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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Matt_C on October 01, 2020, 04:01:58 AM
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I have the A9 frame on order and it should be here in a few days. Has anyone here ever bought a frame from ICAN before? I have read some great reviews on their wheels so I decided to chance buying a frame from them. I fell in love with the 2021 Merida Reacto and the ICAN A9 is very similar looking so i just went for it. I'll keep this thread updated with pictures and build progress.
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Funnily enough I was just looking for a frame similar to the Merida Reacto, I'll definitely be keeping this one in mind, looking forward to the build. Can I ask how you were able to work out what stem height? I have been hesitant to go straight to an aero frame for a build as with most other types of frame you have a bit of leeway with where to attach the bars. For this reason I might end up with the A8. Enjoy the build it looks like a great frame!
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Figuring out the sizing was interesting. I just did my best to compare my old bike geometry chart to the ICAN geometry chart. I also found a rider on the Merida professional team who is exactly my height and I asked him on strava what frame size he uses. I want it for aggressive crit racing so the fit shouldn't be too different to his. As for handle bar size I just went for the narrowest and longest one they had in stock which was 400x120. They do a 38x120 but I would have been waiting weeks for it.
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Also, even if I do get the wrong size frame, the bike market in the UK right now is so crazy I will be able to sell the bike on for a small profit and use the money to finance the correct size frame.
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Frame arrived today. Here is a quick picture. So far I am very impressed with the finishing quality. I have internally routed a few cables which was a lot easier than I thought. I am still waiting on parts to arrive. I will continue to update as I build.
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I have 2 wheelsets (50mm and 86mm) from Ican and the X-Gravel frame+fork. I've had no problems with any of their products. The wheels carried me through thousands of miles of training and a full IM. The X-Gravel frame arrived quickly and had no defects that I could see. I have well over 500 miles of gravel riding on the frame and it has been great. I have confidence in their products. Excellent value for the money, imo.
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Thanks for the input Alex. You have filled me with confidence! I got the steerer tube cut today and my local bike shop were impressed with the build quality. Here is a quick pic.
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I had my eye on the A9 but decided to go for a gravel build. Looking forward to your review.
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Hello. I just got an ICAN A9 the other day and assembled it. The accuracy of the frame was very good.
I won't go into impressions as I haven't run much distance yet, but the flats are as fast as the Bullet Train.
The routing took a lot of time, as did the FSA ACR.
FYI.
Size: 52 (I am 177cm tall, and 82cm inseam)
Group set: Ultegra 8020 (crankset with power meter 6800)
Wheels: Carbonal Tubular Wheels 50mm deep
Weight: 7.3kg (without pedals and bottle cages)
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Very nice bike! The painting is great.
Did you weight the frame, fork, bar and post?
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Finished the internal routing today. It was a bit of a pain but not as bad as I expected considering this is the first bike I have ever built. I think the toughest part was the handlebars but there is are great YouTube tutorials from both ICAN and "OzCycles". Number one tip I can give when routing the handlebars is to tape both the gear and brake cables together and pull them through the narrow hole at the same time. Pictures of the finished routing have been attached. Please don't judge the messy room as it has been a long night
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Hello. I just got an ICAN A9 the other day and assembled it. The accuracy of the frame was very good.
I won't go into impressions as I haven't run much distance yet, but the flats are as fast as the Bullet Train.
The routing took a lot of time, as did the FSA ACR.
FYI.
Size: 52 (I am 177cm tall, and 82cm inseam)
Group set: Ultegra 8020 (crankset with power meter 6800)
Wheels: Carbonal Tubular Wheels 50mm deep
Weight: 7.3kg (without pedals and bottle cages)
This post has made me so excited. What an incredible looking bike. Incredibly light aswell for an aero bike!
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Very nice bike! The painting is great.
Did you weight the frame, fork, bar and post?
I haven't weighed my components because I didn't have an accurate enough scale but at the end of my build I'll do the the old bathroom scales trick and get a good idea of the entire bike's weight. When researching the frame I did find a thread in an Italian bike forum (thank you Google translate) all about the A9 where weight was being discussed. A guy there was a very regular ICAN customer who received an early version of the A9 which was incredibly light and he claimed to have a sub 7kg build but the frame ended up cracking (early prototype like I said). Others have listed weights but unfortunately I cannot remember them off the top of my head. I'll try to track down the thread.
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Just inserted the bottom bracket. Decided to go with a zitto ceramic thread lock BB. This avoids the hassle of bearing presses as threading the BB together presses the cups into the frame. I must say it went very smoothly. Only thing I am left wondering is what the torque level should be... I have attached some greasy pictures of the BB
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Very nice bike! The painting is great.
Did you weight the frame, fork, bar and post?
Thank you carbonazza-san, Matt_C-san,
The weight
Frame : 1176g(with hangers, without TA)
Fork : 408g(uncut)
Seatpost : 270g(uncut)
Handlebars: 360g(witdh 400mm, stem length 100mm)
Headset : 153g(without spacers)
Fron TA : 64g
Rear TA : 75g
The TA has a lever, which I thought would be a disadvantage in terms of aerodynamics, so I changed to a flat type.
The flat TA was approx 40g.
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Thank you carbonazza-san, Matt_C-san,
The weight
Frame : 1176g(with hangers, without TA)
Fork : 408g(uncut)
Seatpost : 270g(uncut)
Handlebars: 360g(witdh 400mm, stem length 100mm)
Headset : 153g(without spacers)
Fron TA : 64g
Rear TA : 75g
The TA has a lever, which I thought would be a disadvantage in terms of aerodynamics, so I changed to a flat type.
The flat TA was approx 40g.
I was expecting it to be a bit lighter, a sub 7kg disc must be expensive.
If I break my road bike, this is a serious option.
Thank you for the information !
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I was expecting it to be a bit lighter, a sub 7kg disc must be expensive.
If I break my road bike, this is a serious option.
Thank you for the information !
Sub 7kg full aero bike with disc breaks is practically unheard of. A mate of mine has a top of the line Venge with Dura ace Di2 and he is still over 7kg. I think sub 7.5kg for a full aero bike with discs would be considered light.
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I was expecting it to be a bit lighter, a sub 7kg disc must be expensive.
If I break my road bike, this is a serious option.
Thank you for the information !
Due to the integrated design of the AeroRoad bike, the handlebars and seatpost cannot be changed, so if you're aiming for less than 7kg, you'll need the following component configuration. As a prerequisite, the group set should be a mechanical Ultegra.
Wheels: under 1200g
Cassette: 175g DA
Saddle: 130g or less
Brake Rotors: 214g XTR
Tires: as light as possible
Wheels that fit the requirements are especially expensive. If the group set is Dura-Ace, you may have an easier shot at it.
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Due to the integrated design of the AeroRoad bike, the handlebars and seatpost cannot be changed, so if you're aiming for less than 7kg, you'll need the following component configuration. As a prerequisite, the group set should be a mechanical Ultegra.
Wheels: under 1200g
Cassette: 175g DA
Saddle: 130g or less
Brake Rotors: 214g XTR
Tires: as light as possible
Wheels that fit the requirements are especially expensive. If the group set is Dura-Ace, you may have an easier shot at it.
Since we are on Chinese town it should be made clear that there are some good options for lightweight wheels, cassettes, saddles and rotors on AliExpress without paying the name brand premium.
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... if you're aiming for less than 7kg...
I'm not particularly aiming this, it was just about the person who reported on an Italian forum to have done it.
With that frame's weight, I was thinking that some serious money would be needed in light components to achieve this with discs.
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I'm not particularly aiming this, it was just about the person who reported on an Italian forum to have done it.
With that frame's weight, I was thinking that some serious money would be needed in light components to achieve this with discs.
He was quoting some crazy weights. So much so that other forum users questioned his scales and made him take the bike apart and put up pictures for proof. But the frame ended up cracking so it was light for the wrong reasons...
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Build complete.
