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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 25, 2014, 09:17:50 AM »
Nothing exciting, but a few more parts arrived:

Race Face crank boots - 15g.  A must for carbon cracks in my opinion.

Shimano 180mm IceTech Rotor w/ Hardware - 147g (137g Rotor, 15g Hardware)


ESI Chunky 32mm Grips (Silicone Foam) - 63g

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 25, 2014, 09:10:11 AM »
Here are a couple of sound tests.  These probably are not the best due to the whole camera phone thing as well as this being an empty wheel (tires tend to muffler the sound or at least change it).  The black hub is slightly quieter than the red hubs for no apparent reason.

Novatec D772SB Hub Demonstration - Red:


Novatec D772SB Hub Demonstration - Black:

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 24, 2014, 11:11:44 AM »
Sure thing, guys.  I can probably make a video tonight for you.  I need to go for a training ride first.  8)

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 24, 2014, 12:24:22 AM »
With the wheels came some spare drop outs and chain suck protectors:



Weights:

Protector - 7g


Drop out 1 - 21g


Drop out 2 - 30g

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29er / Re: 256 build by Jake
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:35:37 PM »
How is this build going?

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29er / Re: Carbonal Orion build thread. Aiming for 8.5kg (18.75lbs)
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:22:57 PM »
Looks great!  What are your impressions of the bike so far?

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:21:39 PM »
Forks showed up.

I opted for black, but the white looks really sharp in person.  I'm regretting black now...

SIDs:

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:19:50 PM »
Those are really good weights for such wide rimmed wheels. What are your initial impressions of the Novatech hubs so far? I'm currently trying to decide whether to go with the Novatech or some Bike Hub Store hubs.

Initial impression is good.  Except I wanted white hubs instead of black.  But they were not offered.  The rear cassette feels a bit tight/sticky, but it spins very smoothly.  I really can't say for sure until I start riding on them if they are quality or not.


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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 23, 2014, 02:19:18 AM »
Well after what seemed like the longest day ever at work, I was able to get home and see what Peter had sent me.  Wheels!

As with everything we've ordered, there were 3 sets of nearly identically built wheels.  The only difference was hub/nipple color.  We have two sets in red and a single set in black.

All sets are built as follows:

N-SS IP-HR930C Wheelset
  • IP-HR930C - Carbon, hookless rim
  • Novatec D771SB Front Hub
  • Novatec D772SB Rear Hub
  • Sapim Delta spokes
  • Sapim SILS nipples

This is the profile of this rim:


The weight listed on iPlay's website is perhaps a bit optimistic at 1525g.  The three sets I have in my hands averaged exactly 700g (front) and 890g (rear).  The range on the three front wheels was 3 grams.  The range on the rear wheels was 10 grams.  Not bad at all.

So why such a W I D E wheel for an ultra-light XC machine?  Well, a variety of reasons.  Traditional XC rims have an inner width of 19-23mm.  These rims are 26mm,  In the past two years, the industry has been moving towards wider rims across the board, from DH to XC.  And a lot of this has to do with the advent of tubeless tires.  A wider rim has several advantages:
  • Allows sidewalls of tire to stay more "vertical", offering more support while cornering, even at lower pressures.  As the two beads more further apart, the tire is more supported in the rim rather than pivoting on the rim when the beads are close.
  • Allows a smaller width tire to perform as a wider tire.  This allows the use of a smaller tire casing for weight savings which can easily offset the small increase in rim width.  For example, a 2.2" tire might act as a 2.35" equivalent.
  • Increase wheel stiffness.
  • Large reduction in "burbing" of the tubeless tire on the rim at lower pressures.
  • Increase traction and comfort from reduced pressure needed.

Or at least this is the theory.  I will see how this plays out in practice.  Perhaps it is all marketing, but it does make good sense on paper, so I suspect there is some truth to it.  The above reasons aside, I am looking forward to the reduction in rotational weight over my previous wheelset (~2100-2200g!) and a huge increase in robustness and stiffness over my previous alloy wheels.  Opting for a more traditional width rim would have yielded a decrease in weight (marginal), but I suspect the benefits of the increased width will offset the ~100g total per wheelset penalty.

We also decided to try hookless rims on this build as well.  Many of the industry players have started to convert to hookless on carbon.  Again, there must be a good reason?  Well there is.  Hookless beads allow for an easier/cheaper to manufacture rim.  The rim edge also gets more continuous carbon fibers so it is stronger against impacts than the older hook design.

