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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: MTB2223 on July 13, 2014, 09:15:31 AM
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Installing a headset on an IP-256 is simple. Although, that's what I thought.
But don't I need cups or such a thing ? I think the answer is: No.
I've got this headset from Peter (with a shim).
(http://s25.postimg.org/78gypxt8f/image.jpg)
The way to install is, is like in the way on the picture. And do I need to use carbon paste (between the bearing and the frame) ?
And do I need to use shim(s) between the bottom bearing and frame ?
(http://s25.postimg.org/lg6nel5xb/image.jpg)
Top:
(http://s25.postimg.org/d4awdc8jj/image.jpg)
Bottom:
(http://s25.postimg.org/6f4cxbn7j/image.jpg)
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You've got it spot on in the second picture. No carbon paste, grease if anything.
Thin spacer goes between the red compression wedge and the top cap, if it's needed, to stop the top cap from rubbing on the frame.
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How'd this turn out. Get it figured out?
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How'd this turn out. Get it figured out?
I'm waiting on my fork, so, couldn't do it yet.
But the way is this, whereby the shim maybe not needed.
(http://s25.postimg.org/akowu3gov/headset_installation.jpg)
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No carbon paste, grease if anything.
To be sure: grease like the grease you're using for ball bearing/BB ?
And do you use the grease between the frame and bearing ? Doesn't hurt the frame ?
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I have the Neco headset for my IP-256 and it looks exactly like the FSA headset you have.
Only the expander looks different but I got myself a different one anyway.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/NecoCapStarnut.jpg)(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/2014-07-15-12.08.55.jpg)
The problem I encounter is this:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/CarbonForkheadsetRing.jpg)
It is very tight to say the least and I will have to use a 40 mm ID pipe and a hammer to get the ring on the fork all the way.
And it will be very difficult to get it off.
And because I have two forks I should have gotten two of these rings...
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It is understood that the expander plug is for the carbon forks - a suspension fork you would be using the old starnut. It is because of the steerer tube, the expander plug supports the carbon.
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It is understood that the expander plug is for the carbon forks - a suspension fork you would be using the old starnut. It is because of the steerer tube, the expander plug supports the carbon.
From what I know, the expansion nut/expander bolt is just another option and works well with either carbon or aluminum steer tubes. Both of my bikes have the expander and it works fine to preload the headset.
Jake, yes, the crown race is installed all the way down to the bottom of the steer tube. You need a piece of PVC pipe to tap it down.
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I have the Neco headset for my IP-256 and it looks exactly like the FSA headset you have.
Only the expander looks different but I got myself a different one anyway.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/NecoCapStarnut.jpg)(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/2014-07-15-12.08.55.jpg)
The problem I encounter is this:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49827950/CarbonForkheadsetRing.jpg)
It is very tight to say the least and I will have to use a 40 mm ID pipe and a hammer to get the ring on the fork all the way.
And it will be very difficult to get it off.
And because I have two forks I should have gotten two of these rings...
How did you fix that problem? I encounter the same :)
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Need to hit that down with some PVC pipe to get it straight.
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Need to hit that down with some PVC pipe to get it straight.
I'm an impatient fellow and have no PVC-pipe of the right size at home. Any other ideas?
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I have seen people do it with a little chisel or metal punch. Just be careful you don't slip and hit your fork.
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I've tapped down the crown race with a hammer and block of wood. Didn't take much effort on my part doing it that way. The block of wood didn't leave any marks on the crown race.
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I've used the vacuum tube.
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I feel like this should be simple but I can't seem to get the play out of the headset. When I tighten everything down I get a small amount of play at the top bearing. Any idea how to get that out? Seems like no matter how much I tighten it up, it still has a little wiggle.
Figured this out as I messed around with it more. If anybody has this issue make sure you have your steerer cut about 3 mm shorter than your spacers. Apparently I didn't have a big enough gap and it wouldn't tighten down completely.
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You need some extra shims/washers between your lock ring and the top cap. I had the same issue.
Now, when you tighten up the headset, you're pressing the top cap on your frame. With the extra shims, the top cap is pressing on the lock ring and on the bearing. The top cap, which have a rubber ring beneath, should move freely. There should be little space between the frame and the top cap (with the rubber ring between).
So, find some shims, install them and try again. When you think it's okay, squeeze your front brake, lift your rear wheel a little, and move your bike, try to find the last wiggle.
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Yep, easy mistake that can be made. Cutting the steer tube length correctly along with the right spacer height is critical to getting the headst tightened down.
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My headset didn't even come with one shim. I think I got most of the wiggle out by putting a little 2 mm spacer on the top. I will try to find a few shims and see if that helps as well.
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Headsets should have at least a couple thin metal shims, some of the ones applied by XMIplay were missing the shims so you might need to find some either locally or online.
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My headset didn't even come with one shim. I think I got most of the wiggle out by putting a little 2 mm spacer on the top. I will try to find a few shims and see if that helps as well.
Not on the top, but on the lock ring.
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Since I didn't get any shims with the headset, do they need to be big enough to contact the frame or just the bearing?
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The shims are between the top headset bearing and the top cap, the shim keeps the top (dust) cap from contacting the frame and causing binding when the expander nut is tightened down.
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A picture from an earlier post in this topic.
(http://s25.postimg.org/akowu3gov/headset_installation.jpg)
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Yeah I get that, just wondering if you knew what the size of the shim was since I don't have one to match it against.
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I used two 0,25 mm shims
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I used two 0,25 mm shims
Thanks