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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: ponderosa on December 20, 2014, 11:32:55 PM
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Having lurked quite a bit on this super helpful site, I pulled the trigger on IP036 from XMIPlay 2 months ago. I'll be posting pictures as soon as this thing gets here. ALL the parts are in EXCEPT the frame. I'm getting a little worried because I'm seeing hardtails (IP 256) that are arriving in 21 days. Its now been 63 day since I ordered! ??? Has anyone else had an IP 036 take this long?
Parts highlights
XMIPlay wheels are here, very nice 35mm hookless 3K matte
XT almost everything
1x10 setup
KS LEV dropper
RockShox Revelation RCT3 Fork, 29", 120mm, Solo Air, ML 15, MoCo DNA 3- Pos, Crown Adj, Tapered, 51mm Off-Set, Dif Black
Cane Creek Double Barrel InLine Rear Shock, 165x38mm (6.5 x 1.5")
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Sorry to hear the frame is taking longer than expected to arrive. Mine took a while as well, around 6 weeks. I also had a custom paint job done though as well.
Don't worry, Iplay is a good vendor, Peter will get you the frame as soon as he can.
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Thanks CD, I guess thats another reason I got concerned.. I always got responses from him so fast, but I havn't been able to get contact from him in over a month..
I think this bike is set up like a lot of the ones I see here, people trying to get 90% of the way towards a top of the line bike, but at 50-60% of the cost of a XX1 or XTR bike. It seems that shaving the last few grams is what nukes the budget. Also a goal on this one is to have a fairly light bike but also rugged, thus 35mm wheels (probably overkill) and revelation fork. I'm really excited about not truing wheels!
CD's bike and this one below were inspiration. Everything is 3K Matt finish, easy to match for a bike being pieced together, and possibly doesn't scream "hey, I'm an expensive bike" to any thieves. Anyone got any 'Huffy' or 'Murray' stickers? Otherwise, I really like the idea of flaunting some red chinese dragon's or something: (http://el34world.com/Misc/bike/images/005.jpg)
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Please don't worry, Peter told me last week his wife is pregnant and he need to take care of his wife and that takes time and got higher priority. Please understand that. But you can also contact Jason or Bert if you can't wait. They're also available on skype.
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Yep, that picture of an IP-036 is similar to the others that helped me decide to build mine. I mean, an ALL Carbon FS 29er (including carbon wheels) with XT/XTR and/or XX1 components costs upwards of $10k from any of the big name brands. My build was under $4k and I got everything I wanted down to dual lockout on the suspension and Geax Suguaro tubeless tires (tires best suited to the terrain I ride). So I think you really can't go wrong.
One nice thing about going 1x is not having a front derailleur means one less thing to correctly spec out, install, and adjust.
Glad to see others are seeing the different Chiner builds and how that gives them courage to do a custom build themselves.
Congrats Ponderosa, look forward to seeing pictures of your build when it's done.
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"upwards of $10k from any of the big name brands. My build was under $4k an" I stand corrected. I had a few hookups on parts, so I'm somewhere between $3200 to $3500 and feel I'll have a bike that rides 95% as good as any big name 8 to 10K$ bike. Add to that that I got to spec/design the bike, its an all out win. I'm sure some big name bike companies are taking notice. I did feel bad not getting this at a local shop where the guys have been flat out awesome, I'll find other ways to support them. In the end, I need the best bike I can put together for the money and this was it by a long shot.
CD, thanks for putting the tips together for building the bikes, it'll come in real handy when building this up.
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I did get contact with Peter, we're working on seeing if/when I can still get the bike i ordered back in October.
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Just a public service announcement.. In talking to Peter the last couple days, he let me know that they are able to send out UD carbon frames (which is what most of their frames are done in) much faster than 3K carbon frames (which I ordered). I stuck with 3K and Peter is committed to getting the frame shipped by Jan. 15th will be a few days shy of 3 months after payment. I'm frustrated by the delay, but Peter has been fairly responsive.
So if you need the bike within a month or two, go UD.
