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After The Ride / Fiber based spokes thread
« on: June 12, 2021, 06:36:48 PM »
Since its been discussed in the ztto hub thread a few times its worth having a dedicated area here.

The massive MTBr thread: https://www.mtbr.com/threads/make-your-own-polymer-uhmwpe-spokes.1091276/
Avoid mentioning B3RD if possible, they stuck their noses in the thread above and tried to kill off any discussion.

Rope options:
Comparison list:


DM20 is the only possible option for Dyneema brand rope due to creep. If you use one of their formulations like SK99 it will stretch over a matter of days and the wheel will lose tension. The majority of "dyneema" for sale online is this SK type, DM20 is much harder to find.

Other options would be PBO, para-aramid, or vectran (LCP).


Sourcing:
Brand name       Diameter   Working strength   Breaking strength   Color   Weave
Marlow M-Rig max   2.5mm    839kg                   Black   
Liros D-Pro static    3mm       917kg                   Grey   
Mastrant M3           3.2mm   117kg   390kg   Twist
Mastrant M4           3.9mm    270kg   900kg   Sheath: Black Core: White    Twist
FL-32.NG               1.5mm     350daN (336kg)   White/Mix   Braid

Another sourcing option might be fishing line, as you can get Spectra line. But it would be necessary to weave multiple strands together.


Adhesion:
Apparently B3RD spokes are using simple cyanoacrylate to hold the DM20 to the threaded spoke portion. The weave also will grab providing friction.
Cyanoacrylate seems to be used in various places for bonding UHMWPE (what DM20 is made of).
Products are being sold as "surface prep" for plastics, as far as I can tell its just Heptane. Haven't investigated what it actually does to the plastic though. Then the other side of the spoke on the hub end is held in place with an eye splice.


Commercial brands:
- B3RD uses weaved DM20, 1.8mm thickness.
- Spinergy PBO uses sheathed PBO straight strands with end caps. Ends are epoxied into a conical end cap (link). I'm not sure if the same epoxy would work on DM20.
- PiRope uses weaved Vectran.

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Inspiration
After crashing a CF frame, I wanted something corrosion resistant and able to take more abuse.

I used some of these frames for ideas:
https://bearclawbicycleco.com/thunderhawk-titanium-650b-gravel-bike/
https://shop.knollybikes.com/collections/frames/products/knolly-cache-gravel-grinder
https://masoncycles.cc/products/bokehti-frameset

Keep in mind I have no idea what I'm doing, but you may see some ideas you like.

Design stuff:
- The cable entries into the frame look amazing. I specified just "hole cutout" and was expecting them to simply route a hole, but they included adapter plates and everything.
- Seatstays: you can drop only so much until they will interfere with the rear flat mount disc. At that point they have to bend the seatstay to clear.
- Seatpost dia: "seat post is 31.6,then you need to choice our 34.9 seat tube ,if you use 27.2 seat post then need to use 31.8 seat tube"
- Dubble butted: no don't even ask. A lot of the options in their quote PDF aren't even available or are incorrect, so just specify them in the email instead.
- Brushed or sandblast: It looks like they sandblast regardless, then hand sand the frame? Brushed is better for anodizing, sandblast gives a more even look.
- Weight: 1.95kg with thru-axle. Quite heavy, probably would be lighter if I didn't use such wide tubes :)

Timeline:
Waltly as with probably all other bike component manufacturers are likely slammed for orders. Email Sumi with your requirements, be patient. The design stage only took ~17 days (Nov 1) this will depend on how much back and forth there is. Then production was about two months on top of that. I chose "cheap" shipping, another 1.5 month or so to Canada.

Process for etched logos:
- You need to use an old version of CorelDraw (eg X5) to be able to export a compatible EPS file for them. Inkscape won't work.
- To create: Export as EPS, save in version 2 format.
- Text cannot be too thin or it will be hard to etch (like 1mm), even after thickening some text on mine it turned out not great. The big bold logos are fine though.
- I didn't specify size, I think they will just resize it appropriately to fit in that spot.

Future plan:
- Wash all the sand out.
- Anodize part or all of the frame. I did some test anodizing and could only get a few "good" colors: purple, dark blue, brown. Maybe with technique or more chemicals you can do better.
- Run internal electrical wiring for lights.

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Frame:
Flyxii FR-603
An older model, still using QR. Frame was received with some really bad bearing seats and PF30 far out of tolerance (see post here). Since I use a threaded in the middle ZTTO bottom bracket, the out of tolerance PF30 ends up not being an issue.
This frame should have never passed QC, probably some reject they sold at a discount?

