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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 10, 2024, 12:15:33 PM »
I asked them for the same painting Patrick Lino has and they said it's custom and 500$ extra. LMAO... adding a little black fade to their white frame is costly. Those guys are out of touch.

The main reason I chose my paint color was because Tavelo said my color (on my Attack frame) was standard option, and most other colors required an extra fee. I wonder if because the paint options for the new Arow are obviously different than the Attack. So it would have to be a one off paint job?

I'm gonna save my brand bashing for another day until I can get more insight. But $2000 frames, $500 paint options, no local support, and Chinese brands proving that optically they are not targeting the Western customers. A big brand purchase is making more and more sense now...

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 09, 2024, 11:56:13 AM »
Patty,
What are your current bikes in your arsenal? Is the T1500 the only one you keep around?

Current Fleet - This is abhorrent :o

Winspace T1500
'23 Giant Propel Advanced Pro
Tavelo Attack
'22 Specialized Allez Sprint
VeloBuild 268
Yishun R086D
Polygon Helios A8X

Still working through long-term thoughts on most of these, but the Allez Sprint needs to be sold soon.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 09, 2024, 09:43:06 AM »
The overwhelming majority of frames I've been able to review were paid for out of pocket. At full price. I would love to review the new SEKA Spear or Tavelo Arow, but the price point is difficult no matter how excited I am for both of them.

I've actually been saving up to purchase one of these frames or the Bross Zenith. However, earlier this week I was offered a deal on an SL8 Pro (non S-Works) frameset. It wasn't a huge discount, but enough to sway me away from Tavelo/Seka/Bross.

And this is the conundrum I see customers facing. Spend a little more to get local bike shop support and a western brand warranty.

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What's the difference between the QED chainrings, and the optional chainrings supplied with the PES? I'm trying to understand by Magene's QED video.

Are the QED rings similar to SRAM Red's one-piece design?

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I posted a picture here: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4605.msg58651.html#msg58651

They include clamps for both 7x9 and 7x7 by default. Currently, I'm using the 7x7 without any issues.

Yeah that's how my saddle rails are positioned too  :-\

I've done some longer endurance rides and a couple of spirited efforts, but no fast group rides/races yet. Not until I can resolve the clamp issue or source a saddle with 7x7 rails.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 05, 2024, 09:29:05 AM »
Tavelo is releasing an "Ultralight" version of their Arow for $2400. Yikes...

My Giant Propel Advanced Pro frameset cost me $3000 before tax. Even included carbon bottle cages designed for the frame  ;D. Granted their in-house carbon SLR stem cost $400, but you can totally find cheaper stems compatible with Giant's OD2 steer tubes.

Where it get's tricky though is you run the risk of voiding your warranty should you opt out of having the LBS build the bike, which is an additional cost.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 04, 2024, 07:37:16 PM »
Very fair point about the current pricing of both Winspace and Tavelo. But if they are both in fact sourced by Adapt, it's a shame we don't see more bike builds and conversations on their frames on this forum. Especially if we are to assume the quality/fit finish is nearly the same if true.

The question becomes:
1. Does Adapt not (easily) offer up B2C sales?
2. Are people generally just not interested in their frames?

If it's the latter then it's odd to use the Winspace open-mold talking point if people just aren't interested in Adapt's offerings to begin with.

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@Pat, which expander did you put in yours? I am curious since you did not report slippage at that point.

Neco Headset Expander - Size/length Large.

I never ever use the provided expander plug on any budget frameset.

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Update on my 268

Highs
-I love the Mavic thru-axle system. It's quite convenient actually. Being able to keep the axles in place when both transporting the bike and working on it on a mechanic stand is great.

-The bike is both stiff and nimble enough. I can't say there really is any discernible difference in stiffness compared to other bikes. Unless you are truly sprinting or climbing, there will be plenty of other variables in regards to maintaining any set speed.

-Visually I appreciate the frame design. Obviously because it looks like an SL7/Venge. Well rounded proportions. The sloping top tube gives the visual impression of an extreme saddle-to-handlebar drop versus a more horizontal top tube. More exposed seatpost (should?) also means more comfort as the seatpost has the ability to flex. 32c GP5000 tubeless fits no problem.

Lows
-Zero setback seatpost. It's not fully problematic for me, but I had to move my saddle back far more than I'm accustomed to. If this was my only road bike it would most likely be a deal breaker. A non-issue for most folks however.

-7x9 saddle clamp for carbon rails. On my particular clamp when using my AliExpress carbon saddle (7x9 rails), visually it does not appear as if the clamps are fully engaging with the rails. Other 268 owners with carbon saddles have not experienced this, and so far the saddle has stayed put. However, the saddle clamp bolt is now slightly bent from trying secure to the rails. Also a non-issue if you're using 7x7 rails as VB also supplies clamps for that too. Just something to be aware of.