One last note before the pictures. These wheels were packaged with the utmost care.  They were carefully wrapped with protective caps to prevent the axles from damaging rims/spokes on neighbor wheels.  The cardboard boxes they were shipped in has custom inserts to hold the wheels in place and fixed relative to one another.  My kudos to iPlay.

Rear:


Front:


Front weight:


Rear weight:


The UD matte finish has some neat patterns in the right lighting.  Subtle but neat.




Outer width (you can see the hookless profile here):


Inner width:


Rear hub in red:


Front hub in black:



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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 04:19:29 PM »
Ha! Yeah, that would be one hell of a Fat bike.

That's actually a center lock OZ rim from an F1 car.  Actually, maybe not F1, more like junior F1.  I found it on Craigslist and was going to make a coffee table out of it some day.

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 11:33:07 AM »
:o  It's Christmas! And I'm the jealous younger brother, lol. Exciting to have all of that affordable chiner goodness arrive, I bet.

Awesome thread, doing three builds at once. Will def be following along.

If you're in Arizona, you're welcome to come over and play with my new toys.


Yep.. Very difficult to take good shots of the UD Matte finish. I tried all different kinds of lighting.. My pics still sucked.

Very in-depth update.. Thanks.

And no offense, but all of a sudden I don't feel bad for you at all for coming so close to winning the rim giveaway   :P  ;D

Yeah, Patrick C will put those rims to good use.  I probably wouldn't even have time to research what the heck to build them up with if I had won them.




Also, my wife sent me this picture today:


This should be the wheel sets and spare drop outs.  This is going to be a long day at work!

On a side note, these two packages left China early last week.  FAST.

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:45:31 AM »
And here is a couple of teasers of the other, non-iplay components arriving...

X01 Groupset x 3!



Want to see a picture of my big, girthy, crank...  ?




































Not bad, huh?   :P

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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:40:32 AM »
Here are some more pictures of the first frame:











UD Matte in a camera flash:


For whatever reason, the finish looks very blotchy and uneven when the camera flash goes off.  But the frame is, in actuality, very smooth and even to the touch.  In normal lighting it looks very subdued.















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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:32:07 AM »
A note about the two different water bottle cage styles we ordered, the IP-BC5 and IP-BC6.  I installed the two IP-BC6 cages I bought on my road bike for a century ride this past weekend.  Everything bolted up fine and the bottles fit perfectly in the cages.  They are snug, but not difficult to get the bottles in or out of.  HOWEVER, when I pick up my road bike and bounce it, the bottles, when full, seem relatively "loose".  I couldn't get one to fall out of the cage, but I could see it perhaps occurring on a rugged downhill section on the mountain bike.  Longer bottles seem "top heavy" in the IP-BC6 due to the lack of restraint near the middle/neck of the bottle.

I repeated the test with the IP-BC5 cages my buddy chose and the bottles were MUCH tighter.  Additionally, I like that this cage has a bit of a lead-in the seems to guide the bottle in with less looking at the cage (IE riding off-road).  I think the IP-BC5 is better suited for rough riding than the IP-BC6. But this is speculation as I've taken neither on the trail yet to know definitively.  I can say that the IP-BC6 is lighter by ~5g (nothing, really) and they held up fantastically on my century ride.  They will stay on my road bike.  I've already talked to Peter, and four more IP-BC5 cages are on their way!

I should note that the cages are around half the weight of my trusty aluminum cages I've been using for years on the road bike.  Not a huge amount of weight, but impressive none-the-less.

Here is a closer crop of the two styles.  IP-BC5 on the bottom and IP-BC6 on the top.


Trusty aluminum holders:



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29er / Re: IP-256SL Build: Three times the fun.
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:13:46 AM »
I've been delinquent in updating this thread.  Parts have started to arrive from iplay and elsewhere.  We have received one frame IP-256 frame, and many of the smaller carbon parts like bars and posts.  The wheels were shipped last week and should arrive late this week or early next.  The two frames getting paint will ship this week. 

Here are some pictures:

The contents of the first iplay shipment:


A shot of the various cockpit parts:



Weights:

IP-256SL Frame (19", BB30, No axle, but w/ dropouts) - 1070g:


IP-ST1 Stem - 143g:


"FSA" Headset - 117g


Rear Thru-axle - 74g:


Front Thru-axle - 83g:


IP-BC6 Gottle Cage - 22g:


IP-BC5 Gottle Cage - 27g:


IP-SP7 Seat Post - 180g:


IP-B04 Straight Handlebar - 130g:


IPlay Seatpost Collar - 19g:



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