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Re: Recommendations for cockpit parts +1 on og-evkin: very happy with the HB-002. I’ve used it for a year now without issues.
Also really like my kalloy uno 7 stem (bought more recently for my gravel bike). Super light, great finish and looks very nice IMO.

Oh, I forgot to add I’d also recommend RXL SL: I have two carbon seat posts from them, a fork and a saddle. So far so good (over the past year).
November 03, 2020, 01:56:54 PM 		1
Re: Carbonda Cfr 1056 The way I approached this is to look for similar geos here: https://geometrygeeks.bike/compare/canyon-endurace-cf-sl-disc-8-0-2020-m,carbonda-cfr-1056-2020-m,giant-defy-advanced-pro-2-2020-m,specialized-roubaix-pro-2020-54,merida-scultura-endurance-5000-2021-51/ (This is for medium, but it's just to look for comparables. Also, you can actually search by numbers for a small fee.)

Then I went to the websites of those manufacturers and entered my measurements to get a recommendation (My size would be an S for my 172cm height / 80cm inseam). If you'd like to get more visual about it, you can import those numbers (manually) into bikegeocalc.com
November 06, 2020, 02:01:13 AM 		1
Re: Budget (Aluminium) Wheelset? Fwiw, I have a similar goal for my road bike build for next year. Being lazy, I attached a screenshot from my spreadsheet (prices are mostly from bike24 with 7.7% Swiss VAT). Apparently ZTTO has some new road specific hubs coming with the old DT ratchet mechanism. (There’s another thread somewhere. ZTTO R2 54t)
December 19, 2020, 12:38:38 PM 		1
Re: ZTTO BB92 BB86 threaded bottom brackets. Yep, just decided to do that as well! ;D Haven’t made up my mind if I’m going to tolerate the imperfection ::) on my midlife crisis bike / 40th bday gift to self (my yoeleo r11 is being painted, should ship out before the lunar new year!)
January 30, 2021, 08:29:58 AM 		1
Re: Difference in quality between ~600$ and ~1200$ frames?
Quote from: svanimpe on March 13, 2021, 02:31:08 PM
In the case of Yoeleo for example, they don't actually make any frames (see https://www.miraclecycling.com/ for example).
Interesting! I ordered an R11 from Yoeleo, aka -- apparently! -- the Miracle CR015...

How did you figure this out? Before ordering (on Dec 22 -- still waiting...), I did a lot of googling and geometry comparisons to find out who they are reselling for, but failed. I'm very curious how much cheaper it would be to buy direct from Miracle (I paid USD $1056, incl. handlebar, thru axles etc and shipping)

To stay on topic, my reason for buying from a brand is that they have more skin in the game than some anonymous reseller. Even if the same factory produces the frames, their quality will vary and some extra inspection before painting & shipping can save an expensive roundtrip back to china. Or maybe not...
March 14, 2021, 03:11:36 AM 		1
Re: Difference in quality between ~600$ and ~1200$ frames? Agreed, it's a tax I've chosen to pay. I'd say it's more about convenience than anguish, but hey ;)

I think I paid an additional 100 USD compared to e.g. Carbonda's CFR-1056 + integrated handlebar: someone said they paid 800 USD for the frame, painted & shipped. Add 150 USD for integrated handlebar (e.g. og-evkin on aliexpress) = 950 USD.

I'm ok with the extra cost, if only they'd ship the damn thing already  :'( (Or at least give me a straight answer on what's going on -- they said it was being painted a week before the CNY break).
March 15, 2021, 05:21:04 AM 		1
Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame
Quote from: carbonazza on March 15, 2021, 08:46:02 AM
One day I will paint my frame :)
Highly recommend spray.bike. Had some great results with it, very easy to use.
March 15, 2021, 08:57:41 AM 		1
Re: Difference in quality between ~600$ and ~1200$ frames? Based on my experience so far, I would buy from them again.  I guess a lot of these resellers depend on the same factories and I’m sure those are all slammed right now, so I’m not surprised or upset about delays. Looking at other experience reports around here, the only vendor where you can track your order through the various production phases  is light bicycle.