-While the bike as a whole rides better than my previous VeloBuild frames, it does still suffer some from road chatter at the rear triangle. Rough pavement can upset the back end. Thankfully though still far better than my Dengfu R12 and TanTan x38 in this regard. This is completely subjective and anecdotal of course. Over the past few weeks I've made an effort to rotate riding each of my bikes everyday day to get a good feel on the differences and overall riding dynamics.

Closing
It's a great DIY bike at the price point so far. As always, wheel selection and bike fit/position will do most of the heavy lifting. If I could change anything it would be adding more reach to cockpit to offset the zero setback seatpost. Dear VeloBuild: Please make one for me thanks!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Seka Spear
« on: April 29, 2024, 01:50:22 PM »
That thread was a mess because folks have become too comfortable with personal attacks, rude comments, and low value replies. A trend I've also seen grow on this forum in the past year, but we all are free to choose where we spend our time online. No harm no foul.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this SEKA Spear release plays out. Some of the larger hurdles will be availability to the western world, fulfillment times, and post-sales customer support. Among whether or not the frame will actually be any good.

Currently I'm in the market for an SL8, but now I'm just gonna wait until the Spear, Tavelo Arow, and Bross Zenith get launched. $1500 and up Chinese frames can be a hard sell for some people, but I do think there is some value there if packaged correctly.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 19, 2024, 02:58:27 PM »
I can see that I am not the only one having issues with rear caliper mount. How do you guys manage it? Do you have any clever tips to align it? Usual methods i.e. tightening mounting bolts with a brake engaged with or without metal shim doesn't work.

Here are my steps, assuming after a fresh and proper brake bleed:

Step 1: Re-seat/Recess the pistons fully back into the caliper. Very important step.
Step 2: Loosen the caliper bolts.
Step 3: Firmly engage the brake to the rotor. I usually squeeze about 4-5 times to fully engage the pistons.
Step 4: Torque calipers bolts while brakes are engaged. Release brakes.
Step 5: Spin the wheel and inspect any rotor imbalances or brake rub. A white strip of paper behind the caliper really helps.
Step 6: Slightly loosen the caliper bolts and use metal shim.
Step 7: If that doesn't work you can also use a very thin plastic/paper one sided shim on either side of the rotor. Rotor shims can also be helpful if the wheel hub in general is too far offset/off-center at either side.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: April 19, 2024, 08:59:24 AM »
For what it's worth, I found the Sram Force eTap groupset 1x on latest my VB-268 for $500 used locally. Just needed rotors and cassette which I already had. The groupset wasn't pristine but it's a $500 frame end of the day.

1.5 years ago at the end of the pandemic, Sram was also offering brand new Force groupsets for like $850. Since then I regularly find deals on the various marketplaces.

If you constantly build new bikes with internal cables you wont wanna touch mechanical groupsets again. However, you if are only dealing with a single forever bike, all the more reason to go electronic  :-X

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 17, 2024, 03:24:36 PM »
Thanks for the support yall. I appreciate the input over the years.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« on: April 17, 2024, 10:31:40 AM »
Using the same wheels, could you do a NorCal kind of video on a loop you know well, swapping 2 or 3 bikes? You have to use the same wheels for any credible kind of comparison. Your times would be interesting, but equally interesting would be your impression.
I take issue with the "because it's 500usd it can never compete with a 1500usd frame", given the 268 is t800&1000, EPS moulded, proven geometry & shape: it's latest best practice afaik. Now yoeleo or the likes are, afaik, just taking oem frames and branding them for a premium, just less of a premium than western brands. Having looked at their specs sheet, manufacturing methods, reputation for QC, the reason why I don't buy them is because I don't see that my money would go into the frame.
I'd like to be proven wrong, because I can afford to pay 1500 for a frame, or 5000 for that matter, but i care about relative value.
Last, i saw you have a colnago video, any chance you would test ride that with your own wheels for comparison?
Colnago Vs velobuild video would break the internet :D

Based on the hundreds of messages I received over the years, the typical viewer of my channel isn't looking for VeloBuild to be an equal alternative to one of the major brands. What they want is assurance their money won't be stolen, and that their collarbones won't be broken from a random catastrophic failure. Basically is the frame good enough all things considered. I try to keep my videos light-hearted and sensible. Save engineering and race opinions for the engineers and racers.

Confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance is human nature. Whether VeloBuild or Specialized, we all want to believe we've made the best purchase. No harm in that.

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