I stuck with 3K because my wheels/handle bar were done in 3K. My vanity/OCD, whatever you want to call it, has secured me some bonus lessons in patience!
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I did 3k gloss on my 057, I lucked out Peter had one available, so I sent a deposit until I had money to cover the rest of my order. I ended up getting it within a month of initial discussion/deposit.
But, I would have waited longer because the 3k is the only way to go in my mind.
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My IP-057 is UD gloss and while nice, I prefer the 3k gloss weave that I have on my IP-036. It just looks more finished. Now if I were going to paint the entire frame anyway, go UD since you won't see the finish layer of carbon anyway.
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"Please don't worry, Peter told me last week his wife is pregnant and he need to take care of his wife and that takes time and got higher priority. Please understand that. But you can also contact Jason or Bert if you can't wait. They're also available on skype. "
Oh, just saw this post from above.. Definitely going to extend some grace for that, just had my third in Oct. Congrats Peter!
He let confirmed a couple days ago on skype, its going to ship by Jan 15!
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Congrats Ponderosa on the new baby and on your new frame to be shipped in a few days!
Andy
IP036
LTK023
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Peter's revised ETA for the frame came through, actually it arrived a day or 2 before he said it would and he sent the tracking code to me. Thanks Peter!
Not sure if this is on all 3K weave frames, but some of my joints are in UD carbon. Not a big deal as the 3k fade to solid black at the bottom bracket actually looks pretty cool. Matte finish 3K frame, bars, rims looks rad and I'm sure won't come through in pics very well. Started building last night and couldn't stop, it was so much fun to be a 5 yr old at Christmas building a good bike. The only think better than this bike, is a wife who encourages me to buy/build it. (Guess she might get a more fit husband out of it..) Fotos tomorrow when the sun comes up. It was a middle/upper end build and came in at 28lbs.
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It seems that shaving the last few grams is what nukes the budget.
This exactly. Figure out the point of diminishing returns and you'll have a top of the line ride for a reasonable price.
Looking forward to the pics! Especially the weave fade to black joint areas - sounds pretty sweet looking, imo
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Seeing as this thread is pretty active, I'm going to ask here. How exactly do you buy a frame from xmiplay? I'm wanting to buy the ip-036, but I'm not seeing anyway to do so. Do I just have to skype or email them?
Awesome forum, by the way. I'll be a lot more active once I start my build. :)
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Email peter@xmiplay.cn and let him know what you would like to purchase. Then the transaction will be completed through PayPal.
[edit by MTB2223: changed email address of peter]
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Great, thank a lot!
Editted for me being dumb. lol
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Email peter@iplay.com and let him know what you would like to purchase. Then the transaction will be completed through PayPal.
Actually my email is peter@xmiplay.cn :P
Thank you guys
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they like to communicate back and forth with Skype messaging, if you have skype
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Rode the IP036 Revelation, CC DBinline, XT today.. this is a very light, smooth, stiff bike even in the XL frame size. It felt the same as the Santa Cruz TallBoy I took out a while back...
my pictures were showing up on this post, but just disappeared, don't know why
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Darn it, I would LOVE to see the pics.
Andy
IP036
LTK023
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ok, I must be overthinking this, no one else is having issues, how do you post pictures!!?
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Best way I can recommend is to get a free Flickr.com account, upload the files, then post the link here.
Although, there is a tutorial for posting pictures on Chinertown here:
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,196.0.html
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Some quick observations, and finally.. pictures :)
iplay handlebars would not allow my Ergon GS1 grips on (too fat), and the bars don't feel wide enough.. so going back to my old bars.
there's play in my front hub, don't know if its an adjustment or just the way it is, (Novatec came with the built up carbon wheelset)
Bike climbs like a goat! Revelation RS with 120mm travel feel really good on it.
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Thanks for posting all the pics- bike looks great, and the high-res shots are really helpful to show how it goes together.
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Very nice Ponderosa! A brand new FS IP-036 Chiner should does look awesome!
One thing I did different was run the rear brake line internal in the frame. Since I also am running a 1X setup, I thought it would be a cleaner look, not to mention the sizing for the internal routing was correct for the rear brake line.
