look at this graph and think about all the people that complain about the price of high end western bikes and components increasing over the years, yet people are still buying them. Just because theyre chinese doesnt mean they have to be 'cheap' to sell.

Search 'tavelo' on 小红书(redbook) and you can scroll for hours seeing all the people that buy and post pictures of their tavelo bikes if you dont believe me haha

Dont forget china has a population of 1.4+ billion. 3.5x united states. There are bound to be some people that like the paintjobs that you think are awful XD

I don't see how any of that is relevant.  To reiterate: again, no other pret a porter molds are being sold this expensive by a Chinese brand ... and the existing customers are paying much less for the Attack than the Arrow.  And it looks shite vs stuff like Seka / Bross etc.

Keep in mind that retail price in china is 11500rmb(usd1600) and 14500rmb(usd2000), not pandapodium prices

And i think a lot of these chinese brand's target market are in china, not overseas so theyre priced accordingly to the market there

But this is way more expensive than any other catalogue frame from a Chinese brand. 

I don't see how they can sell these at either the PP or domestic Chinese price.  Disregarding the frame itself, just look at the paint jobs ... they look awful for this price.

Here is a drawing of the seatpost. It really seems to be just -15mm.

Edit: But wait ... now that I see the image a second time, I wonder where the blue reference line is.

Maybe this drawing explains why this seatpost appears to have such massive setback.  Setback is measured on the horizontal of course ... if their 'engineer' went for 15mm of setback relative to a line up through the bb and seat-tube, then ... 

Gave up.  All the 24" carbon frames are super narrow tire clearance.

The Revolt fits a 2.1" rear in road 2x chainline.  There's nothing about carbon frames that precludes such setups.  Gravel bikes are just generally regressive upscaled roadbikes still rather than downscaled MTBs, hence the mostly crap geo and tire clearance.  It's mostly smaller 'boutique' brands - who typically do Ti / Steel to avoid mold costs for carbon - who do bigger clearance.

Writing's on the wall though now at least wrt tire clearance, with a lot of racers wanting to do 2.1" rear and 2.25" front.  Better geo will take longer probably.

I just finished building a Winspace SLC 2 disc, size 52.
I previously had a Ridley Xtrail carbon which I was using as a road bike. Unfortunately I had a crash with a car back in November. The car was coming in the opposite direction, turn left, cut my lane and I crashed into it at 44 km/h. "Only" the hip dislocated, 4 days in hospital and 8 weeks of crotches.

Ordered the frame end of December on sales, around USD 1000 all in. The first frame was not perfect, headset bearing seat oversized and bottom bearing undersized 
They replaced with no discussion based on my pictures and video.
Replacement frame better but not perfect either.

I mostly used the parts I recovered from the Ridley

What a BB ... wall thickness way higher in places than others, looks like they've used an electric sander with 50 grit sandpaper to 'smooth' it, and it doesn't look round even to the naked eye.

Or you could post in the 5 page thread on the first page of this sub-forum ... http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3739.0.html

Interesting ... the SRoad ones were much more durable than the ZTTO ones last time I looked, but the Goldix / ZTTO looks to have changed design since then.  I'm assuming the Riro alu ones will fall apart if you weigh more than 45kg and do over 250W out of the saddle at low cadence?