Weight 8.2kg
Price £2200
Price and weight includes everything you see in the picture and Magene power meter. Carbon saddle still hasn't arrive which should drop the weight even more.
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This looks amazing, nice job mate! The gold detail looks awesome!
How much of that price was just the frame and shipping?
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Thank you for your kind words. I'm in love with the bike. It was so nice to be able to choose exactly what I wanted and no have to settle for anything less. I was considering buying a low spec reacto for about £2k and then doing that up but would have been selling bits of the bike in order to buy the parts I want. Building my own bike from scratch was definitely the best decision I could have made.
Full price I paid to ICAN was $886 via paypal.
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Thank you for your kind words. I'm in love with the bike. It was so nice to be able to choose exactly what I wanted and no have to settle for anything less. I was considering buying a low spec reacto for about £2k and then doing that up but would have been selling bits of the bike in order to buy the parts I want. Building my own bike from scratch was definitely the best decision I could have made.
Full price I paid to ICAN was $886 via paypal.
Hi matt, that's a stunning bike! I'm looking at getting one of these at some point.
May I ask - how tall are you and what size is that bike?
Also, what are those wheels?
thanks
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Thank you!
The bike has been brilliant so far. Absolute speed machine and only weighs 7.9kg. pretty light for an aero disc brake bike. Could easily be brought down to 7.5kg with a few cheap component changes and 7kg if I was to throw some money at it. What stands out on the frame for me is the quality of the finishing, all holes drilled in the handlebars and frame are extremely tidy. Maybe I just got a very good example of a frame but it feels like someone took some real care and attention with it.
The frame size is a 56 with a 400x110mm handlebar. I am 186cm tall. I probably could have a more relaxed fit 58cm frame but I am glad I went with the 56cm for racing.
The wheels are from an AliExpress seller called "Elite Wheels". They only cost me £290 and I am very happy with them for the price. You can spec whatever hub you want but I went with their own brand 6 pawl hub which is super loud but I feel like it won't last to long in UK weather. Next time I will try their own brand ratchet hub which is similar to DTswiss.
If you do decide to buy off ICAN contact Perry@icancycling.com tell him Matthew from London sent you because I'm trying to buy more stuff from him at a discount haha.
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Thank you!
The bike has been brilliant so far. Absolute speed machine and only weighs 7.9kg. pretty light for an aero disc brake bike. Could easily be brought down to 7.5kg with a few cheap component changes and 7kg if I was to throw some money at it. What stands out on the frame for me is the quality of the finishing, all holes drilled in the handlebars and frame are extremely tidy. Maybe I just got a very good example of a frame but it feels like someone took some real care and attention with it.
The frame size is a 56 with a 400x110mm handlebar. I am 186cm tall. I probably could have a more relaxed fit 58cm frame but I am glad I went with the 56cm for racing.
The wheels are from an AliExpress seller called "Elite Wheels". They only cost me £290 and I am very happy with them for the price. You can spec whatever hub you want but I went with their own brand 6 pawl hub which is super loud but I feel like it won't last to long in UK weather. Next time I will try their own brand ratchet hub which is similar to DTswiss.
If you do decide to buy off ICAN contact Perry@icancycling.com tell him Matthew from London sent you because I'm trying to buy more stuff from him at a discount haha.
I'm from the UK too...York, so worse weather than "balmy" London :D
How much tax did you end up paying from the frame and wheels just out of interest?
Probably won't look at getting a frame until spring next year but I'm just putting in the research now.
I like the look of the ICAN wheels too - UCI certified for not much money and they seem to get good reviews from what I've read.
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I am originally from north west Ireland so for me London is nearly tropical!
Tax was pre paid with the shipping. I think I paid around £700 all in for frame, shipping and tax but I know that postage prices are a bit crazy right now because of covid. Planes used to be passengers plus luggage plus cargo, right now it's cargo only because not many people are flying. Airlines still need to make a profit so the price of flying the cargo has gone way up.
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Thank you carbonazza-san, Matt_C-san,
The weight
Frame : 1176g(with hangers, without TA)
Fork : 408g(uncut)
Seatpost : 270g(uncut)
Handlebars: 360g(witdh 400mm, stem length 100mm)
Headset : 153g(without spacers)
Fron TA : 64g
Rear TA : 75g
The TA has a lever, which I thought would be a disadvantage in terms of aerodynamics, so I changed to a flat type.
The flat TA was approx 40g.
Nice work on the bike! I just ordered one and am going to build it up with the latest Ultegra Di2. It looks like I'm getting a different handlebar/stem combo though, the HB017.
I'm also wondering which TAs you got for your frame. Which length and tread pitch?
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The HB017 is their older model of handlebar. They currently have no stock on the new one until the new year.
The frame comes with TAs that have a lever like a quick release so I bought these TAs from AliExpress. No issues so far.
￡11.11 20%OFF | OG-EVKIN QR-002 Road Disc Brake Quick Release M12*P1.5 Thru-Axle 12x142mm Rear/12x100mm Front Bicycle Skewers For Road Disc QR
https://a.aliexpress.com/_B1gcFX
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Thanks, Matt! Good info! It was quite the process to get Perry to agree to send me a 400x120 combo, but I will probably change it to something else before the road season starts.
I also tried getting info on whether or not there's a hole for the front brake hose in the steerer tube, but I'm guessing there is since they're sending me the HB017 and it doesn't have a hole in the top part of the stem. Did you check when putting the bike together?
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Thanks, Matt! Good info! It was quite the process to get Perry to agree to send me a 400x120 combo, but I will probably change it to something else before the road season starts.
I also tried getting info on whether or not there's a hole for the front brake hose in the steerer tube, but I'm guessing there is since they're sending me the HB017 and it doesn't have a hole in the top part of the stem. Did you check when putting the bike together?
That is a brilliant point and well done for thinking of this. I don't recall seeing a hole in the fork when building my frame as my cable went through the top to the steerer. Get in contact with Perry to clarify in sure he will have sent the correct version. The entire headset is different depending on what handlebar you order so I am sure they have forks with holes aswell. Let me know how it goes and please update this thread with your build!
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I tried several times but he somehow dodged my questions ;D
I found a video on Amazon clearly showing a hole in the steerer tube: https://www.amazon.com/ICAN-Triaero-Carbon-Frameset-Mount/dp/B086BX7JCN
I guess I will see soon :)
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Yeah they have build videos on YouTube showing a hole in the fork aswell but I am nearly sure my fork didn't have a hole. I just really hope they send you the proper frame, last thing you want to do is go drilling a fork.
https://youtu.be/Wx9Z20Rtp7c
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Good point! I would never drill the fork, but I guess it won't hurt to try one last time to get a confirmation. Again, thanks a lot!
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Oh, I also ordered the thru axles you have. At 71 grams they're quite a lot lighter than the stock ones (130+ grams?).
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Well they drill the fork at the factory, I'm sure a bike shop would do it for you if needed.
Yeah OG-Evkin products are usually pretty solid, I have had nothing but good experiences with their products. Surprisingly fast delivery to the UK too (Spanish warehouse).
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Sounds good! The Spanish warehouse wouldn't deliver to Sweden but I don't really mind waiting. It's snowing here at the moment and I will have all winter to complete the build. But I will definitely post the it here.
The frame is a size 58. I was looking at the Winspace T1500 Disc, but found it too long and low compared to what I'm used to. It might've worked, but I didn't want to gamble. I did order a Winspace 50mm Hyper Disc wheelset though.
I have some parts from other bikes that will go on the A9. The Ultegra Di2 groupset was hard to find at a reasonable price, so I ended up ordering from three different stores. Everything is on backorder and most stores say it won't be back in stock until spring. I have the same groupset on my ultra-distance bike and like the idea of being able to move parts over if (when) I crash. It has saved me from off-bike time before.
I'm going to try a Shimano BB86 bottom bracket (SM-BB92-41B), but I might change it for something with threaded sleeves in case it starts creaking. Can you recommend the one you bought, Matt?
