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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: paracord on September 04, 2021, 05:35:34 AM
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I want to create a little build thread of my purchase. Link to stores will be added and pictures. I really missed a thread like this when I planned my build.
Links to stores I can recommend.
Frameset is bought from obmbicycle.com they also have a store on Aliexpress called Taiwan Carbon Factory Store. Seller communicates on Whatsapp.
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3354.0.html
https://www.obmbicycle.com/
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/3899038?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2e224c4dLEwSEe
Wheels - Sun Bike Store - Tubeless Roval CLX50 copy with Novatec 411/412 and 1420 spokes.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/5892539?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dGuUjOd
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002323032701.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dGuUjOd
Groupset - Ultegra Di2 52/36 + 11-30 - Yiwu Donglue Bicycle Parts Factory
https://anrancee.aliexpress.com/store/1735445?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000008.6.466e6a4dftSpYh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000345389294.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2e224c4dLEwSEe
Bottle cages May-NDJ Store
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/5019044?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2e224c4dLEwSEe
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002805125153.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2e224c4dLEwSEe
Bonus review - Anrancee cycling. Very good seller I bought parts from. Good communication and parts in stock but some system error occured during transport and my name was lost on the packages so everything was sent back. Still waiting a refund from Aliexpress since 2021-07-02.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1954042?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dCf63g3
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It´s a 595mm frame in Osium White or F1209 as seller calls it. I choosed to replace the black with charmeleon in blue/purple shifting.
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Tubeless Roval CLX50 copy with Novatec 411/412 and 1420 spokes.
1246 gram rear with 11-30 cassette and disc.
829 gram front with disc.
They are nearly 600 grams lighter than my current alu wheels.
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The battery mount wasn´t included for this frame so a friend printed one from this link. It will work after some sanding.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3305549/comments
A lot of parts to be mounted was orderered in july because of the stock situation with everything. At this time seller said 67 weeks or 400 days before items come back in stock.
Minor sanding was needed on the fork before it could be fitted.
XLB bearings included with the frameset.
Di2 wires came very long. It was hard to find correct size so a lot of cable isn´t needed. I prepaired guide cables before mounting it.
I took Muc Off bio lube on this bike to everything. Minor sanding was needed to remove paint before bearings could be fitted.
BB68 bottom bracket. Very hard to know what torque should be used. Seller didn´t provide any. Shimano says 35-55 or so. I took 42nm on mine. Filing was needed before Di2 cable could be put into frame. Rubbercover is missing in the kit.
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Rear brake mount is for 140mm disc and adaptor for 160mm wasn´t included in the caliper in the groupset. Only for front.
It´s fitted very loose with a towel so it doesn´t fall out. I guess next project will be my wall :) I took GS instead of SS so 11-32 or 11-34 could be used if I want to climb one day. I also own 11-32 and 11-28 already.
After mounting fork and headset, I heard a clicking sound inside the head tube. I removed it and notice still some carbon left. The break hose hooked in this and made a click. I need to move more than 60 degrees for this to happen. I didn´t dare to touch this so i streched the break hose a bit tighter and the clicking is gone but I can hear the hose touching the carbon inside.
A lot of things in the floor. Prologo Dimension CPC NACK is mounted.
I didn´t choose the centerlock Ultegra disc for this. All other wheels have 6 bolt so it took another disc.
Weight without chain and handlebar tape is 7,4kg currently.
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Battery is charged and ready for some setup. The RS910 box is used. It didn´t fit the included mounting parts so minor sanding was needed on both RS910 and mounting brackets before they could be fit into the frame.
I found very slimmed bottle cage holders. Only 35 grams for a pair.
Supacaz sticky kush classic bar tape mounted with Rose zonePax SL gel pads on the drops. The curve of the bar made it a pain to mount the tape without cheat with an extra piece of tape. Now I need to decide if I should glue it or use the included fastening tape.
https://www.rosebikes.se/rose-zonepax-sl-gel-pads-117496?product_shape=standard&article_size=Standardgel insert.
