Ah that's good to know. If grommets don't sit, might just leave it as is like you did. Very bad placement for internal routing holes from front triangle to rear triangle.

I think I'll try what Tijoe recommended see if possible to remove bottom bolts from rear triangle and unhinge it from there and hopefully have more room to work with routing cables.

Thanks for your reply and suggestions.

Crankydad

I was able to remove the rear triangle lower hinge bolt to front lower front triangle! It took a 6mm hex wrench on one side, and also a 5mm hex wrench (ball end of 5mm hex wrench) for the other side to hold one screw steady while turning the 6mm hex wrench to unfasten it. Photo of success below! Thank you Tijoe and FullCarbon for help.



-Crankydad

I removed the bottom bolt assembly holding the the lower rear triangle to the back of the frame.  It was the only way I could figure out how to run housing through  the triangle, grommets and bottom bracket area.

Oo I will try that! Thank you. Will try that today. Thank for your response and helping me out. I really appreciate it.

Crankydad

In general, the seat post insertions is no problem for this frame. On my large frame, I can fully insert my 180mm OneUp V2 dropper, almost 27cm of insertion.

Regarding the overfork/underforking questions, the reach would be quite different. The FM1002 has much more reach than the FM1001. Underforking the FM1002 would increase the reach even more. Over forking the FM1001 would decrease the reach even more. I would guess 5-9mm difference each way, plus the 7mm built in difference so the two builds would have a 17-25mm in total reach difference.


Personally, I would recommend overforking for both bikes! My 170mm Lyrik puts me at 64 degrees with the head angle and make my large frame feel more medium. I think the FM1002 is the best, just don't count on the paint being perfect if you go with Carbonda!

I just recently completed the purchase for an FM1002 frame! I look forward to sharing more about the build, and how everything works out!

Thank you everyone for sharing feedback.

Crankydad

I would recommend the 1002. It's almost exactly a year since we built a 1002 with a 170mm Fox 36 for my son. He has been absolutely hammering it and no problems at all with the frame. He rides everything from big day rides to Whistler park on it. I've ridden it a couple of times just to get a feel for it and really like it.

I would recommend having a careful think about size through. I am 178cm and would be right on the line between medium and large. Personally I'd be tempted to go medium because I think the reach on some bikes is now too long, but it really just depends on what you prefer.

See if you can negotiate a discount. When I looked at Carbonda recently for another build they were a little more expensive than some other options.

Thank you Boybiskit! I really appreciate you sharing your experience. Good to know even on big park days like Whistler it can handle it. Will look into sizing again.

Crankydad

Update as of June 26th 2023:

I've had approximate 48 rides and 500 miles on the ICAN P1 2021 bike so far. Bike has held up pretty well. I've finally have taken it to the bike park here in Southern CA earlier this month! My bike setup is 135mm rear shock travel and 150mm fork travel. It was a good time at the bike park! The flowy trails, the medium berms, the ladder bridges, the jumps, it felt like I was at the Disneyland of Mountain Biking! I definitely want to try and get back up there again. The green and blue trails were fun because the trails would wind around, and there are some techy ladder bridges. The black diamond advanced trails has some medium sized jumps that the bike handled just OK. I felt like I was almost bottoming out in my suspension and the landing felt a slight harsh. On double black expert trails with large jumps (which I did not fully clear, I'm still progressing on jumps. I didn't go as fast as I would want since still I'm still fearful and learning. I would ride up at a moderate speed and jump and either land onto the side of the trail, or would land in the middle of the table top before the sloped landing area). The landing felt real harsh, and in my opinion, I definitely needed more travel than my 135mm rear shock and 150mm fork. I demoed an Intense Tracer 29 (which had 160mm rear travel and 170mm fork travel), it felt so much more plush on the landing and I felt 10x more confident riding the jumps and the features.