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There is a major shortage of most cycling equipment right now. I heard there is a shortage of DTswiss hubs too. I have been buying most stuff high quality second hand on eBay and I am pretty happy. Lots of people selling barely used equipment at a good price because it doesn't fit them, wrong crank length, derailleur cage size, chainring size etc.
Oh I am glad you mentioned BBs. I found one that I cannot recommend highly enough! It's a ZTTO BB86 that has 2 parts and threads together into the frame. No need for bearing presses, just a standard BB tool. It's based off a more expensive BB called the "token ninja" which gets brilliant reviews too. China cycling on YouTube (works with winspace) recently reviewed the token BB and compared it to the hambini BB and it is pretty damn close. Easy to install, easy to remove and the threads reduce the risk of creaks.
￡16.04 40%OFF | ZTTO BB86 24mm CERAMIC BB92 BB90 Press Fit Bottom Brackets Thread lock for Road Bicycle Mountain bike 24 shaft Crankset chainset
https://a.aliexpress.com/_BSxHYj
https://youtu.be/q0XAvr5Qn1k
https://youtu.be/i5PxdOWg_lE
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I tried several times but he somehow dodged my questions ;D
I found a video on Amazon clearly showing a hole in the steerer tube: https://www.amazon.com/ICAN-Triaero-Carbon-Frameset-Mount/dp/B086BX7JCN
I guess I will see soon :)
already received the frame? I am also planning to buy a frame from ICAN, but I found the communication with Perry very hard.
Let me know,
Greetings Ossip
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I've struggled to get a confirmation from him regarding if there's an extra hole in the steerer tube and if the frameset has been sent. He said the frame would be sent out yesterday, but I haven't received any tracking number or confirmation. Maybe he's grown tired of all my questions and e-mails. :D
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I've struggled to get a confirmation from him regarding if there's an extra hole in the steerer tube and if the frameset has been sent. He said the frame would be sent out yesterday, but I haven't received any tracking number or confirmation. Maybe he's grown tired of all my questions and e-mails. :D
Hey you have good news?
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I can confirm that the fork that was delivered with the HB017 handlebar has a hole in the upper tube.
I received the frame in size 58 last week but I was wondering that all the spacers and the upper cap of the headset are out of metal and not as usual out of plastic.
Are the spacers with the newer handlebar out of plastic?
And I have another issue, I can’t get the handlebar low enough compared to my other bike because of the height of the headset cap and the necessary spacer for the handlebar.
Is the newerhandlebar lower ?
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I can confirm that the fork that was delivered with the HB017 handlebar has a hole in the upper tube.
I received the frame in size 58 last week but I was wondering that all the spacers and the upper cap of the headset are out of metal and not as usual out of plastic.
Are the spacers with the newer handlebar out of plastic?
And I have another issue, I can’t get the handlebar low enough compared to my other bike because of the height of the headset cap and the necessary spacer for the handlebar.
Is the newerhandlebar lower ?
which Handlebar Stem config you choose?
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I have the HB017 handlebar in 110/420
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Had a very bad experience with ICAN Bikes.
The picture of the whole frameset and accessories was taken before they shipped to me. I was super excited until I received the frameset.
On receiving the frame I notice there was a patch inside the headtube that creates a bump on the outside of the headtube.
They said the patch and bump will not affect the quality of the bike or reliability of the bike structure. WHAT???? (How about 5 years down the line or resale value as new or used frameset?)
They said they will replace the frameset if I send it back to them. Why send such bad quality frameset to me in the first place???????????????
They made it sound like they had a replacement frame waiting for me. But once I successfully sent the frameset back to them they told me it will take another 30 to 40 days to make/paint my cream colour frame choice.
They claim they had an option of a sample frame with already cut fork but I refused that because there is no way to predict or control the stack height.
They also claim they had the UD matte black ready to ship which I wanted to consider but the communication was too slow and I had already lost the trust, so I decided to get a refund instead.
Who know what other area of their frames they have patched and spray paint over. OMG!
I finally got my refunds approved by Alibaba after sending back the frameset to a local address because they only wanted the lowest shipping cost of return to them.
I lost 211 USD in the transaction due to customs duty and sending the frameset to the local address they gave me.
The order was made on 5th Nov. 2020 got my money refunds approval Jan 4th 2021 by Alibaba.
I am really disappointed, sad and super pissed. A lot of money, time, effort wasted in research and preparing for this project.
All the parts for building the frame arrived and now need to start all over researching what frameset to get. (Any suggestions?)
Make sure your quality expectations aligns 100% with ICAN bikes or any other Chinese frame maker before they ship to you.
Ask for pictures of inside the headtube and bottom bracket at least.
I do not wish this for anyone. It is very painful and time wasting.
-----Update 3rd Feb 2021 ---
ICAN reached out and apologized for the situation from my last post. They have refunded me the money I loss due to customs duty and frameset return shipping.
Maybe in the future I will deal again but I have already ordered the TT-X21 from TanTan.
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My project:
A9 frame + ican aero 55+ sram red axs 2X12V
I hope frame does not have the same problem. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
(http://)
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Hey you have good news?
I'm afraid not. ICAN says it was sent on 14 December, but the tracking only link says 'Label Created', not 'Shipped'. I've sent a few e-mails asking for status updates. The latest info I have is: 'The shipping company has submitted the documents to the customs and is now waiting for the customs to review and release.
We have 20 items in this situation, so don’t worry, the shipping company will find a solution.'
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I have placed another order with ICAN they told me that due to Covid-19 the shipping is an absolute mess. Living in London means Brexit has added to those complications. Perry told me some of their frames destined for the UK have been stuck in Europe for 2 months because customs don't have a clue what to do with them or how to process them (I think this also might be do do with some kind of loophole closing that Chinese companies were using to get items into Europe. Many expensive items that i should have had to pay tax on came into Europe via Amsterdam and I never had to pay a penny. Other items that didn't come in via Amsterdam I had to pay the tax). The items are now being shipped via DHL and I will be paying my own tax on them. I will keep you guys updated on item quality and shipping times.
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My project:
A9 frame + ican aero 55+ sram red axs 2X12V
I hope frame does not have the same problem. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
(http://)
Hi, any update on your A9 project?
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Hey my Frame just arrvived very quick. It was send on Tuesday and arrived 2 days later in Germany :o
For the painting I had to wait 4 weeks! So all in all I am super happy.
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/6d0a46-1611843826.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-6d0a46-1611843826.jpg.html)
But just one thing makes me suspicious..
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/61cbb5-1611844120.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-61cbb5-1611844120.jpg.html)
I didn`t see any threads in this holes to attach the rear brake.. is this normal?
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Hey my Frame just arrvived very quick. It was send on Tuesday and arrived 2 days later in Germany :o
For the painting I had to wait 3 weeks! So all in all I am super happy.
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/6d0a46-1611843826.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-6d0a46-1611843826.jpg.html)
But just one thing makes me suspicious..
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/61cbb5-1611844120.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-61cbb5-1611844120.jpg.html)
I didn`t see any threads in this holes to attach the rear brake.. is this normal?
Please send on some pictures!
Yes the holes for mounting brake calipers shouldnt be threaded. a bolt screws directly into the caliper from below so threads are not needed. look at the pictures in another A9 thread: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3123.0.html
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Please send on some pictures!
Yes the holes for mounting brake calipers shouldnt be threaded. a bolt screws directly into the caliper from below so threads are not needed. look at the pictures in another A9 thread: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3123.0.html
Thanks! Then I am completly fine with my frameset ;D
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Thanks! Then I am completly fine with my frameset ;D
It is called Flatmount, another type of brake mount.
If you have postMount calipers, there are adapters.
And insure the length of the bolts you need, they differ, depending on the height of the frame at these holes.
In addition, they are usually sized for a 140mm disc, and you need an adapter if you put 160mm discs.
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-----Update 3rd Feb 2021 ---
ICAN reached out and apologized for the situation from my last post. They have refunded me the money I loss due to customs duty and frameset return shipping.