My sales rep’s replies have been prompt and clear. They weren’t always able to answer my technical questions, though (e.g. the flat mount bolt length for the rear brake). I’m a bit worried about getting the right torque spec for the various bolts where it matters, to be honest. I haven’t asked yet.
March 15, 2021, 01:16:54 PM 		1
Re: building wheel with straight pull hub: d411/412 spoke hole offset? The build went well! Only 0.5g over my target weight  8)  (see attached pic -- no rim tape/valves yet)

I would say the straightpull hubs were easier to build with than a regular hub, but it took me a while to figure out the key spokes visually. After that, pretty smooth!

            spoke calculation
         		            left
         		            right
         		            pillar 1423 psr aero
         		            354 g
         
            SPOKES front
         		            295.64 mm
         		            294.95 mm
         
         corrected for nipple, rounded up to even
         		            296 mm
         		            294 mm
         
            CN brass nipple
         		            12 mm
         		            12 mm
         		            25 g
         
            SPOKES rear
         		            297.06 mm
         		            294.36 mm
         
            corrected for nipple
         		            296 mm
         		            294 mm
         
            CN brass nipple
         		            12 mm
         		            12 mm
         		            25 g
         
            hub specs
         
            front
         		            D411SB
         
            flange diameter
         		            34
         		            34
         
            F.T.F / flange to flange
         		            63.6
         
            OFFSET
         		            3.2
         
            flange to center
         		            35
         		            28.6
         
            crosses
         		            2
         		            2
         
            spoke hole offset
         		            0.5
         		            0.5
         
            rear
         		            D412SB
         
            flange diameter
         		            34
         		            47
         
            F.T.F / flange to flange
         		            68
         
            OFFSET
         		            6.3
         
            flange to center
         		            40.3
         		            27.7
         
            crosses
         		            2
         		            2
         		            http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3163.0.html
         
            spoke hole offset
         		            1.25
         		            1.25
         
            rim specs
         
            Type
         		            Hookless
         
            ERD
         		            594mm
         
            Spoke Holes
         		            24H
         
            Outer Width
         		            28mm
         
            Inner width
         		            22.7mm
         
            Depth
         		            22mm
         
            Nipple Position
         		               External Nipples
         
            Weave
         		            UD
         
            Finish
         		            Matte
         
            Weight
         		            299±15g/pc
         		               actual rims within spec (298g, 297g)
         
            Max Weight Limit
         		            90kg
         
            Max Spoke Tension
         		            180KGf
         
            Max Tyre Pressure
         		            55psi
         


            price (incl shipping)
         
            CHF491.25
         		            1,377 g
         
            HUB REAR
         		            D412SB
         		            QR, shimano
         		            CHF90.00
         		            243 g
         		               https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32759849226.html
         
            HUB FRONT
         		            D411SB
         		            97 g
         
            RIM rear
         		            24
         		            CHF303.00
         		            298 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826616369.html
         		            https://www.wtb.com/pages/tire-rim-fit-chart
         
            RIM front
         		            24
         		            297 g
         
            spokes
         		               pillar 1423 psr aero
         		            48.00
         		            25* 294mm, 25* 296mm; 14mm CN brass nipples (black)
         		            CHF30.00
         		            354 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32914510465.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.44a25a4fK9sJ1U
         
            nipples
         		            brass
         		            incl
         		            50 g
         
            valves
         		            have some
         		            18 g
         
            rim tape
         		            23mm
         		            CHF7.00
         		            20 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000793547334.html
         
            rotors
         		            velosa
         		            sram centerline-ish
         		            160mm
         		            CHF11.00
         		            240 g
         		            https://aliexpress.com/item/32833376738.html
         
            tax & customs
         		            CHF50.25
         
April 15, 2021, 05:43:49 AM 		2
Yoeleo R11 - di2 "budget" build Finally! After about 6 months of planning and waiting, today I finally got to take my R11 for a short spin. Feels great! Still waiting for a di2 cable, a grommet for the RD cable exit, and some flatmount bolts before I can tape the handlebars and go on a longer ride. In the meantime, here's my full build spec. (Most of these parts were ordered in Dec 2020.)

I really wanted to try Di2 (a 900 CHF upgrade over plain 105 in my case), but I set a goal of minimizing the budget, so it's mostly 105 spec otherwise. Notably, cranks were unavailable, so I decided to try the CVR Hardrock ones. One worry is that the ZTTO thread together BB is 94mm wide from bearing seal to bearing seal (a Shimano BB86 BB is 92mm, and a BSA68 one is 90mm). This means there's about 5mm of the crank's spline interface that's not mated to the spindle, because the latter is too short. The bolts on the NDS crank do tighten onto the spindle, so I'm hoping it's ok.

