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Re: L-TWOO RX 2x12 road groupset The primary issue is that the ergonomics are still pretty substandard - looking at the experience of people on YouTube you can't reach the thumb shifter from the drops (and compared to a Campag lever it's much further forward). I would wait until the new stuff rolls out and see if they bring it down for 12/11 speed mechanical as they look have copied the Campag Potenza/Centaur droopy thumb lever which is much better positioned than the current version.
July 20, 2022, 04:16:49 PM 		1
Re: Groupset News There's a new version of the SRX Pro rear derailleur in the works with improvements to the chain retention:

https://youtube.com/shorts/RsCjf7nYvsM?feature=share
September 02, 2022, 03:40:47 PM 		4
Re: Groupset News There's a bunch of news hiding in what looks like plain sight in Ltwoo's updated catalogue:

http://www.ltwoo.com/en/col.jsp?id=175

On the MTB side, there's a new 'T' series of shifters/derailleurs with clutch rear derailleurs. These are across the range, going from 8-13 speed. There's also the semi-electronic shifters as has already been shown.





For gravel, there's the new shifter shape available in 1x12, with brake calipers (as has been leaked previously). There's also a new rear derailleur with a clutch that comes over from the MTB line, but has been redesigned to take a barrel adjuster which is across the range from 9-12 speed. All other components remain the same.



On the road, the new shifters are available in a 2x12 version, with aluminium or carbon blades.



No separate brake caliper listed so I assume it's the same as the gravel one. No other new road components, and the new lever shape is only seen on the 2x12 hydraulic content, everything else remains the same.
October 05, 2022, 05:04:59 AM 		6
Re: LTWOO RX hydro sets
Quote from: elmtree on December 28, 2022, 04:09:20 PM
His review video feels kinda silly though because his main complaint was the free stroke was wrong and then it turns out he never set it up. Glad it was addressed, but I feel like the complaining about it should have just been cut. Glad we're getting some info though!

Still relevant in the sense of the lack of manufacturer instructions / support though. Even the brake bleed instructions video makes absolutely no mention of the free stroke adjustment:



Will be interesting to see how early reviewers go with the stiff paddles + return of the right lever and whether these things have been fixed.
December 28, 2022, 05:02:53 PM 		3
Re: Groupset News In fairness to L-TWOO, they also released the hydraulic groupset at their R9, 11 speed level which looks basically identical (it definitely seems to include the new front derailleur with tension adjuster looking at box photos). The only downside is that it's only slightly cheaper than the 12 speed version.
January 09, 2023, 06:01:09 PM 		1
Re: Groupset News
Quote from: StiffWeenies on March 18, 2023, 04:34:59 AM
Think of them like a startup company. They're rushing to be first so they can corner a portion of the market that is too small to be shared with Sensah and Wheel Top. The latter has been taking their sweet time but it's not like their MTB offering was flawless either. This aggressive approach leads to a vicious cycle where YouTubers and influencers who are also fighting to be the first for views end up buying those heavily marked up sketchy listings of first batch units that inevitably happen to be the most defective (e.g. Trace Velo).

Yes, the influencers now appear to be more like beta testers. Difficult for them too because it's hard to get excited about half-baked products - the excitement tends to be more in the possibilities with refinement than in the products available now. The RX groupset was a good example of this - seems like there's potential following refinement, but there's no way I'd buy them as is right now.

For electronic, big steps in reliability would have to be made before I could consider it. Given the lack of availability of spares locally, I have no desire to be stuck waiting 3-4 weeks for a part to ship if something goes wrong. With mechanical it's a much less risky proposition given it can be swapped with Shimano.

Also haven't heard any talk yet about the software, which is a little concerning.
March 18, 2023, 05:49:18 PM 		2
Re: Groupset News Production version of the Sensah levers at Shanghai bike show
April 27, 2023, 03:01:45 PM 		7
Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
Quote from: patliean1 on June 05, 2023, 01:41:04 PM
Groupsets and wheels are the two things you really should not skimp on. Basically any moving or electronic components.

Framesets, handlebars/stem, saddles, and any other static parts can be had for cheap without really posing any risks to safety or reliability.

For me, it's the lack of availability to me that proposes the biggest risk.

If a Shimano/SRAM/Campagnolo component on my bicycle fails, I can generally get a replacement same or next day, and in any event, it's unlikely to take longer than a week. For LTwoo/Sensah mechanical parts, the fact that they can be swapped out for SRAM/Shimano equivalents where required makes it a less scary proposition - a rear derailleur failure just means replacing it with a part from another brand.

With LTwoo electronic it's a very different story though - a failure is going to leave you waiting weeks for a replacement from China with no local alternative.
June 06, 2023, 07:19:32 PM 		3
Re: Groupset News Trace Velo's first impressions of Sensah hydraulic are very good:

https://youtube.com/shorts/g7pjQhc-iRI?feature=share
July 26, 2023, 04:16:12 AM 		1
Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets That price point means things start to get more interesting - particularly when you consider that you could probably get cranks / cassette / chain / rotors for around $200 extra. I look forward to seeing some people get them in person.
August 06, 2023, 06:55:08 AM 		2