Maybe in the future I will deal again but I have already ordered the TT-X21 from TanTan.
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Out for a ride with a mate today. Does it look like there's nearly a 10k price difference? Definitely doesn't perform like there is. ;D
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Out for a ride with a mate today. Does it look like there's nearly a 10k price difference? Definitely doesn't perform like there is. ;D
Your A9 looks really awesome!
Sad I missed out on this nice frameset.
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Out for a ride with a mate today. Does it look like there's nearly a 10k price difference? Definitely doesn't perform like there is. ;D
We share the same kind of expensive friends ;)
Not sure, but it looks the derailleur is not tensioning enough the chain.
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We share the same kind of expensive friends ;)
Not sure, but it looks the derailleur is not tensioning enough the chain.
Yes you are right about the chain. The OSPW only has one option for spring tension and it is too loose. If I shorten the chain to increase the tension then it skips in the 28 cog. I haven't had any chain drop or shifting issues, it just looks a bit slack. I am eyeing up the KCNC OSPW, looks really well made.
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Out for a ride with a mate today. Does it look like there's nearly a 10k price difference? Definitely doesn't perform like there is. ;D
what is your framesize?
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This is a 56cm, as stated earlier in the build thread.
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Yes you are right about the chain. The OSPW only has one option for spring tension and it is too loose. If I shorten the chain to increase the tension then it skips in the 28 cog. I haven't had any chain drop or shifting issues, it just looks a bit slack. I am eyeing up the KCNC OSPW, looks really well made.
I had the same thing happen with my R8000 RD. Personally I think there is a problem with the design; the mounting angle of the RD is too far forward.
So I replaced the RD's chain tension screw with a longer screw. The symptoms improved.
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I didn't have the problem with my original r8000 hanger, definitely the OSPW for me. I think we have our derailleurs on differently (not sure which way is correct. Take a look at the angle of or hangers, yours is straight while mine is at an angle. I just had a look at a mates bike that was built by a professional mechanic and his is also angled. It may be something for you to look at. Remove derailleur, rotate backwards and tighten it up again.
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Hi. I'm very interested in ospw.. It seems like the rockbros One. How does It work? It's very cool to see..
The Golden cassette Is the slr ztto? I'd like to buy the rainbow One..
Ospw Cage support 11-32 cassette ?
Thanks
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Do not buy the rockbros OSPW. It is not good quality and purchasing it was a mistake. I am going to buy the KCNC one instead.11-32 cassette should work fine.
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Ok.
Thank you Matt_C..
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Thanks for the advice.
Just when I think it's a good time to try it, since Japan is under a declared state of emergency and I can't go out :-[
I didn't have the problem with my original r8000 hanger, definitely the OSPW for me. I think we have our derailleurs on differently (not sure which way is correct. Take a look at the angle of or hangers, yours is straight while mine is at an angle. I just had a look at a mates bike that was built by a professional mechanic and his is also angled. It may be something for you to look at. Remove derailleur, rotate backwards and tighten it up again.
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Can any one explain me why an Ican aero A9 frame is a beter quality than For instance https://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html (ftp://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html)
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Can any one explain me why an Ican aero A9 frame is a beter quality than For instance https://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html (ftp://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html)
I think you can get Problems if you import this. Looks like plagiarism to me.
I don't know whether it's be better quality then for example velobuild frames, which are much cheaper, but for me was also a good communication is important.
Look better for a manufacturer that label his own name an his products. Gives me a better feeling.
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Can any one explain me why an Ican aero A9 frame is a beter quality than For instance https://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html (ftp://www.championcyclingsell.com/2020-style-carbon-sl7-tarmac-s-work-road-bike-carbon-frame-supper-light-weight-sl7-cycling-bike-frameset-made-in-china-p2972875.html)
The issue with counterfeit is trust. Can you find reviews of this company? Are they reliable? What problems have people had with their frames? If something goes wrong will they make it right? Can they just steal your money and vanish?
With the well known factories you have some sort of safety because they have a reputation to uphold. ICAN have been around for something like 12 years. They aren't going to run off with your $700 into the sunset. If something goes wrong they reply and try to fix it. They do not want their reputation going down the drain. Take AliExpress for example. The accounts selling counterfeit frames are here today gone tomorrow. You could get a fantastic frame with these people but the gamble is too much for me. I'd rather have the peace of mind, warranty and reliability of a well known factory.
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Today frame and wheels are going to be shipped..
Can't wait to ride it..
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Looks fantastic. Post some pictures of the build when you can.
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I didn't have the problem with my original r8000 hanger, definitely the OSPW for me. I think we have our derailleurs on differently (not sure which way is correct. Take a look at the angle of or hangers, yours is straight while mine is at an angle. I just had a look at a mates bike that was built by a professional mechanic and his is also angled. It may be something for you to look at. Remove derailleur, rotate backwards and tighten it up again.
Hi Matt_C, what is the brand and model of the red and black aero bike frame and any idea of the weight of the complete red and black bike?
Also what is the weight of your A9 bike in this complete bike setup?
Thanks.
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That is a Cannondale Systemsix. It weighs 8.1kg without bottles (non hi-mod frame and 80mm wheels adds some weight). My bike is 7.85kg without bottles
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Looks fantastic. Post some pictures of the build when you can.
Of course I will do.
How long the shipment take ti arrive in your country?
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....... Full price I paid to ICAN was $886 via paypal.
did you pay $886 for frameset and shipping? I paid $1100 ( $900 for frameset and $200 shipping cost )
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The shippingcosts are shocking. Have they always been this bad or is this extreme?
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Hey my Frame just arrvived very quick. It was send on Tuesday and arrived 2 days later in Germany :o
For the painting I had to wait 4 weeks! So all in all I am super happy.
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/6d0a46-1611843826.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-6d0a46-1611843826.jpg.html)
But just one thing makes me suspicious..
(https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/61cbb5-1611844120.jpg) (https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-61cbb5-1611844120.jpg.html)
I didn`t see any threads in this holes to attach the rear brake.. is this normal?
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Wow very cool.
The wheels are 50mm profile?
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55MM HUB NOVATEC 411
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THE ICAN A9 BIKE WITH 100KM AND SRAM AXS FORCE FIRST IMPRESSIONS VERY GOOD RIGIDITY, FAST, SILENT, COMFORT. THE AERO MODEL WHEELS ROLL VERY THIN WITH STRENGTH. HBO17 HANDLEBAR IS NOT AT THE FIT OF THE FRAME EVEN THOUGH IT IS NICE AND DOES THEIR FUNCTION, THE INTERNAL WIRING IS HARD-
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You mean hard to rotate left and right?
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Today is my day.
Bike and wheels arrived this morning After 13 days.
Shipping was very very fast.
Can't wait to ride it..
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Thank you!
The wheels are from an AliExpress seller called "Elite Wheels". They only cost me £290 and I am very happy with them for the price. You can spec whatever hub you want but I went with their own brand 6 pawl hub which is super loud but I feel like it won't last to long in UK weather. Next time I will try their own brand ratchet hub which is similar to DTswiss.
Hi Matt, can you give me the link of the Elite Wheels, can't find them....
Thanx!
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It's pretty hard not to find them. They are the biggest wheel.seller on AliExpress. Just type in "carbon wheelset" and sort by the number of orders and they will show up.
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It's pretty hard not to find them. They are the biggest wheel.seller on AliExpress. Just type in "carbon wheelset" and sort by the number of orders and they will show up.
I could find them, but what is the exact type you have ;)
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this one?
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000785143852.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.521db517n52wgQ&algo_pvid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be&algo_expid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be-33&btsid=2100bde316171374795671733e1cc0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ (https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000785143852.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.521db517n52wgQ&algo_pvid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be&algo_expid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be-33&btsid=2100bde316171374795671733e1cc0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_)
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this one?