Further, a minor item I had with the bike is the rear thru axle. I take out the thru axle every time I clean the bike, or want to service the bike, it's maybe 1-2x/month. One item that came up is that the top head of the thru axle which takes I believe a 8mm hex wrench has started to strip. I ended up stripping it so badly that the thru axle wouldn't turn anymore so I reached out to ICAN and they actually sent me a new thru axle. Which was great! Took about 1-2 weeks to receive it. But I was happy they did that, and luckily it was still under the 2 year warranty.

Moreover, regarding a minor rear thru axle item on the bike I've had trouble with. When I push the rear through axle through the frame, into the hub of the wheel, and then try to fasten into the thread on opposite side of the frame, sometimes the thru axle wouldn't catch on the thread. The thru axle would keep turning, but wouldn't fasten into the frame. It would work sometimes, and sometimes it would not. Eventually it stopped fastening all together. So I removed the derailleur hangar, and wanted to replace the derailleur hangar that ICAN provided with the bike during purchase. I tested the thru axle outside of the bike with that derailleur hangar, and it fastened perfectly.

Now, when I tried removing the flathead derailleur hangar fasteners (there's 2 fasteners needed to mount derailleur hangar to inside of the frame), I remembered I overtightened one of those small fasteners previously from a different time I removed the rear wheel. When I tried unfastening that overtightened screw, it wouldn't turn and I ended up stripping that tiny derailleur hangar screw. I've had trouble the last 3 weeks trying to remove it. I've tried 3 different methods with trying to remove the screw. #1) Using a stripped screw extractor, putting glue onto head of screw first and then hammering the extractor to the head of screw, and then using the drill bit extractor to unfasten. that did not work.

#2) I tried using the stripped screw extractor on the other side of the screw trying to unfasten at the bottom of the screw compared to the top since the bottom of screw is exposed on the outside of the frame. That didn't work. The screw is just too small.

#3) I tried using a wrench/pliers to untighten the nut of that tiny derailleur hanger screw, and that did not work.

It's been frustrating. To this day, the stripped screw is still in the frame.

What I'm about to say right now may not make sense, but I was actually able to remove the derailleur hangar, the nut of that stripped screw, what it does is actually pinch the derailleur hangar into the frame. The other flathead derailleur hangar fastener is the one that actually fastens into the derailleur hangar itself. That screw is fine, and I'm able to remove that one.

So I was able to put new derailleur hangar on the bike, I slid the derailleur hangar into the small space where that stripped screw and nut pinch it, I had to use plastic mallet to force it a little into that small space where it gets pinched, and then was able to fasten the other fastener of the derailleur hangar into the frame and into the derailleur hangar itself.

Further, I'm now still able to ride the bike.

That's all for now.

Thanks!

Crankydad

How is the P9 bike so far? Still riding it?

I have the Ican P1, and am considering purchasing the P9 frame.

Just wondering what your thoughts on P9 are so far

-Crankydad

I've done about 35 rides on it with about 375 miles for about 1 year

I've enjoyed it very much so far! Previous to this bike, I rode a 29'er hardtail. The biggest difference I notice when riding over rough trails (chattery trail conditions) is that on hardtail it feels so uncomfortable and chattery, compared to riding this P1 full suspension bike that immediately disappears! So awesome, it's like I don't want to go back to riding hardtail anymore. Also, another difference I notice compared to riding 29'er hardtail, and riding this bike because it's 27.5'', I feel less fearful of descending technical terrain because I just feel more planted to the ground because of smaller wheel size and lower bottom bracket height. I have much more confidence, and don't have the fear of going over the bars as much

Ride quality has been excellent. The type of features I ride include climbing over some roots about 1ft or less in height, descending small to medium rock terrain, small drops 2ft or less, ramp/rock drops (about 3ft-4ft drops), small to medium sized jumps. I have not taken it to the bike park but been wanting to take it there as I've never been! I've just been able to do so much more riding this trail bike and love trying out new features I wouldn't have otherwise.

Durability has been impressive. Nothing to note here. I'd like to try it out at the bike park, and can report back when I'm able to get out there

Hope this helps!

-Crankydad