What was your final build cost? Always good to post up your final cost for anyone else looking to build a a similar bike.
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That's really an awesome bike !!!
Don't forget to run your front brake cable between your fork and your wheel.
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Thx guys.
Ya, I went riding in Sedona a couple days ago.. fortunately the engineers I rode with quickly spotted a bunch of things that weren't tightened up (didn't have the right tools). Cables are all internal now and cleaned up. Looks much better, and I'll never cut through the palm of my hand with a zip tie, by grabbing the down tube again!
I'll work on total build cost and post soon.
If you're buying Shimano brakes, order the funnel cup tool, 6$ and makes bleeding brakes much much easier. (Shimano, you should include this with brake sets.)
I'm 6'1" and would definitely get bars wider than 680mm. The 1x10 setup (or 1xwhatever you want) is money!~
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this bike looks amazing... just loved it... what do you think of the wheels? and the RCT3? and could you tell me how to set it up, having a really hard time doing it to mine
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That's really an awesome bike !!!
Don't forget to run your front brake cable between your fork and your wheel.
I've never routed my front brake cable this way and never have had a problem. The cable routing on my Fox fork is designed to run the cable on the outside, I've looked at changing it but the retention piece doesn't work if I were to run to the inside. So, unless you've experienced a problem, it seems to be personal preference.
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Awesome looking ride, ponderosa!
I'm 6'1" and would definitely get bars wider than 680mm. The 1x10 setup (or 1xwhatever you want) is money!~
I agree completely with the above. I'm 6'1" and went with 711mm wide bars and it feels perfect. I could possibly see going to 720mm but then perhaps I'd have issues with tree strikes on the tight Arkansas singletrack. And yes, I freaking love the 1X setup! Looking forward to more options coming out. Have you considered doing the one up rear derailleur cage and sprocket mod to get a little extra gear range for the climbs?
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what do you think of the wheels? and the RCT3? and could you tell me how to set it up, having a really hard time doing it to mine
You mean to say your having a hard time with the RCT3 not the whole bike right? I don't know squat about setting them up, and my rear shock is, apparently, crazy adjustable too... so there's a education in suspension coming up for me.
Guys I've been out of real biking for 3 or 4 years so I just don't much reference points to identify where the improvements are coming from. Everything about this ride is so vastly superior to my Homegrown 26"..
35mm OD wheels are stiff and seem super strong. In final analysis, I'm glad I did the 35mm vs the 30mm wheels (tire contact/volume etc.). The 29" wheels benefit from wider bars imo, like 700-750mm. (just ordered Chromag Fubars OSX Handlebar).
This bike simply flys. It eats up the terrain. The RS Revelations were a fairly expensive part , but the RS Rev seems very supple now that its been ridden a few times and when dialed in I think its going to perform really well. They do add some weight over the SIDs others are using, but this XC wants to moonlight as a all mountain. But I can tell you the Cane Creek DB inline and the RS Revelation RCT just make this bike supple.
What was your final build cost? Always good to post up your final cost for anyone else looking to build a a similar bike.
Don't take my build cost to seriously, I had some help with some bike shop connections (didn't get wholesale, but definitely less than retail on about 2/3rds of my parts. The other third I got at online outlets in CA and England.
