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Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: Colt__Seavers on November 05, 2020, 11:28:43 PM
If you want to keep your current position like on the Scalpel, keep the Scalpel! This frame has a completely different approach and you seem not wanting to live with it. The FM936 is true to size. If you run L in your other bikes, also use an L with this frame!
You asked for advice and everyone told you to get the L, but it seems you don't want to listen. Your body size and saddle height screams for the L. But if you want the M so badly, take the M, but don't blame anybody but you if you don't like it.
If I read through your comments I'd suggest not to buy this frame at all. It's not what you're looking for.

I thing you got it wrong. I understand the approach of this bike and this is exactly what I'm looking for (slacker HT angle and longer wheelbase and lower BB), which I actually can achieve on a M frame keeping my actual position(50mm longer wheelbase and 67 HT angle) for sure I'd never blame anybody for my own choice.
The whole thing is to have a bike which I can pedal up on my races almost so effective as my Scalpel and go down faster/easier. Some marathon races I do we hit climbs over 1000mtrs in one go (mostly on even surface, fire roads or even Tarmac) and then descent those same 1000 mtrs on trails.
As I said before, on the M frame I would be able to mount a 30 mm shorter stem keeping my actual position and have a much more DH oriented bike as soon as the things go down.
In Spain, the Brand Mendiz is offering a model with the exact same frame, and they also sell the M frame from Carbonda as an L https://www.bicismendiz.com/bicicletas/mtb/mendiz-x40xc-configurador#.
In my opinion, everybody rides different and have to build the bike according their needs, I don't want the M so badly, I just want to build the bike which offers me the best performance for the riding I do. If I wanted a bike to focus on descending I wouldn't mind to have the L but for me is also important that the bike is reacting fast uphill on tight corners and feels effective on long stady climbs.
November 05, 2020, 11:54:55 PM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts Here is Patxi Cia's bike, a Spanish xc racer which is built with the same approach (xc/xcm aggressive riding). He is shorter (1'75 mtrs) and rides a S size.
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November 06, 2020, 01:55:10 AM 		2
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: theirishrider on November 06, 2020, 06:17:53 AM
Roby13 has some really good points. He wants to maintain the saddle to BB position due to knees: 'Already tested with different saddle positions and if I go to much over the BB, on long races my knees start hurting.'
I personally like my position where my knee is infront of the pedal axle (gives me less pain on the patellar)
I've not had issues with rear traction or front wheel lift on super steep tricky rocky assents but also I've not ridden a Scalpel so I don't have a point of reference. I can tell you that the slightly lower steep turn performance is offset by a greater degree by the descending ability.
I'm riding national XC points series on this bike next summer so I guess that will be the proof. If it's any guidance, Michał Topór was riding it seems like M at the world cup youtube.com/watch?v=_ri22H12QTg which seems suited for his height. You might get best of both worlds with the M with a slightly longer stem, but I don't know. What length would you have to run to get the reach you want?

If it's any help, would you like some images of me mounted on the bike? with 2 stem positions? - ive no idea if that would help



I would have to run a 70mm stem on the M which I find right for a xc modern bike. (same as NS is mounting on the M an L sizes).
The only thing I would need is to have more seatpost outside the frame and this would also compensate the actual seat tube angle.

I don't want to upset anybody here or deviate the threat so I'm going to try for the last time to explain my point.
Let's say I'm going to buy a new xc bike with modern geometry. In terms of HT angle, ST angle and wheelbase the closest a I could find are the BMC, Unno and Mondraker. On any of this brands I will take hands down the L size which is the one I have always ridden and I don't think any of you would advice me to by the XL. Well, if I take the L from Carbonda it would equal a XL from those brands.
Of course I can ride a XL just lowering the saddle on those and due to the long wheelbase it would be stable and planted on the downhills but it won't feel nimble or fast cornering or going up, which you really need on xc bike.
November 06, 2020, 06:51:25 AM 		1