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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: February 03, 2022, 10:33:28 AM »
I actually took off the stem so am confident there was no force compressing the steerer.

At first I just wanted to switch to something "safer", however now it's more out of necessity as the stock expander is not gripping well internally and slipping up when I compress the headset (using carbon paste as well).

I used one of these in my VB-R099 - Quite a tight fit (Needed to tap it with a rubber mallet to get it in) but it works very well:

https://dedaelementi.com/expander-70

If I remember rightly, it was lighter than the stock plug, despite being considerably longer.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velo Build R-099 Build
« on: February 03, 2022, 10:29:22 AM »
I've got the HB010 and I'd agree they're not that stiff. The bar tops/hoods are ok but certainly in the drops they're a bit flexy. For me personally they're fine and I would very happily buy them again (actually that lack of super stiffness means they soak up lots of road vibration). However, if you're the sort of person who's doing hard sprints out of the saddle with the drops, you might be concerned about this lack of stiffness.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Questions about disc brakes
« on: February 01, 2022, 07:20:49 AM »
Hello together,
I have been reading the forum for some time now.
I have now decided to build myself a new road bike.
I have chosen the Velobuild R 168 as my frame. Now I'm planning the rest of the components.
I would also like to use Chinese components. There are plenty of gears etc. to buy on Aliexpress. What I'm missing, however, is a way to mount hydraulic disc brakes.
The only disc brakes I've been able to find so far are those that are operated by cable.
Are there really no purely hydraulic ones, or have I just not found them yet?
It would be nice if you could give me some help here.
Regards
Christian

As far as I'm aware, the only way to have full hydraulics is with the major brands - Shimano/SRAM/Campagnolo. Personally I think one of the best things about disc brakes is the feel that you get from hydraulics. Cable discs are still good but I think you're losing some of the advantage if you go this route. If you want to keep costs down, it might be worth considering Shimano RS505 hydraulic brakes/levers (sort of previous generation 105 brakes). You can pick them up reasonably cheaply and although they get mixed reviews, they're great in my opinion.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: February 01, 2022, 07:14:02 AM »
My bike is fully built, but i forgot to install the foam to prevent the rattling noises. Is it possible to install it without having to recable the entire bike?

I don't know how you would do that but I can tell you that one of the great (and unexpected) things about fully integrated cables is how quiet the bike is. All you hear is the wheels in the wind! So, I would definitely want to avoid cables rattling in the downtube, even if it meant recabling.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: January 31, 2022, 03:59:03 PM »
Quick question on building the bike. When installing the anti-vibration foam, do you run it full length down the downtube and through the chainstay, or do you tend to run it in the downtube only?

I'm asking as I'm struggling to run it through the chainstays with how tight the space is, it keeps bunching up and not running the full length.

I did the full length of the down tube and then just a short piece as the cable enters the chainstay, near the bottom bracket. It would have been difficult/impossible to run it the entire length of the chainstay. I cannot detect any cable rattling noises when I ride the bike so I think this method is absolutely fine.

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It sounds like you've probably made the cable outer too short. You need to have a decent amount of slack within the down tube to allow your handlebars to turn without pulling on the cable.

I just built a Velobuild 099 which looks to have exactly the same front derailleur arrangement as the 177. See this post in my thread: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3545.msg33599.html#msg33599
That's how I did mine and it shifts perfectly.

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Hi, attached here is a picture of how I did mine.
"pic.jpg" is my current setup. I got the port thing from an old frame but it doesn't flush nicely with this particular hole of the frame.
"pic2.jpg is an example of what I will buy in the future from Aliexpress to replace it. 

I run a 28c tire and it doesn't rub against the cable housing.

All the best with your build :)

Thanks for the info. I actually went ahead and cut the cable outer after Drarak's post above so I'm going for the 'exposed cable' method. Looks like it should work nicely.

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When you inflated the tyres, did you hear the pops from the tyre beads sitting in the rim? I used a compressor to inflate mine and that was nerve racking when you first hear the pop for the first time.

I had a couple of issues with mine, but that was due to a rookie mistake and easily fixed.

1. Not enough rim tape. One tyre had one revolution of rim tape and had no issues, but the other one did so I just doubled up on both and it's been solid since.

From the attachment below, it looks like you got a matte black frame? Hope you have fun with the build!

The front wheel gave very obvious pops, the rear wheel not so much -just one hint of not very loud pop! I actually had to add a second layer of tape to get the rear tyre to seat.

Yes, it's a UD Matte finish. Hopefully will be going for a test ride at the weekend if I can just source some Shimano mineral oil or the brakes.

