes sense, since the Tarmac SL7 is supposed to be the one bike to rule them all.

Okay this guide took way longer than I anticipated. Time to suit up my party clothes, get some drinks in me, and hit the clubs. Have a great weekend.





August 26, 2022, 07:43:40 PM
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Re: I need new wheelset/gearset for my hand me down schwinn bike shaped object I bet it will take a bsa bottom bracket. It probably has a square taper bottom bracket right now.  Can you even fit 28mm tires on that frame? You will have to buy a new rear wheel to use 11 speed.   

  I'd personally would suggest just ride it as is unless there are worn out parts.  Save til you can do a new full build. I'm just assuming you haven't got tons of miles in yet. There is a ton of experience you'll aquire even on the bike as it is.

I've built up a low end bike and it still felt like a low end bike even with the better parts.

August 29, 2022, 11:44:40 AM
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Re: Looking for a proper CX frame - Not a gravel frame labeled as CX I have a cx frame that has qr and post mount disc brakes. I use novatec hubs on my going rowdy disc wheels because I can change them from 135 qr to 142x12 and use hg and xd cassettes. I built my cx 7 years ago. I really don't know of a thru axle and flat mount disc cx frame.  I know guys use v brake rim brake bikes for cx.  That way you can fit larger cx tires. 

I originally used 9 speed microshift forte on my cx with cable pull hydros. Right now it has shimano 685 shifters and 785 brakes with 46x30. I'm about to strip the groupset to use for another build. So it'll mostlikely be going back to the 9 speed or sensah 11 speed.

August 31, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
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Re: Velobuild GF-002
The carbonda quality is no doubt better than velobuild kd.


Why is there no doubt about this?

August 31, 2022, 04:19:50 PM
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