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000785143852.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.521db517n52wgQ&algo_pvid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be&algo_expid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be-33&btsid=2100bde316171374795671733e1cc0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ (https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000785143852.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.521db517n52wgQ&algo_pvid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be&algo_expid=b5d44a09-29aa-4bed-a330-b77c767bf8be-33&btsid=2100bde316171374795671733e1cc0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_)
No, this is the store.
￡252.48 28%OFF | ELITEWHEELS Carbon Wheels Disc Brake 700c Road Bike Wheelset ENT UCI Quality Carbon Rim Center Lock Or 6-blot Bock Road Cycling
https://a.aliexpress.com/_v3BUkt
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No, this is the store.
￡252.48 28%OFF | ELITEWHEELS Carbon Wheels Disc Brake 700c Road Bike Wheelset ENT UCI Quality Carbon Rim Center Lock Or 6-blot Bock Road Cycling
https://a.aliexpress.com/_v3BUkt
Thank you!. I like the glossy look of the rims, but they're not available right now :-\
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Finally finished..
Tomorrow morning I will ride it..
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Nice Bike !, enjoy your ride
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Nice Bike !, enjoy your ride
Thanks so much
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Very nice ... regarding the assembly had you problems?
I read on forums that some had problems with the stem
What pedals did you put?
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The hardest part of installation was the internal cables into the handlebar..
4 cables..
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No other problems?
What pedals did you put?
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I had to insert a shim over the headset bearing ..because if I close the top cap too hard, the handlebar wouldn't turn.
0.5 mm shim..
the pedals are crank Brothers Candy. because I use mtb shoes and then I prefer a pedal with double coupling
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Looking good, got more pics?
It hard to see the color right
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Finally my first Testride. It took a time because I have to wait for the Wheels..
In addition I have a little Problem with the Headset. I thought i fixed it but after the Testride I got bearing clearance again..
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Finally my first Testride. It took a time because I have to wait for the Wheels..
In addition I have a little Problem with the Headset. I thought i fixed it but after the Testride I got bearing clearance again..
If anybody wants to know..
I took the size 56 and I am 188cm tall, I take the 110mm Stem and the bike fits like a condom. Dont take the 58 and go for the Sizing Chart on their website.
The weight of the Bike is exact 8kg and includes everything you see on the picture. including the fitlock bottle holder on the downtube (small black thing)
I thought it was a good Idea to let the FD cable go through the "Downtubehole" (a bit of engineering skills was necessary) because i can place a barrel adjuster on the Front and in addition I got more room in the Handlebar and Headtube for the rest of the cabling - the Result is that I nearly dont need the Barreladjuster to bring enough tension to the FD ::)
The Groupset is a Mixture of SRAM Force/Rival, Zrace and Sensah - works very well and crispy
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How did you try to adjust the headset play ?
I put 0.5 mm of round shims cutted..
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How did you try to adjust the headset play ?
I put 0.5 mm of round shims cutted..
I put some Carbon paste on the expander. It looks like that the Expander gets pushed up if you ride on cobblestone for example.
For now it works... but I just ride nice Tarmac so.. Another Option I read about is to put an old cutted Tube over the expander
What do you mean with "0.5 mm of round shims cutted" ?
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I bought these micro shims and cutted 4 or 5 of them to adapt them to the space over the headset.. Now I' m thinking about doing a shim cutted by a 1 mm Iron shim by a friend of mine that works metal for work.
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Here we are..
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So nice to find a bunch of fellow A9 riders! All my riding buddies are like Why? I built mine in Nov/Dec. 3500 miles. 6? races. 1 crash at 39mph. and only a minor scratch to the bike...my build is XL, Hb017. ultegra di2, quarq pwm w duraace chain rings, toseek carbon saddle, tokyo wheels epic 3.4, shimano ultegra pedals, aftermarket TAs I forget brand. Since the pics I've removed headset spacers and cut stem more. I've struggled with creaky headset and saddle rail clamps that allow saddle creep on 2 different saddles but I think I've fixed it by painting a tad of epoxy with skid proof mixed in on top and bottom of the rails. I maybe should have gotten the L and I'm 6'2". it's a big bike. handles very well super smooth and stiff. I started riding this bike at 220 lbs weight but I'm losing weight, down to 194 so far. Great bike.
I was new to building fully internal integrated hydraulic. Routing cables in the handlebar was very difficult. I also goofed and cut the steerer to short but Doris at Ican was like no problem and sent me a matching replacement for like $120! I will say on routing dont worry so much about dinging and kinking the ends of the hydraulics lines. Remember you will be cutting that part off anyways.
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I bought these micro shims and cutted 4 or 5 of them to adapt them to the space over the headset.. Now I' m thinking about doing a shim cutted by a 1 mm Iron shim by a friend of mine that works metal for work.
Can you explain what problem you solved with the shim? I cant get mine to not creak a bit. I wonder if this would help
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I put some Carbon paste on the expander. It looks like that the Expander gets pushed up if you ride on cobblestone for example.
For now it works... but I just ride nice Tarmac so.. Another Option I read about is to put an old cutted Tube over the expander
What do you mean with "0.5 mm of round shims cutted" ?
I also used carbon paste. and 5nm torque...no instructions...so that was my guess. seems to hold fine
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Looks like my prior post has a problem, I can't see it anymore, so sorry if this is a repost.
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So nice to find a bunch of fellow A9 riders!
All my riding buddies are like Why? I built mine in Nov/Dec 2020. I have more than 3500 miles. 6? races. 1 crash at 39mph and only a minor scratch to the bike...
my build is XL, Hb017. ultegra di2, quarq pwm w duraace chain rings, toseek carbon saddle, tokyo wheels epic 3.4, shimano ultegra pedals, DT Swiss through axles,
since the pics I've removed headset spacers and cut stem more and put in specalized rib bottle cages.
I've struggled with a creaky headset. And my saddle rail clamps allowed the saddle to creep on 2 different saddles but I think I've fixed it by painting a tad of epoxy with skid proof mixed in on top and bottom of the rails. I maybe should have gotten the L and I'm 6'2". it's a big bike. handles very well. super smooth and stiff. I started riding this bike at 220 lbs weight but I'm losing weight, down to 194 so far. Great bike.
I was new to building fully internal integrated hydraulic. Routing cables in the handlebar was very difficult for a first timer. I also goofed and cut the steerer to short but Doris at Ican was like no problem and sent me a matching replacement for like $120! I will say on routing don't worry so much about dinging and kinking the ends of the hydraulics lines. Remember you will be cutting that part off anyways.
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Let me add to this thread. Been using it for info before I ordered my frame, it seems like they don’t have much in stock except for flat black frames. Got it in a week with express shipping.Originally I wanted the khaki color frame but since I needed it quick I ended up with the matte black one. All the parts were in great condition and everything fits well. Only issue I had was with the handlebar hole for the fork is too tight so I had I sand that down to get it to fit right. Hardest part was routing the cables through the handle bar…that was a nightmare! Final weight 17.7lbs(w/ cages, garmin mount and pedals) size 49 frame.
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Hello all,
Finally got my ICAN A9 and started building the bike.
I have run into some trouble and I'm not able to understand what to do now. The length of the front caliper is not matching with the threads provided in the fork.
What do I do? Please help :'(
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I've never worked with SRAM, but does the front caliper have different adapters for different fork setups?
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Hello all,
Finally got my ICAN A9 and started building the bike.
I have run into some trouble and I'm not able to understand what to do now. The length of the front caliper is not matching with the threads provided in the fork.
What do I do? Please help :'(
I cannot really see your brake caliper from that angle but it seems like it might be a post mount caliper. If it is then you need a post to flat mount adapter to install it.
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Yup, as above. Definitely looks like post mount caliper and flat mount fork. Photo isn't 100% clear though.
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Yup you're both right. Definitely post mount caliper. Their flat mount doesn't have a curved edge on the side that's facing the frame
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anybody have seatpost slippage problems with this frame? thinking of retiring my velobuild 086 for this and the only issue that had was a slipping seatpost
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Looks like my prior post has a problem, I can't see it anymore, so sorry if this is a repost.