Comparing my cyclocross with F12. The bar should be on 25mm but it´s on 50mm now until I do the bikefit.
Ugly electrical tape until now. You can see the gel inserts on the cyclocross bar. It will build a lot so I skipped it on the top on the F12. Garmin/Wahoo mount is included from seller. A bit heavy so I would prefer a lighter mount.
Testing both SH11 +-3 and SH12 +-2 cleats.
It will be interesting to try a carbon shoe instead of fiberglass this time.
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Chain has been cut and quick link is used. CN900 link with HG701 chain.
I use GP5000 TL 28mm and they measure 28,45mm on this rim. GP 4000 S2 25mm measured 28,51mm. TL mounted very easy but it was worse to blow them up without soap on the tire. It didn´t slip on easy.
I decided to glue the bar tape.
My front brake locked itself so I removed the hose and pushed the lever. One white plastic thing popped out then. I don´t know where it comes from but it is working good after this. Shimano easy joint hoses is used. I did bleed both front and rear after anyway. No air rear but of course on front.
First ride has been made. 28mm is a bit more heavy to steer. They feel softer on rough tarmac. Di2 programming need to be done with some shift points. B screw need minor adjustments to become tighter. Fork should be cut a bit lower for more aero position after bikefit. Probably 25mm instead of the current of 55mm.
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nice build, even if i am a little sospicious about brand that makes that kind of copies. maybe im just wrong.
how long the frame travelled before arriving? im waiting for mine, has been shipped with dpd the 28th august, im so excited
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nice build, even if i am a little sospicious about brand that makes that kind of copies. maybe im just wrong.
how long the frame travelled before arriving? im waiting for mine, has been shipped with dpd the 28th august, im so excited
What makes you suspicious? Quality? It has 3 years warranty and they also offer 25% discount as crasch replacement.
It went really fast. It was sent 18th august and received 311st august. The tracking was dead between 18-27th august.
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What makes you suspicious? Quality? It has 3 years warranty and they also offer 25% discount as crasch replacement.
It went really fast. It was sent 18th august and received 311st august. The tracking was dead between 18-27th august.
Yeah, I've like the idea that once you have the "brand" (Pinarello in that case) they can put the quality at second place, but again, that's just my idea. And I hope I'm wrong considering that I ordered the sl7 copy.
So untile the parcel is not in my country I basically can't track it I assume
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Yeah, I've like the idea that once you have the "brand" (Pinarello in that case) they can put the quality at second place, but again, that's just my idea. And I hope I'm wrong considering that I ordered the sl7 copy.
So untile the parcel is not in my country I basically can't track it I assume
It was possible to trace it when it arrived to europe but no update from China to Belgium. I did look on the SL7 too but they didn´t do 61cm. I think 58cm was just a little bit small.
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It was possible to trace it when it arrived to europe but no update from China to Belgium. I did look on the SL7 too but they didn´t do 61cm. I think 58cm was just a little bit small.
How tall are you?
Ok thank for the information, I was wondering why the tracking wasn't changing in the past days.
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How tall are you?
Ok thank for the information, I was wondering why the tracking wasn't changing in the past days.
I´m 190cm. I became very worried to be honest when the package didn´t move but the seller also informed me about it after some days.
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Pictures added to post 3,4 and 5.
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I'm really curious to hear about how it rides and if how it compares to other frames.
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I'm really curious to hear about how it rides and if how it compares to other frames.
I only have a cyclocross to compare with but i have tried Venge from 2015.
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How does it ride?
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Post 6 is updated.
How does it ride?
I have pushed it a little bit but still need some fine tuning and bikefit. Cleats have been adjusted. My reference track over 40km was 1,3km/h faster with the same pulse. Wind conditions may be different and no watts compared.
