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Basically something with a round seatpost and ~900/350g frame/fork weight. I'm not super crazy about the Aethos style frames... would def prefer something with a more horizontal top tube like a traditional modern climbing bike

I'm kind of feeling TanTan's R5 ripoff... some folks here built a few (FM6x9)

https://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=4168.0

I like my Dengfu FM208; would love to do an R02 or R12 disc build but they seem to have disappeared. Just wondering what else is out there; seems all the focus is either on aero or Aethos.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: TANTAN FM202
« on: April 25, 2024, 06:39:07 AM »
same frame as???.....

Velobuild 2023 VB-R-066  https://www.velobuildmall.com/products/2023-vb-r-066-carbon-fiber-endurance-road-racing-bike-frame-disc-version

 Og-Evkin QONQI  https://ogevkinbike.com/products/qonqi-road-carbon-fiber-frame-v-brake
I think both of those are external cable while this is internal. All inspired by the Canyon Endurace. Def curious about this build, I have been looking at the VB-R-066 for a while but like the internal cabling of this one.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: GCN just reviewed Sava
« on: April 20, 2024, 08:05:10 PM »
i hope that thing doesn't take off (metaphorically). this should remain nothing but a concept bike imo
integrated handlebars is one thing, STI is another, but a whole proprietary fork+handlebars combo? we need to go back. maybe not to downtube friction shifters but what's next? onepiece frame and seatpost? oh wait. shifters welded to handlebars from the factory, claiming a 40% stiffness improvement? this whole thing is ridiculous, convenience and fit be damned. it's probably not even faster
Dont panic lol. This is an outlier. You can still buy plenty of round seat tube external cable frame sets and conventional components.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Winspace SCL 2 disc
« on: April 07, 2024, 06:28:23 AM »
Nice bike! Looks big for a 52. Did you manage to weigh the frame?

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What tires do you have on now, and have you measured the tire to bike gaps? If you have the disc versions you may be able to go with wider wheels with the same tire and run lower pressures.

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Its hard to justify a Chinese frame around/above 1k when you can get western full bikes for 2k or less
A Chinese build around a $1000 Carbonda/Elves frame is gonna be way nicer than a $2K 20lb big brand bike, especially if you are particular at all about weight, specs etc. I was looking at Endurace 7s when they were on sale, but when I factored in that I would want new bars and wheels it wasn't worth it. A custom build would still be cheaper, lighter and much less of a hassle.

For me things get problematic when Chinese frames get far above the ~1000 mark (I.e. Yoeleo, Winspace etc). From there you're not far in price from a lower end Western frame set (though Patlien's experience with Giant doesn't speak well of that either).

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Someone put 38s on a 1056 "without issue"

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2982.msg57684.html#msg57684

Though if you really want to guarantee big tire clearance it might be worth looking into gravel/cross frames.

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I mean if you really just want to dip your toe into the disc brake thing, consider getting a disc fork + wheel + cable brake caliper for one of your rim brake road bikes.

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Are these dual sided by some miracle? My DUB Zero PM only reports one side.

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PS: really feels like we've reached peak bike, one really needs a trained eye to tell bikes apart...
I think we have just reached peak UCI restrictions but I have probably summoned a new level of pedantry from them..

Carbonda CFR 1056?


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I dont buy my bikes on aliexpress and i've had several warranty issues / goodwill instances when my counterparts did the right thing. I've had 2 or 3 warranty / crash claims with Farsports, i've had velobuild send me their updated C rings free of charge, i've received wheels that were centerlock after ordering 6 bolt and received adaptors free of charge. I've had a derailleur replaced free of charge & received a bunch of freebies.

Long story short, there's more to dealing with chinese counterparts than aliexpress & assuming no warranty coverage. I'm the highest tier on aliexpress and usually (not always) they are helpful. I had a bad experience with Alibaba, they clearly gave no F about me, that was disappointing, but i'm not going to cry about it, after all they were sticking to their T&Cs.
In fact 2 weeks ago i ordered via aliexpress a replacement crank arm for cheap. I shouldn't have paid for it, but this seller is a dick and i'll do my best not to work with them again. Either way it should save my ass for cheap enough.

I guess my point is: build relationships with sellers you learn to trust. It's so much easier than it used to be to have clear discussions with them. Either they speak decent english now, or they use translation software that actually works. It used to be an uphill battle to make yourself understood. Now i feel i can ask very detailed questions and i usually get spot on answers.

Last: the vast majority of people still assume that if it's unbranded and chinese, it's poor quality. I have friends who to this day will not use an unbranded chinese bike out of fear of death. Sadly (?), some of them are actually highly educated people with engineering degrees placing them in the 0.01% of the population. Others are just Luddites. Which ties back to Factfulness, in fact.
Most of this forum exists to navigate issues around oval holes, unfaced brake mount surfaces, out of tolerance interfaces, and structural integrity of parts. Together, usually referred to as QC. Aka, quality... Aka, who to order from to minimize the chances of ordering a dud.
You're still kind of missing my point. Most people don't want to do all this research and build relationships with online vendors and all that. They just want to see and touch a bike, buy it and ride it. So if you want people to get more familiar and comfortable with Chinese brands, Chinese brands have to sell the same way as the big boys.

Personally I am not bothered if someone who knows nothing about Chinese brands thinks they are low quality death traps. It's not my job to educate strangers. I build bikes for myself, not to impress and educate random people.

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I don't think the question is around the quality of Chinese bike parts; anyone who knows anything about how and where high end bikes are made already knows this.

The hurdle is in the purchasing process. Most people don't want to go on an Aliexpress wild goose chase w/no warranty coverage. Even more streamlined direct to consumer stuff like Winspace and Yoeleo is still kind of fringe. So if the Chinese want to really have a presence in the mainstream Western bike market they need brick and mortar stores with no nonsense warranty coverage. That would really accelerate the price war with the major brands though, especially if the Chinese stuff is in the same stores.

But again I feel like Chinese brands are OK with their current direct to consumer model. They pass on the risk to brands they sell to as OEMs as well as to us consumers. Look at all the pain and agony the Western brands are going through right now.

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I wish this came in 165mm.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Carbonda Cfr 1056
« on: March 28, 2024, 06:04:23 AM »
I think tires will have a bigger impact on comfort than the frame. This frame will fit 32c tires so if you need max comfort go that route.

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Have you considered going disc with cable? That will let you keep everything rim brake except the calipers/wheels, and give you substantially more tire clearance.

Velobuild's VB-R-066 comes in rim brake and disc and meets a lot of your requirements. I would still lean towards disc. Yes you will need a new wheelset too but that's an opportunity to really lean into the width. You can even get MTB wheels if aero is not a concern. Then use your rim brake groupset with something like Juin Tech F1 calipers. Something to think about

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