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So nice to find a bunch of fellow A9 riders!
All my riding buddies are like Why? I built mine in Nov/Dec 2020. I have more than 3500 miles. 6? races. 1 crash at 39mph and only a minor scratch to the bike...
my build is XL, Hb017. ultegra di2, quarq pwm w duraace chain rings, toseek carbon saddle, tokyo wheels epic 3.4, shimano ultegra pedals, DT Swiss through axles,
since the pics I've removed headset spacers and cut stem more and put in specalized rib bottle cages.
I've struggled with a creaky headset. And my saddle rail clamps allowed the saddle to creep on 2 different saddles but I think I've fixed it by painting a tad of epoxy with skid proof mixed in on top and bottom of the rails. I maybe should have gotten the L and I'm 6'2". it's a big bike. handles very well. super smooth and stiff. I started riding this bike at 220 lbs weight but I'm losing weight, down to 194 so far. Great bike.
I was new to building fully internal integrated hydraulic. Routing cables in the handlebar was very difficult for a first timer. I also goofed and cut the steerer to short but Doris at Ican was like no problem and sent me a matching replacement for like $120! I will say on routing don't worry so much about dinging and kinking the ends of the hydraulics lines. Remember you will be cutting that part off anyways.
Beautiful bike, Do you mind sharing the color code ?
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anybody have seatpost slippage problems with this frame? thinking of retiring my velobuild 086 for this and the only issue that had was a slipping seatpost
No issues for me.
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I decided to strip the matte black paint down to carbon and put a clear coat on it. I also, converted the headset and stem to an SL7 one for more flexibility as the shortest stem and bar combo ICAN offers is 90x400mm which was a month wait for me at the time. So I went with 100x400mm which was too long for me. What I needed was a 80mm stem which the SL7 offers, there isn't that many Aero bars out there that offers anything shorter than 90mm. Plus, with this setup the maintenance is much easier as the cables don't run inside the bar.
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I decided to strip the matte black paint down to carbon and put a clear coat on it. I also, converted the headset and stem to an SL7 one for more flexibility as the shortest stem and bar combo ICAN offers is 90x400mm which was a month wait for me at the time. So I went with 100x400mm which was too long for me. What I needed was a 80mm stem which the SL7 offers, there isn't that many Aero bars out there that offers anything shorter than 90mm. Plus, with this setup the maintenance is much easier as the cables don't run inside the bar.
Did you modify your headset cup to fit the SL7 set up?
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Did you modify your headset cup to fit the SL7 set up?
Yes. Also the centering plate that sits on top of the bearing because specialized uses 39.5mm vs 40mm that’s more common.
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This frame looks lovely.
Anyone any recent photos in the wild?
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My frameset came about a week ago and I was giving it a look over today. Something caught my eye which I wonder if anyone else ever experienced. There is a hole drilled into the fork for internal routing of hydraulic brakes (nothing wrong with that, quite ordinary). Right next to it is what appears to be another hole that was drilled, and then filled with some sort of resin. Has anyone seen a fork like this? I'm worried that it's not safe to use, though I can't imaging ICAN would knowingly patch over a hole and then drill another one if they didn't think it was out of safety tolerances.
(https://i.imgur.com/I3Ev3te.jpg)
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My frameset came about a week ago and I was giving it a look over today. Something caught my eye which I wonder if anyone else ever experienced. There is a hole drilled into the fork for internal routing of hydraulic brakes (nothing wrong with that, quite ordinary). Right next to it is what appears to be another hole that was drilled, and then filled with some sort of resin. Has anyone seen a fork like this? I'm worried that it's not safe to use, though I can't imaging ICAN would knowingly patch over a hole and then drill another one if they didn't think it was out of safety tolerances.
What did ICAN say about the hole when you contacted them?
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What did ICAN say about the hole when you contacted them?
I talked to Peggy over WhatsApp and after checking with their factory she said it was normal
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I would definitely not say it's 'normal' ... unless their forks are all the rejects from when the factory workers are drunk at 4pm on a Friday and start drilling the holes on the side of the fork instead of the front. Also there's generally very high porosity (loads of small voids) - suggesting something wrong with the resin - and the join below (in photo) or above (on steerer) looks really bad. In general this looks like it's really bad quality.
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I would definitely not say it's 'normal' ... unless their forks are all the rejects from when the factory workers are drunk at 4pm on a Friday and start drilling the holes on the side of the fork instead of the front. Also there's generally very high porosity (loads of small voids) - suggesting something wrong with the resin - and the join below (in photo) or above (on steerer) looks really bad. In general this looks like it's really bad quality.
Yeah it is a bit odd isn't it... the "official" hole is on the side which is consistent with what I've seen on other forks with internal routing. It is just that pocket of resin that looks like a filled hole that worries me. I doubt you could even call the pores "voids" since whatever fills that hole was placed after the initial vacuum.
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So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say none of your headtubes look like this on the inside either... :o
(https://i.imgur.com/CmG9BAu.jpeg)
(https://imgur.com/RVziChN.jpeg)
(https://imgur.com/COvHtwB.jpeg)
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wow
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I've had a bad experience with an ICAN quality issue as well recently. Although not as shocking as the above head tube. I'll probably make a post about it properly soon.
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Hambini would have a field day.
Oh, his frame was perfect. How convenient.
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That is horrible, absolutely not safe to ride, and further evidence that we really are rolling the dice with these budget tier frames. I think it is clear at this point that anyone who has not bought anonymously or been sent a frame for review has been sent a "good" frame, and we the consumers get whatever rolls of the line with essentially no QC.
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I get contacted everyday, sometimes multiple times a day, on my recommendation for a new frame set.
And I always give the same answer: Spend as much as you can.
It’s surprising how many folks outright tell me they have the budget for a Yoeleo/Winspace/Seka, yet believe buying a $500-$700 frame will yield similar quality and experience. It won’t.
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So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say none of your headtubes look like this on the inside either... :o
(https://i.imgur.com/CmG9BAu.jpeg)
(https://imgur.com/RVziChN.jpeg)
(https://imgur.com/COvHtwB.jpeg)
That's appalling. Not just the bearing seats (which are way worse than my already shitty VB-099) but the headtube itself too.
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I get contacted everyday, sometimes multiple times a day, on my recommendation for a new frame set.
And I always give the same answer: Spend as much as you can.
It’s surprising how many folks outright tell me they have the budget for a Yoeleo/Winspace/Seka, yet believe buying a $500-$700 frame will yield similar quality and experience. It won’t.
I don't think people should expect Yoeleo to be in the same bracket as Speeder or Seka ... they're cheapo frames with pretty paint.
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That's bloody horrible, my ICAN p9 frame was finished to a completely different level, what are they saying?
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That's bloody horrible, my ICAN p9 frame was finished to a completely different level, what are they saying?
In regards to the two holes in the steerer tube, ICAN said that was normal. The frame also has only one set of water bottle cages drilled in. Their remark was that due to the small size (it is under 50cm) that they could not place two water bottle cages on the frame. Which is funny considering my CAAD8 and old Cervelo were both 48cm and both have two sets of water bottle cages. In regards to the headtube, they have not said anything (but the message was read and they have had 2 days to respond now). Oh and did I mention the BB shell is not quite circular and will not fit even a nylon bottom bracket? A far cry from Hambini's "bang on"
I have decided to take this matter to Paypal and see what they say. If you guys have any recommendations for resolving a dispute, that would be helpful. My goal is not to slander the company (seems like they do mostly put out good products) but I do expect to get a refund for the cost of the frame/fork and the cost of shipping a defective product from China.
I have not yet decided on a frameset for the build I'm doing but after this experience I will probably stick with large manufacturers. Maybe a TIME or LOOK
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A user from the forum did not have any luck with PayPal chargeback. I hope it works for you.
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I tried the PayPal route in a similar case, and was instructed by PayPal to mail it back at my expense. I hope you manage to get something back.