My CX have really rapid steering and that´s why I want a road bike. However, this is very stable with 28mm so I think i will look for something else. I swapped to 25 again and will probably try again this afternoon. I´m looking on P Zero TLR or TLR SL to get something lighter. GP5000 TL vs GP4000 S2 with race tube is 55 grams heavier in system weight. I feel that in the hills and corners. But it feels good down and on the flats. I have 6kg front and back on the TL.
It´s hard to say something about frame stiffnes compared with my alu frame on the CX. It absorbs small road vibrations better.
It´s a comfortable and stable ride. Like I am on rails. The heavy tires does give a feeling to understeer. Top speed 57,6km/h so far but 52/11 is capable to a lot more with 100 in cadence.
Weight without bar tape and chain was 7,4kg GP4000. With chain, bar tape and GP5000 is 8,4kg. Lighter chain and tyres would be nice but after all, it is a big 595 bike.
Ultegra Di2 - I think it shifts a bit slow on the rear when it does the sync shift from big to small ring in front. It´s like it´s waiting some milliseconds before it shifts between the cogs on the rear so I will spin up a lot first and then stabilize on correct cadence. A wire was actually much better her. I dropped to small ring and push the right lever 3 kogs the same time.
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What is the max tire size it can take ?
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Curious how it holds up over time.
As of right now its probably as good as any open mold in my opinion (hopefully) because it comes in at 1100+ grams, not the 725 the new dogma f does. So youre paying for the design. Lets hope it holds up.
Sadly it isnt confidence inspiring for me though.
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What is the max tire size it can take ?
I don't know but it looks like 32mm. The current is 28,5 mm with a lot of space.
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Curious how it holds up over time.
So youre paying for the design. Lets hope it holds up.
Same here. They offered 3 years warranty though.
I do value the design and paint. A black Dengfu with geometry like a Venge from 2015 would have saved around 200 USD.
F12 copy without custom paint may be a bit cheaper than mine too. DPD shipping is more expensive than EMS but I don't have any customs fee on it.
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I found some weights on a real 53cm F12. I didn´t check my seatpost before mounting it.
My frame and fork is 1845 grams (size 59,5)
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I hope all is well? I know the last time you mentioned you only had 150km on the bike and is too soon to tell how everything is. Is it safe to say that once you hit 1000km-3000km that this frame has been tested?
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I hope all is well? I know the last time you mentioned you only had 150km on the bike and is too soon to tell how everything is. Is it safe to say that once you hit 1000km-3000km that this frame has been tested?
Everything is well here but the weather is cold, rainy and boring so I have started the Zwift season on my other bike instead. It only became 200km on it this season. I tried GP4000 S2 25mm and GP5000 TL 28mm on it. TL is a lot more heavy when it comes to steering, I think i want something lighter. They have less vibrations on rough tarmac on the other hand. I also need to do a bikefit on it to get most power out of my legs, it should have been done today but I had to cancel it since we have to much at work.
I´m not really happy with Di2 - On my other bike, I usually shift down 3 cogs rear and 1 up in front. It is possible to do the same thing on this but since the rear waits for each gear before shifting it will cause a very high cadence. Really useless to be honest. The good thing with 11-30 is that I don´t have to jump between big and small front in my area, but when I do - it´s annoying.
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Sorry to hear about the Di2. I seem to only have this option as I mistakenly went with the 2020 Venge frame which is Di2 only. I was thinking it would work with mechanical shifting. I did not initially budget for the Di2 Ultegra. I mainly went with this frame because of the design and looks :)
Looks like I should be getting the frame from this same seller within 1-2 weeks as the frame has been built and pending delivery.
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I didn´t budget for di2 actually but I guess I would have regret my mind if I choosed a mechanical groupset on this bike.
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Have you messed with the sychroshift on your Ultegra Di2? Maybe a setting below will fix your problem?
Manual mode - Indicated by solid red/green LEDs. This is traditional, full-manual shifting.