The other gotcha was that the 2021 frame does not have a mounting hole for the Di2 RS910 junction in the downtube, unlike the 2020 one shown in the photos. I had to improvise a bit with my cable lengths, and ended up wedging my WU111 (BT junction) in the handlebars...  ::)  Otherwise, I'm happy with Yoeleo: it took exactly 3 months from my order on Dec 23 to shipment on Mar 23, and another 2 weeks to Switzerland using EMS Express. (I paid with Transferwise, btw -- the wire transfer took only a day to arrive.)

Uncut, the seatpost is 390mm, which means the BB center to saddle rail ranges from 655mm - 790mm (minimum insertion: 100mm, max insertion into frame: 235mm, which is 255mm above center of BB). My saddle height is about 700mm and my saddle has a stack height of 50mm, so I ended up shortening the seatpost to 350mm to avoid bottoming out.

The first section details everything that came in the box with the frame.

Ready to ride, the bike weighs 8.4kg and the total cost (including all taxes, shipping etc) was a bit under 3300 CHF.

Happy to answer questions! I'll definitely follow up once I get some more serious kms on the bike -- super excited!

CHASSIS & COCKPIT (YOELEO)(2180g, 975 CHF incl shipping & tax)Weight (g)
frame54cm, candy red; weight incl grommets & FD hanger900https://www.yoeleobike.com/products/carbon-disc-brake-road-bike-frame-r11
forkincluding thru bolt nut362
handlebar400/100382
thru axles120.5mm M12*P1.5 L10 / 166L*M12(P1.5)-16L84.5
rear dropout + RD hanger(came with an extra)17
headset67
expander59
spacers86
computer mount
seatpost139.4
seatpost head hw(for both 7x7 and 7x9 saddles)66
seatpost wedge17
seatpost gasket
CHASSIS (MISC)(ca. 290g, 100 CHF)
headset micro-spacers1.5mm (Micro-Spacer for Integrated Headsets)https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001175466366.html
handlebar tapeLizard Skins DSP V2 3.2mm83
saddle149https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32944721682.html
bottle cages252https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888832950.html
bottle cage boltsM5x15https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000599017123.html
foam lining rear brake hosecapgo ol noise protection3
DRIVETRAIN & BRAKING(1372g, 1240 CHF)
briftersST-R785520
calipersBR-R7070front (incl flatmount 140/160 adapter)125
BR-R7070rear107
brake padsL02A34
hose connecting bolt for calipersY8JA980104https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32719097563.html
hoseSM-BH9055
olive + insertsSM-BH904
brake caliper bolts rearY8N20801033mm for 20mm chainstay12
brake caliper bolts frontincl with brakes7
front derailleurFD-R8050129
rear derailleurRD-R8050-GS250
Di2 junction boxes + BT/antEW-RS9107
SM-JC414
EW-WU1113
Di2 battery + charger + cableBT-DN11054
SM-BCR2,Y-7FJ000200
Di2 cablesEW-JC13012
EW-SD501000, 750, 650, 350, 500 mm28
Di2 Wire Holders7
Di2 RD cable hole grommetSM-GM02oval 7x8mm
Di2 Seatpost Battery MountDIY using foam & tape10
CRANK & PEDALS(1367g, 186 CHF)
bottom bracketZTTO BB86-2497https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33021799492.html
crankszrace hardrock170mm, 50-34722https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000006338700.html
chainkmc x11el118 links, shortened to 109237.01
pedalsPD-R550311
WHEELS(3167g, 645 CHF)
wheelsetDT Swiss ER 1600 SPLINE DB 2320-6221686https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/dt-swiss-er-1600-spline-db-23mm-wheelset-662528
tubeless valvesdeemount40mm, alloy, black9https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32989510427.html
tiresgp5000 tl32mm (max: 32mm) -- WAM: 30mm (at 4 bar)761
cassetteSunRace CSRX111-32314.5
rotorsSM-RT800140mm back113
rotorsSM-RT800160mm front132
sealant + air :-)151
May 09, 2021, 02:45:06 PM 		6