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Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame Anyone with the separate bar/handlebar combo...

Can you please provide photos of how the internal cable routing works from the handlebars into the steer tube? The photos on the website aren't exactly clear. Is there a cable opening at the center of the handlebars, where the stem bolts attach?

Thanks...
November 17, 2021, 03:06:44 PM 		1
My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video Hey All!

My name is Patrick. I've been lurking for a couple of months and finally have enough newsworthy details to create a post. Have not seen much discussion on the Dengfu R12 frameset, so I'm happy to share my first impressions and build experience. Included below is a 10 minute video of my unboxing and thoughts.



Here is what I currently own/have built for comparison sake:

Dengfu R12 - Just finished building this past weekend. Currently conducting test drives :)
Allez Sprint - Fully built with Winspace Hyper 65 rim brake wheels.
Yoeleo R6 - Fully built with Yoeleo SAT C50 wheels.
Winspace T1500 Disc - Awaiting build, with Hyper 65 wheels and Integrated Handlebars.
VeloBuild 177 - Just arrived today!! Will share my first impressions soon.

Ordering Process: Their customer support is decent and always reply to emails with 24 hours. They also answered every question I had from specs, to various options, and pricing.

Main criticisms -  I requested the 400mm/120mm integrated bars. They told me it was in stock. Two weeks later AFTER I made the purchase they said it was not stock, and had to go with the 400mm/110mm cars. This was quite frustrating because since I have a professional bike fit, my overall is very dialed in and I can immediately tell the 10mm difference. Also I would have loved to a rubber seatpost cover included.

Already I think I've been rambling for too long. The video explains everything much clearer. Im happy to answer any questions thanks!
December 13, 2021, 09:09:52 AM 		8
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video For some reason...the forum can't/won't load my YouTube URL. My apologies if this is against the rules.
Here is the title of the video: I May Have A Problem - Dengfu R12 First Look

A couple of other thoughts:
1. This was my first time building up a hydraulic disc brake frameset. It absolutely was AWFUL and thankfully all the learning lessons means that I could probably build my next disc bike in a single day....rather than over four days  :o

2. What took the longest during the process was undoubtably routing the cables and bleeding the brakes. And that's including using the Park Took internal cable routing guide tools as well as a legitimate brake bleed kit. While routing from the calipers to the lever is easier...next time I'd rather start from the levers. I initially had some brake oil leak from the levers so I'd rather have that setup properly first.

3. Having now built 3 bikes in the span of just over one year, I've learned that you really have to take your time. Watch as many YouTube tutorials as you can and don't skip or fast forward like I did haha. I originally overlooked the "burping" of the levers by tilting the bike up/down at 45 degree angles.

I'll upload a couple of finished photos later today.
December 13, 2021, 11:11:23 AM 		2
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video
Quote from: FHS on December 13, 2021, 01:36:24 PM
The problem with disc brakes is that the routing issues make the brake bleeding much more complicated. What you think may be a bleeding problem is just a hose that's pinched somewhere because of all the 90 degree bends and choke points from the levers through the headt tube.

Thanks for supporting my videos! Much appreciated.

Yeah this was my first open mold build. I wasted A LOT of mineral oil trying to bleed the brakes of bubbles. In theory the process is straight forward but can easily become a literal mess if not handled properly.

To be fair...I was totally rushing to build the bike over this past weekend because the weather forecast for Chicago had a three-day window of 45F+ degrees (7+ Celsius) in the coming days, before the cold is permanently here to stay. This week will probably be my final chance to ride outdoors comfortably until the Spring :(
December 13, 2021, 02:15:41 PM 		5
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video And here is the final build.

The decals/logo are my own design and I painted the frame at home myself: 3 coats of Dupi-Color Special Effex metallic paint and 3 coats of Spray Max 2K clearcoat. Wanted a little sparkle and protection while maintaining the "raw carbon" showing through.

The Hyper 65 wheels are intended for my Winspace T1500, but these will do until my other wheels arrive.

7.8kg without the PowerTap P2 pedals
December 15, 2021, 08:50:01 AM 		8
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video
Quote from: jannmayer on December 15, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
It's beautiful! I bet it's even better looking in person.


Did you polish the clear coat? I'm debating whether or not to do that when I paint my frame. Part of me wants to, but the more pessimistic part says it will just get scratched up before long anyways when I ride offroad.

Thank you! I'm gonna explain this in a video, dropping this weekend. But yeah I spent 2 hours compounding/polishing the frame before the decal work. It made a subtle but huge difference in both the shine and allowing the raw carbon to seep through.
December 15, 2021, 01:54:26 PM 		1
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video The video on painting my Dengfu R12 is live. By no means was my technique professional, but I'm happy with the results of the paint and decals.

YouTube Title: Spray Paint A Bike At Home Plus Custom Decals - Dengfu R12
December 17, 2021, 11:40:21 AM 		4
Re: Velobuild VB-R-177 Currently building up this week. Chameleon purple and blue.
December 20, 2021, 09:45:22 AM 		2
Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video
Quote from: Liter on December 20, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Looking forward for the 177 review.

Had two bikes from Velobuild and a MTB from Carbonda, have to say the quality finish from Carbonda was superior. In terms of quality which brand do you rate the highest so far?

I'm building the 177 as I type this LoL. So far there are tangible differences between my Dengfu R12 and VeloBuild 177:

1. The EPS latex molding that VeloBuild uses on the 177 makes a HUGE difference when routing cables though the frame. No rough edges for the cables to catch on.

2. Velobuild seems to have put more "thought and care" into frame accessibility for cable management.

3. Paint quality is good although no real world tests yet obviously. Granted I did paint my Dengfu at home, but the VeloBuild paint is obviously better.

4. Overall VeloBuild paid more attention to smaller details. Dealing with them felt more like they were actually bike enthusiasts rather than just a company wanting to sell me a generic frame.

My first impressions video on the 177 will be later this week. I'll keep everyone posted
December 20, 2021, 10:02:47 AM 		5
Re: Velobuild VB-R-177
Quote from: Velovelo on December 20, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
Beautiful!
What is the size of your frame?
Did you get to weigh the frame, fork and seat post separately?
Thanks!

My first impressions video on the 177 will be uploaded to YouTube later this week.

I ordered a size M.
Weight including both derailleur hangers, plastic grommets, and seatpost clamp is 1044 grams.
When you remove the hardware and paint then yup the weight is sub 1000 grams. Makes sense for T1000 carbon fiber.
December 20, 2021, 09:33:04 PM 		3