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I have not yet decided on a frameset for the build I'm doing but after this experience I will probably stick with large manufacturers. Maybe a TIME or LOOK
In particular reason why you didn't go with a large manufacture to begin with?
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In particular reason why you didn't go with a large manufacture to begin with?
I really thought this was going to be a good product, and that the cost savings were maybe due to limited warranty/support. I have purchased carbon wheels, electronics (like an ultrasound machine and industrial LEDs), and furniture from other Chinese companies with great results.
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I tried the PayPal route in a similar case, and was instructed by PayPal to mail it back at my expense. I hope you manage to get something back.
I'm sorry that happened, how did your build turn out? May I ask what was the defect you experienced? and would ICAN allow you to send it to their US warehouse?
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I'm sorry that happened, how did your build turn out? May I ask what was the defect you experienced? and would ICAN allow you to send it to their US warehouse?
It was another vendor, Velobuild. I had a bunch of little problems with my frame and still haven't built it, granted it doesn't look anywhere near as bad as your ICAN frame and they did at least send me some replacement parts.
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Wow. I’ve generally heard positive things about ICAN, but this is shocking.
Just this one sample alone, and the response you received takes ICAN out of contention for any N+1 consideration
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Wow. I’ve generally heard positive things about ICAN, but this is shocking.
Just this one sample alone, and the response you received takes ICAN out of contention for any N+1 consideration
As an update after I showed them the headtube and asked for a refund, they agreed and asked for the frame to be shipped back. There was no pushback. Refund has not been issued yet as they haven't gotten the frame, but they did pay for a shipping label for me to send the frame back to Shenzhen.
I also found a new Trek Domane SLR frameset that was being sold for cheap so I decided to use that for the time being. In the spirit of this forum I'll go for Chinese carbon wheels
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For the amount of money it has to cost ICAN to ship the frame back to their factory...they could have easily performed a two minute QC check either on the production line or before shipping.
There is obviously a disconnect somewhere. Usually is the case when a brand is no more than an agent rather than manufacturer.
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I mean a full refund including paid for return shipping is good customer service imo, obviously would have been better if it was caught in QC before being sent out.
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For the amount of money it has to cost ICAN to ship the frame back to their factory...they could have easily performed a two minute QC check either on the production line or before shipping.
There is obviously a disconnect somewhere. Usually is the case when a brand is no more than an agent rather than manufacturer.
I think there's a general attitude that the customers are mugs and they'll lap it up. Throughout the industry.
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I mean a full refund including paid for return shipping is good customer service imo, obviously would have been better if it was caught in QC before being sent out.
I agree with this. If they end up giving me a refund for the frame I will say my experience with the company (though not the actual product) was comparable to working with a company in NA. Much better so far than my previous experience with European companies.
+ I had customer service support through WhatsApp
+ Shipping time here was on par domestic products (though cost is a lot more)
- Their service hours were not as convenient for me due to time difference
- Return shipping was slightly more inconvenient (but was still free)
I am actually surprised they wanted the frame back. I can't imagine they would try to sell it again. So either it is an attempt to refute my dispute, or they will analyze it to see what went wrong in the manufacturing process. I am hoping it is the latter.
And yes obviously the QC check could be more strict, and from my personal standpoint it was inconvenient. But if ICAN sells mostly domestically within China (or does mostly OEM), the loss from product returns may be less than you think. Maybe hiring more QC technicians would cost more.
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Did they end up refunding you?
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As an update after I showed them the headtube and asked for a refund, they agreed and asked for the frame to be shipped back. There was no pushback. Refund has not been issued yet as they haven't gotten the frame, but they did pay for a shipping label for me to send the frame back to Shenzhen.
I also found a new Trek Domane SLR frameset that was being sold for cheap so I decided to use that for the time being. In the spirit of this forum I'll go for Chinese carbon wheels
Hi, did you get your money back? What ultimately happened? I think it's a good case study of the serious, or lack thereof, of ICAN.
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Hi,
I read (about) all this topic with great interest, but page 7 does not open !?
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Is speeder considered a high quality operation? Genuine question as I’m considering pulling the trigger on a 49d frame to go with my winspace hypers and ultegra di2 build.
I don't think people should expect Yoeleo to be in the same bracket as Speeder or Seka ... they're cheapo frames with pretty paint.
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I soon hope to be adding to this thread as I pulled the trigger on a 58cm A9 frame. I have a particular high inseam (93cm) and needed a frame with a longish seat tube, ruling out the Velobuild options - but also wanted something a bit higher quality.
I was after a white frame with black components built and coincidentally they had one in my size finished and ready to go - below is an image from Ican which used their specific graphics, kinda like it.
Regarding tire size, they do indeed claim 28c as the max, even when prompted. However, they mentioned as well the clearance is bigger than the A22 frame and a fellow Chinertown member mentioned 32mm is not an issue on the A22 frame. I'll find out soon enough.
I also scored a set of wheels from Peter, advertised here in the forum, 44mm deep, 28mm outer width. Now onto groupsets, for which I think I will go the mechanical route, possibly R8000, anything hydraulic or electronic seems out of proportion in price/value.
Edit: Ultegra 8020 it is :) couldn't help myself (Merlin Cycles)
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Hi, did you get your money back? What ultimately happened? I think it's a good case study of the serious, or lack thereof, of ICAN.
Hey sorry I hadn't been on this forum for a while. ICAN refunded me the full price of the frameset and shipping. They asked for the frame back and paid for shipping there. They did not wait until the frame had arrived, before refunding me
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I soon hope to be adding to this thread as I pulled the trigger on a 58cm A9 frame. I have a particular high inseam (93cm) and needed a frame with a longish seat tube, ruling out the Velobuild options - but also wanted something a bit higher quality.
I was after a white frame with black components built and coincidentally they had one in my size finished and ready to go - below is an image from Ican which used their specific graphics, kinda like it.
Regarding tire size, they do indeed claim 28c as the max, even when prompted. However, they mentioned as well the clearance is bigger than the A22 frame and a fellow Chinertown member mentioned 32mm is not an issue on the A22 frame. I'll find out soon enough.
I also scored a set of wheels from Peter, advertised here in the forum, 44mm deep, 28mm outer width. Now onto groupsets, for which I think I will go the mechanical route, possibly R8000,
anything hydraulic or electronic seems out of proportion in price/value.
Edit: Ultegra 8020 it is :) couldn't help myself (Merlin Cycles)
Looking forward to see the end result. Good luck with the build.
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Ok, an update.
I received the frame, but a little rocky road dealing with ICAN after the purchase.
First up, weights:
Frame, 58cm, 1241
Thru axles, 79
Fork (uncut), 413
Seat tube, 280
Headset bearings, 65
Handlebar-tube plug, 40
Handlebar-tube spacers, 90
Not ultralight but for an aero frame not bad either. Still a sub-8KG build with the other components (Ultegra 8020).
To get there though, don't use the separate stem and handlebar option. The stem itself comes at a whopping 322 grams. Bit of a waste when trying to shave off weight everywhere else. I contacted them telling it's a bit odd they take that much care to get the frame weight down but then give you a solid piece of ALU to weigh it down.
I asked them to switch for an integrated handlebar instead but that negotiation was rocky...
In any case, once the handlebar arrives I can build up the bike beyond just the rim here.
On the upside, the frame accepts the Gravelkings 32C, run tubeless on a 21mm internal width rim (28 outer). Feeling good about the build and will post another update once I get the handlebar in.
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looks like there's plenty of clearance to the the seat stays and seat tube.
but what about the BB area? can you take a photo looking down?
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No problem. See below, there is 4-5mm free on either side near the BB.
Tire is at 80psi.
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No problem. See below, there is 4-5mm free on either side near the BB.
Tire is at 80psi.
I actually meant at the front as that's where it looks like it's closest. Or maybe it isn't? Do you have pics of the bearing seats in the headtube and fork steerer? I'd be curious to see, given a couple of less than stellar ones (vs the Hambini special A22).
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It’s the closest near the BB area of the rear wheel - clearance is fine for a 32c tire for sure. The large frame size might help as I guess everything is slightly supersized other than the fork.