630 frame XMIPlay ip 036
500 Fork RockShox Revelation RCT3 Fork, 29", 120mm, Solo Air, ML 15, MoCo DNA 3- Pos, Crown Adj, Tapered, 51mm Off-Set, Dif Black
285 Rear Susp Cane Creek Double Barrel InLine Rear Shock, 165x38mm (6.5 x 1.5")
65 HandleBars Chromag 780mm
Headset Neco XMIPlay
58 Stem Thomson Elite X4 Mountain Stem 70mm 90 Degrees 31.8 1-1/8" Threadless Black
22 Grips Ergon GS1-L Racing Grips: Large Black
38 Saddle WTB Laser V Pro Saddle Black NiCro Rail
180 Dropper KS LEV DX Dropper Seatpost, 31.6, 125mm Travel, Black
20 Bash Guard Race Face Light Bash Guard, 32t x 104mm Black
22 1x10 single chain ring RaceFace Narrow-Wide Single Ring 32t x 104 Black
6 Allow 180mm on 160mm setup Shimano F180P/P2 Disc Brake Adaptor
39 Front Rotor Shimano XT RT86M 180mm 6-Bolt IceTech Disc Brake Rotor
35 Rear Rotor Shimano XT RT86S 160mm 6-Bolt IceTech Disc Brake Rotor
100 Rear Brakes Shimano XT M785B Pre-Bled Rear Disc Brake Kit Metal Pad 1700mm Hose
100 Front Brakes Shimano XT M785B Pre-Bled Front Disc Brake Kit Metal Pad 1000mm Hose
32 Pedals MSW CP-200 Platform/Clipless Pedal Sealed Bearings Black/Silver
8 Cleat Wellgo WPD-98A Cleats, SPD Compatible
580 Wheelset/Hubs/spokes XMI Play 35mm Carbon hookless, Novatec, Sapim
42 Cassette Shimano XT M771 10 Speed MTB Cassette
80 Tires Maxxis Ardent Tire 29X2.25 LUST/UST Folding Black
25 Chain Shimano XT HG95 SIL-TEC 10 Speed Chain
0 Front Derailur
62 Rear Deraillur Shimano XT M786 Shadow+ 10 Speed Rear Mech
76 Trigger shifters Shimano XT M780 10 Speed Trigger Shifter I-Spec B
140 Cranks & BB Shimano XT M780 10 Speed Triple Chainset
3,145 TOTAL
Have you considered doing the one up rear derailleur cage and sprocket mod to get a little extra gear range for the climbs?
I crammed so much junk in my brain while researching for this bike, I know I saw that one up mod somewhere, but can't remember exactly what/where it was. Please give link if its not much trouble for one up mod. Adding a gear would be great!
I have a friend with a 25lb XX1 Pivot, hoping to swap with him and gauge some comparisons/impressions soon.
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I crammed so much junk in my brain while researching for this bike, I know I saw that one up mod somewhere, but can't remember exactly what/where it was. Please give link if its not much trouble for one up mod. Adding a gear would be great!
davidd used the mod in his build: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,475.15.html
There's more info on a thread around here somewhere but I can't find it at the moment. Basically it's a rear cog (40t I think) that you install on your cassette, and you also pair it with a one up derailleur cage that fits Shimano shadow plus derailleurs. If you check out the above linked thread and scroll down there's some really good up close pics of the whole set up. The one up aftermarket parts are the lime green components. Hopefully he'll be updated that thread with impressions of that specific set-up.
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Ponderosa, yes i meant setting the RCT3, it works just fine, just can not get the SAG and whatever adjusted to a point i feel ok with the money i spent. Coming from a FOX and it was way easier to set up. Mine seems to hard and slow to respond.
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I crammed so much junk in my brain while researching for this bike, I know I saw that one up mod somewhere, but can't remember exactly what/where it was. Please give link if its not much trouble for one up mod. Adding a gear would be great!
davidd used the mod in his build: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,475.15.html
There's more info on a thread around here somewhere but I can't find it at the moment. Basically it's a rear cog (40t I think) that you install on your cassette, and you also pair it with a one up derailleur cage that fits Shimano shadow plus derailleurs. If you check out the above linked thread and scroll down there's some really good up close pics of the whole set up. The one up aftermarket parts are the lime green components. Hopefully he'll be updated that thread with impressions of that specific set-up.
Hi ponderosa, with OneUp you have a choice of 42 or 40 tooth cog and the RAD or RADr cage. The Cogs come with a 16 tooth cog which you use to replace the 15 and 17 to smooth out the gap. The Rad cage is simply a replacement outer cage sized between a long and medium Shimano cage. The RadR replaces the entire cage and shifts the central point of the top jockey wheel to a different point than the standard Shimano cage. With the original OneUp setup the B screw needed to be screwed all the way in to allow the cage to clear the larger cog. With the RADr cage it hardly needs any adjustment. As soon as I get some quality time on it I will post an update on my thread.