Forks:
Norco threshold
- Thru-axle 12x100, good tire clearance, seems solid. Bought second hand, new forks are crazy expensive. Also will never use a fork with holes drilled through it again (internal route), not worth risk.

Pedals:
- issi flash red color

Cranks:
- Fovno direct mount - these things are beautifully made but I feel they could fall apart if abused. In another thread on here someones aluminum axle stripped out. I wish there were other alternatives with similar colors, closest I saw that I liked was the Blackspire, which is well priced. But they never responded to my emails, and I don't need the included BB or chainring.
- ZTTO 24mm PF30 BB30SH
- Pass Quest 42T direct mount narrow-wide oval chainring - seems good so far

Wheels:
- DT 350 12x100mm hub front
- ZTTO hub QR rear, 28 hole 54t ratchet, with road cassette, good so far
- Pillar Aero1423 bladed spoke
- Pillar DSN red Al nipple
- Spank Flare 24 OC Vibrocore rim - 650b - 405g

Tire:
Gravelking SK 650b 48mm
- Other than some initial sidewall weeping, they are great. Minimal road noise considering the knobs.
- The tire is probably too big for this frame. After measuring today its about 52mm! no wonder. I'm not sure if this is due to the rim or expected for these tires. I've never heard of something being this far off spec.

Brakes:
- Juin Tech R1 mechanical disc brakes
- KEB-SL compressionless housing - recommended to use this for mechanical brakes, response is much better than normal housing.

Fender:
- SKS bluemel 53mm wide

Misc:
- old Alu handlebars
- secondhand Ti seatpost, 3x18650 battery cells inside
- secondhand Sram X1 rear derailleur
- old SRAM Rival shifters from previous bike, crazy number of km's on these and still smooth
- Vincita frame bag
- internal routed wiring + LED lights (front, seatpost, and bar ends)

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Toseek carbon drop bar failure
« on: September 26, 2020, 01:47:29 AM »


Not a ton of details in the video, but basically, gave the bar to his friend and it broke shortly after.

Design wise it doesn't look great to have the cable exit right up close to the area of greatest force. If you look at the EC90, cable exits in a similar place, but further back on the bar:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0253/1252/6445/products/EC90Aero_RB_Perspective3_16_5d0c7adf-539f-43b3-a23f-412d304b5ec0_1024x1024.png

But, other manufacturers do have cable exiting in the middle, so I'm sure main problem was somewhere else.

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Cable operated hydraulic:

Juin tech - R1 (post mount)
- two calipers, 160mm disc = $130
- two piston
- made in Taiwan
- forged/CNC AL
- 160mm only (?)
- 154g/ea

Juin tech - F1 (flat mount)
Juin tech - M1 (side mtn mount)


PRO A8000
- two calipers, 140mm disc, pads = $55
- two piston ("double sided synchronous drive")
- CNC machine AL, one Ti screw
- heatsink style brake pads
- floating disk rotors
- 140mm only (rear 70mm front 35mm spacing) some reviewers complain because they thought it would work on 160mm..
- 140g/ea

ZTTO (same as the PRO A8000, just different pads)
- two calipers, 140mm disc, pads = $51
- 270g/both
ZRACE BR-002 (same as above again)


XOOM XTECH HB100
- two calipers, 120/140/160mm disc = $50
- two piston
- no brake pad included (?)
- 190g/ea
Reviews here:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/any-experiences-with-the-zoom-xtech-hb-100-brakes-too-cheap/ (positive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIEzwkr80fA (negative)
https://forums.mtbr.com/components/hydro-caliper-cable-actuated-advise-1090865.html (negative, leaks oil after a month or so)


Giant Conduct system
- requires special stem
- hard to find, not sure if its still sold


Cable only:
Avid BB7
- two calipers, 160mm disc, pads = $55
- single piston (?)
- easy adjustment mechanism
- 210g/ea

TEKTRO MD-C550
- two calipers, pads ~$100
- two piston
- 140/160mm capable
- 170g/ea

TRP SPYRE FM
- $170

Two piston seems common, anything one piston or pure mechanical seems not worth it. Four piston is available (Juin GT-F) but incredibly expensive.

So far I'm happy with ZTTO gear:
- SPD pedals last a year already (they use bushings not ball bearings, so not so surprising)
- BBs work well
- Cassettes have some flaws apparently

But reliability here is more important, if piston leaks, brakes can fail to operate.

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