I attached the requested head tube bearing seats. I don’t see any real concerns but I have to build the frame up to confirm the tolerances etc.
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Looks fine.
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I may be about to pull the trigger on an ICAN A9. Any positive/negative feedback before I do? I've read through most of this thread, and there are some things like stem weight, the forks with the hole filled. I'm going on the assumption that by paying more with ICAN, I will get better service and quality than some of the less expensive sellers.
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I soon hope to be adding to this thread as I pulled the trigger on a 58cm A9 frame. I have a particular high inseam (93cm) and needed a frame with a longish seat tube, ruling out the Velobuild options - but also wanted something a bit higher quality.
I was after a white frame with black components built and coincidentally they had one in my size finished and ready to go - below is an image from Ican which used their specific graphics, kinda like it.
Regarding tire size, they do indeed claim 28c as the max, even when prompted. However, they mentioned as well the clearance is bigger than the A22 frame and a fellow Chinertown member mentioned 32mm is not an issue on the A22 frame. I'll find out soon enough.
I also scored a set of wheels from Peter, advertised here in the forum, 44mm deep, 28mm outer width. Now onto groupsets, for which I think I will go the mechanical route, possibly R8000, anything hydraulic or electronic seems out of proportion in price/value.
Edit: Ultegra 8020 it is :) couldn't help myself (Merlin Cycles)
that looks really nice, would love to get a review once youve ridden it. i'm thinking of pulling the Trigger on an A9, A22 or a Lexon mission but not sure which one i want yet.
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I'm missing brake caliper bolts for my build. Does anyone know what length to use for Shimano R8020 hydraulics?
EDIT: Measured the frame. It's 25mm thick so type c mounting bolt of that length works.
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Does anyone know if the headset for the A9 is FSA NO.55R 1.5/ACR ?
Planning my build right know..
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Have pulled the trigger and ordered ICAN A9 frame. The communication with Peggy was very nice, he could answer all my questions.
Ordered shipping to be scheduled on specific date. All in all with black friday discount was 1002 USD incuding shipping to Germany.
I will post here the pictures what I will get and hopefully the complete build.
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Does the frame ship without bottom race for the fork? I'm expecting to put something between the fork and lower bearing.
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I am also in the negotiation stage of an A9 frame order but I have a question that Peggy is struggling to answer. At the front derailleur end of the cable routing, there must be an outer cable stop somewhere internally in the frame or on the square piece. I have a SRAM Force 22 mechanical front derailleur and there must be an outer cable stop/holder somewhere. Does anyone have any photos of this?
Thanks, Jordan.
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This photo is all Peggy has sent me but I’m looking for a photo of what holds the outer cable. Does anyone have a photo of this?
Thanks, Jordan.
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This photo is all Peggy has sent me but I’m looking for a photo of what holds the outer cable. Does anyone have a photo of this?
Thanks, Jordan.
There is cable stop in the black blanking plate. Shifting cable will run naked to the FD from there.
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My A9 is finally arrived. Video review will follow, but here are some things I have noticed, which I can not judge myself, especially in the headset area.
1.From the picture one can see it is a bit rough (where I marked red). Some discoloration does not bother me at all since it will not be visible anyways.
2. In the video one can see some freeplay between the headset and the bearing. It means, the frame is wider by probably 1mm. Both bearings tested, since I do not know which is the correct one. Do you think it is a reason for concern ?
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My A9 is finally arrived. Video review will follow, but here are some things I have noticed, which I can not judge myself, especially in the headset area.
1.From the picture one can see it is a bit rough (where I marked red). Some discoloration does not bother me at all since it will not be visible anyways.
2. In the video one can see some freeplay between the headset and the bearing. It means, the frame is wider by probably 1mm. Both bearings tested, since I do not know which is the correct one. Do you think it is a reason for concern ?
Looks almost as bad as my Velobuild. Though I think in the case of the latter that was them chewing it up with power tools. In your case it looks like they cut into a massive void when they machined the bearing seat, which then disintegrated. It's obviously totally unacceptable. In my case it wasn't worth pursuing. Getting a replacement frame through customs would have been a nightmare. For this and other reasons (mainly other problems with it), the VB is relegated to trainer bike. If you're reasonably able to pursue a replacement frame, I would, as that's awful ...
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My A9 is finally arrived. Video review will follow, but here are some things I have noticed, which I can not judge myself, especially in the headset area.
That's a definite no from me. Bearing seat looks rough....
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Thanks for your opinions. I had a big hopes on A9 since it was a 1k frame, therefore should be better quality, but...
I will update how it goes with the warranty return.
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Thanks for your opinions. I had a big hopes on A9 since it was a 1k frame, therefore should be better quality, but...
I will update how it goes with the warranty return.
Any updates on this one Oleg? How was the warranty return experience?
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It is in the process. I have send the frame already. Hope I can recover all back.
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Just semi-finished my build after the wheels finally arrived today...
Very happy about the A9, the quality of the frame was Top notch so far (ordered without handlebar and used a Metron 5D ACR Replica). Proper pictures will follow soon.. Going for a first ride tomorrow
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Any updates on this one Oleg? How was the warranty return experience?
So, good thing is that return is fully completed.
1. Money for the frame came immediately after I showed them post tracking.
Still I have lost 80 Euros on currency EUR-USD conversion from my credit card.
2. They have paid me return shipping, but after they have received the package, so 1 month later.
From that point of view, ICAN is a fair company. Peggy is also nice, but he can not handle the absence of QC in ICAN.
Timewise, I lost 1.5 month on handling the faulty frame. All in all, I went with Winspace T1500 frame, bought used. Now my LBS builds a bike for me.
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Good continuation of the project. I can not be happy anymore.
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Just semi-finished my build after the wheels finally arrived today...
Very happy about the A9, the quality of the frame was Top notch so far (ordered without handlebar and used a Metron 5D ACR Replica). Proper pictures will follow soon.. Going for a first ride tomorrow
Can you share your experience?
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Ok, it has been a while but my A9 is doing well. I worked out a few issues with other components (Ultegra 8020 not shifting that well with the 11-speed Durace chain until I replaced the chain for a 12 speed Durace/9100 model), handlebar tape and a wider/shorter saddle.
It's a lovely bike now. The XL model works for me (1.96cm) running 175cm cranks. Seatpost has plenty of room left still. Pretty stiff where I want it to be, but - helped by the 32c tires - plenty compliant, am using the standard headset, and there is no play. Having this bike now makes me a little more observant when I see other brand-name bikes and I started to notice a few look alikes. i.e. Polygon Helios looks almost identical, to some of the Scott models - it might just be a popular shape?
Added a few pics for the interested ones just after build, before any fine-tuning.
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Hi All,
Thanks for all the guidance, I have read everything which has been very helpful! I am thinking of pulling the trigger soon on a size 56. I am 186cm and I think several people of similar heights have gone with this size and gone for a longer stem. Doing this however means the stock bars would all be too short, I therefore will source my own. Peggy has said this means it will not come with a headset however.
Does anyone have any guidance on headsets for this frame? She has said it is the standard ican HS373 which si an FSA no.42 however it doesn't like that's a headset for integrated cabling.
I believe some others have opted to get their own bars?
Thanks in advance.
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I strongly advise you not to buy the integrated handlebar model HB017 but HB21 because it is not possible to tighten well and there is always a little slack,while with the HB21 model, once tightened it doesn't move anymore.
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Thanks very much for the heads up. I think I will go for a non-ican bar as I'm after one with a 130mm stem which they don't do. unless I size up in which case I could go for the HB21 on your suggestion thanks.
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No problem. See below, there is 4-5mm free on either side near the BB.
Tire is at 80psi.
Sorry for resurrecting, but how wide do the 32c tires measure out on your set up?
Do you have any wear from rub in the rear chainstays by the bb after a year or so?
Close to pulling the trigger but attached to using some bontrager 3vs I have which are wiiide.