Shift mode 1 (S1) - Indicated by both red and green LEDs flashing twice. The default S1 mode is semi-synchro: automatically shifts the rear derailleur when you shift the front derailleur.
Shift mode 2 (S2) - Red and green LEDs flash three times. By default this is full-synchro and this automatically shifts the front derailleur as you shift the rear derailleur.
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Have you messed with the sychroshift on your Ultegra Di2? Maybe a setting below will fix your problem?
Manual mode - Indicated by solid red/green LEDs. This is traditional, full-manual shifting.
Shift mode 1 (S1) - Indicated by both red and green LEDs flashing twice. The default S1 mode is semi-synchro: automatically shifts the rear derailleur when you shift the front derailleur.
Shift mode 2 (S2) - Red and green LEDs flash three times. By default this is full-synchro and this automatically shifts the front derailleur as you shift the rear derailleur.
Yes I have tried all 3 options. The rear will shift one cog at the time but fast so the chain can grip, this is the issue. With a mechanicanal group I just shift 3 cogs the same time and let the chain cross over all gears. This method would probably damage the gears during load but I don´t have any issues with this method for the last 7 years.
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can u summarize any issues youve had so far and how its riding?
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can u summarize any issues youve had so far and how its riding?
I only have 200km on it and the indoor season started instead. No bikefit has been done.
No issues but good to know:
It is very stable steering compared with my cx so GP5000 TL 28mm gives a feel of understeer. I want lighter tyres but don't know what. P Zero SL 26mm maybe.
You should cut away som carbon where your cables run around the bottom bracket. It was sharp. I put my cables inside foam too just to be safe.
Some carbon is still left in the head tube. You can hear the brake hose touching it if you turn over 90 degrees and back again.
Very few torque specifications but some can be found.
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1764km on it so far. I noticed that I forgot to put loctite on the rear hanger, it started to shift weird so that was found at 1000km service.
Some air was trapped inside the front brake hose so I had to bleed it after i let the bicyle lie on the ground.
I think both headset bearing sits a bit too loose so I added one lap of thin 0,1mm tape on them. Now I only need 2nm to set the headset.
GP5000 TL 28mm was replaced with GP 5000 STR 25mm. They feel much better since they are lighter but I did lost comfort on bad tarmac. Usually runs 80/82psi front/rear but I can go down to 72/76 if I want. After that I think it feels loose in the corners.
Added Assioma duo on it since the build too, very nice to measure power.
Ordered Garmin Varia RTL 515 radar too it.
I do have some weird sound on the lowest gears if I put out more than 250w. Carbon like. Some friends says that carbon is never quiet so it might be okay.
Still using 52/36 with 11-30 so the lowest cogs isn´t much used.
It is worth to mention that it is a bit harsh on bumpy roads.
Aero frame comes to use above 30km/h I would say, it´s really going on rails then.
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4000km has passed. I bought new wheels from Sun Bike Store again with centerlock disc and Novatec 411/412 hubs.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/5892539?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.pcShopHead_1262077414.0
11-30 was changed to 11-28 instead, i miss 16T though so I might move to 11-25 one day.
I can lower tyre pressure with those compared with Roval so I run 4,0/4,2kg front and rear now on rough tarmac. Around 5kg on smoth tarmac.
Lower headset bearing has been replaced after I broke it when I tried to remove it from the frame.
It´s a good bike and the aero comes in place after 30km/h. It does feel soft around 50km/h when gusty sidewinds hit me, i guess this frame isn´t that stiff in torsional load. But very good when climbing and sitting. Total weight is 8kg as it is on the picture with GP5000 STR 25mm and 40ml fluid in each tyre.
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Some weight
454 front - 721 gram
454 rear - 865 gram
Ready roval rear - 1554 gram
Ready 454 rear - 1491 gram
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The bike looks great.