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I think you meant the front derailleur. I route the outer cable through the bottom of the bottom bracket. This puts the cable into a steep angle and ending in the housing cap. That steep angle actually provides a lot of pressure to hold the outer cable in place,provided your outer cable is long enough and not very compressible. See the attached image. Green is the outer cable and red is the BB hole.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I did mean the front derailleur (edited my post!). I see your point about cable routing creating the pressure to keep it in place. I think that is the route I will go. Glad to have some confirmation before I go ahead and cut that cable outer.  ;D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: January 12, 2022, 05:19:28 AM »
This is beast assembled :)

Very happy with the results. This is my second time building a fully integrated bike, and this time the process went a lot smoother. Totally worth over exposed cables. It looks stunning.

Happy biking everyone. May your builds finish without issues!

Beautiful. Nice decal by your seat post!  ;D

I'm nearing the completion of my 099 build and wondering if you might share your thoughts on my derailleur cable question in this thread:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3545.0.html

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Well I added some sealant and they're definitely holding pressure now so I guess it will be ok.

Now onto another question...

Anyone else who has built an 099 (or something similar), how have you handled the front derailleur cable? The frame has a fitting on the down tube to house the cable outer, leaving just the shifter cable to exit the frame. I'm a bit worried to use this because if the outer ever comes loose from the fitting I would have to remove the bottom bracket to fix the problem.

The alternative is to get rid of the fitting and just run the cable outer all the way to the derailleur. I'm just a bit concerned that there isn't that much clearance and it could rub against the tire (I have 32C's fitted).

Here are some photos so you can see the setup...


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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: January 11, 2022, 05:52:24 AM »
When I tighten the headset, it doesn't rub with the frame. There's actually a few millimeters between the headset and the frame. I've had that issue you mentioned with my previous Velobuild and I fixed with the same type of thin spacers.

The problem now seems like no matter how much I tighten the headset, there's some play in the steering when braking. And if I keep tightning it up, the compression plug slips up.

So I guess that's not a common occurrence for this bike? hm, I'll keep investigating what could be the issue.

Perhaps you could try a different/longer compression plug, which might have less chance of slipping? Maybe this one:
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/deda-elementi-expander-bung/rp-prod171842?utm_source=customer-emails&utm_medium=stock-email&utm_campaign=backinstock

Or have you tried using carbon past where the handle bars clamp to the steerer tube to give some extra grip?

Another thought: Have you tried using some sort of retaining compound on the headset bearings in case they are moving within the frame?

Might be worth trying something like in this video:
https://youtu.be/IQWYPxGicjU?t=268

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« on: January 09, 2022, 04:08:23 AM »
Hey,

Question about the compression of the headset Do you feel the headset moving and not stable when braking?

I'm having a hard time compressing the headset on my bike. Everytime I try to compress it, the compression plug slips up. I've tried a lot of things:

* Deda and the FSA compression plug after the one that came with the bike failed. Deda seems a bit better, but still slips when compressing.
* Cleaning the steerer tube with iso alcohol
* Carbon paste
* Sanding the inside of the steerer tube a bit
* I tighned the compression plug up to 7.5N (I'm afraid of going higher as 7.5N feels quite a lot already).

No matter what I do, the compression plug slips before the bike feels stable when braking.

Should I keep riding the bike even whenthe headset doesn't feel fully compressed?

I wonder if the issue is with the compression plug, or the headset has some play even when tightned enough.

Ps.: This is my second Velobuild build. The first one feels very stable and I didn't have any issues with the headset.

It could well be that the headset has some play in it and requires some thin spacers to be added. I'm half way through building my Velobuild R-099 and I had to add some spacers. (I've read several others experiencing the same thing).

This is what I used:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143405755953?hash=item2163a62e31:g:c9IAAOSwMmVdnG7M

I needed two of them and I had to cut them to fit without blocking the channel for the cables.

When you tighten the headset, does the steering feel perfectly smooth? On mine, without the spacers, I could feel some friction, because the headset cover was rubbing slightly against the top of the frame, and no matter how much I tightened the top cap, there would still be a small amount of play in the steering.

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I´m by no means expert on the subject, but all my tubeless wheels leak, be it "chiners" or branded ones.
I check my tyre pressure before every ride anyway, so it´s not a issue.

/Jan

It's not the pressure drop that I'm concerned about - more the fact that the tyre partially unseats from the rim when I deflate the tyre.

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I recently received a VB-R-099 frame and wheel set from Velobuild. I'm sure I'll have some questions as I get into the build but here's one for now...

This is my first time using tubeless tyres. The front tyre went on quite easily. The rear was more of a struggle but after several attempts and the use of some soapy water, I got the tyre mounted using only a track pump. However, when I deflate it, it will become unseated from the rim (it will re-inflate easily and appear to be well seated although I don't get the 'pop' sound). Both tyres lose pressure over several hours but I'm assuming this will be solved after I add sealant. I've tried leaving the tyre inflated at 100psi for 24 hours and it still becomes unseated when I deflate it.

Is this a problem? Or should I just get on and add the sealant without worrying about it?

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