I've been looking at replica Zipp 454s for a while. Sun Bike store seems to have gone, and all the ones I've found have said that the external wheel width is 25mm. but Zipp's website says it should be 28mm. Could I ask what the width of yours are? Did you note the internal width.
Thanks for sharing this build.
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The bike looks great.
I've been looking at replica Zipp 454s for a while. Sun Bike store seems to have gone, and all the ones I've found have said that the external wheel width is 25mm. but Zipp's website says it should be 28mm. Could I ask what the width of yours are? Did you note the internal width.
Thanks for sharing this build.
You can customize the wave series from Farsports, they will be wider, full T800, and you're not buying a fake anything. They look like the Princeton waves.
25mm wide rims are old school by today's standards, it means if you run a 28C, you'll have a lightbult effect that will slow you down materially. I wouldn't buy road rims under 28mm.
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https://www.proxcarbon.com/prox-carbon-road-undulating-depth-disc-wheels-c52db-ratchet-freehub-system_p97.html
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The bike looks great.
I've been looking at replica Zipp 454s for a while. Sun Bike store seems to have gone, and all the ones I've found have said that the external wheel width is 25mm. but Zipp's website says it should be 28mm. Could I ask what the width of yours are? Did you note the internal width.
Thanks for sharing this build.
Sun bike store have a new name. Here comes everything you need.
454 wasn't on the webpage so I asked her for them.
ZEEUQI BIKE Store
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102522910?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000008.6.5ae81e3b20nbGB
WhatsApp number
+8615999671996
I didn't measure the internal width. They are around 26mm on top and 28mm a bit down. I think the spec said 21mm inside. Or was it 23mm? Don't remember.
This is with 25mm GP5000 STR.
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Hi, Thanks for all the info. I'm pleased that the wheels seem the right size. Sadly, that link has gone already! I don't do WhatsApp but I might have to give it a go.
The ProX wheels look good too, but I really like the Zipp. I think the Farsports are too expensive.
Thanks for your help.
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Adding the link again to but I notice it kills the link.
ZEEUQI BIKE Store
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102522910?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000008.6.5ae81e3b20nbGB
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102522910?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.pcShopHead_2004351178998.0
Testing a link to my hubs
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005380110516.html?gps-id=pcStoreJustForYou&scm=1007.23125.137358.0&scm_id=1007.23125.137358.0&scm-url=1007.23125.137358.0&pvid=2d8de9c3-7a17-4f76-a7fe-32f039dccb84&_t=gps-id:pcStoreJustForYou,scm-url:1007.23125.137358.0,pvid:2d8de9c3-7a17-4f76-a7fe-32f039dccb84,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238112%231997&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21SEK%21860.66%21619.68%21%21%21%21%21%402101c5c216903594538584746e2561%2112000032844597062%21rec%21SE%21&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.smartJustForYou_2005225719513.8
And my 50mm Roval wheels
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005338519628.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.4.251b1cabH9zuj4&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21SEK%21SEK%206%2C882.43%21SEK%204%2C955.35%21%21%21%21%21%402101d64d16903595209113832ea2de%2112000032668329918%21sh%21SE%211717561530
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Sadly, that link has gone already!
They work now.
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Thanks. It seems that if I copy the text of the link and paste it into the address bar, it works. If I click on it, it just takes me to the Ali home page. :-\
Thanks for the links.
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Some updates. The included lower headset bearing lasted less than 3500km. Bike have now 5500km in total. Will switch to 30mm Continental GP5000 S TR from 25mm and see how it handles.
F frame instead of F12 frame would be fun to try.
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Some updates. The included lower headset bearing lasted less than 3500km. Bike have now 5500km in total. Will switch to 30mm Continental GP5000 S TR from 25mm and see how it handles.
F frame instead of F12 frame would be fun to try.
Thank you for this thread and for keeping it updated, it's very helpful. I have very mixed feelings about riding fakes, but it's good to know that the people selling fakes aren't automatically selling garbage.