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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29+ & 27+ => Topic started by: supermoto65 on April 30, 2019, 03:04:19 PM
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Hello,
This will be my first ever build thread.
I ordered the FM08 - http://www.tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=681 through @sissypants in a 29 version with standard matte UD finish. I have to thank him for putting up with all my questions ... this was the first time I've ever ordered anything direct from China without going through ebay or amazon.
I will update this thread as progress is made.
Here is the latest tracking update ...
(https://i.imgur.com/HXfcKg3.png)
Can't wait to get it here and start the build!
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Arghhh .. still stuck in customs.
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Hi Supermoto, I am intrigued by this frame, but am a bit hesitant to pull the trigger, as the BB might be a bit high. I am interested to know what shock options fit.
When you get the frame, could you do me a favour, and check the minimum eye to eye between the shock mounts when bottomed out. I suppose it would bottom out when the rear tyre hits the frame, so this measurement would need the rear tyre installed, but before the shock is installed. I understand there are 2 shock positions with the flip chip - I'd need to know which position the flip chip was in when the measurement was done. I'd really appreciate it if you could do this.
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Hey sclyde2,
Sure thing! Did you see the specs? It lists 3 shocks 200x50 210x47.5 which both get you 136mm of travel and 210x55 for 152 mm (the option I am building). Also .. your measurement will vary depending on tire size ...
I got the 29 version of the frame but I'm not sure of the difference between that and the 27.5. I wanted 27.5 but I am impatient and they did not have that version in stock. I am going to try my 27.5 wheelset anyway and see if it fits. I have 2.6 WT Minions on it. My 29 wheels have 2.25 Rekons. I will measure with both for you if it helps.
Just checked EMS and wooohooo!
(https://i.imgur.com/COalvDS.png)
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And it begins!
(https://i.imgur.com/Bz34q7B.jpg)
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Nice! Keep us posted! :)
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Hey super stoked to see your build! Not a lot of folks have put this one together yet and nobody's done a ride analysis, so thanks for posting up!
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I cannot recall seeing an e-type derailleur mount stuck into a linkage arm like that. It is an interesting frame. I'd like to see some kinematics charts
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So unwrapped it last night and had a good look at it. Looks good to me except one area pictured below ...
Any idea if this will affect BB at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/HvMqYQ5.jpg)
Here are a couple of quick images of the frame ..
(https://i.imgur.com/uqe0p9P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aGu3KRe.jpg)
Just about finished the disassembly of the donor bike last night as well.
Tonight I will start the build!
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Started the build last night ... ran into a few snags.
Forgot to order 2 rear shock mounting kits .... for some reason I only ordered 1.
Frame issues:
1) When trying to insert my fork ... it was binding for some reason .... well when I took it out and looked down into the head-tube ... this is what I saw ..
(https://i.imgur.com/GCO5Nxn.jpg)
Nice.. right? Yeah. The inserts for the internal cable routing have these screws that hold them in ... and they extend right into the head tube. Scratched up my fork stem nicely.
2) Rear triangle cable inserts. Again an issue with the cable routing inserts. The brake side has way too small of a hole in it for a brake line, while the drive side has a much larger hole.
I did put my 27.5 back wheel on it ... did not take pictures of clearance - rim was a 35mm with a Minion DHR II 2.6WT - looks like you might get a 2.8 on there.
3) My donor bike frame has XT brakes with the adaptor for 180mm rotors. This frame take 180mm without adapter so my caliper bolts are too long.
I will get some pictures tonight.
Question on frame protection ... What is everyone using and what areas of the frame do I need to protect?
I will take some pics tonight.
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Take the screws all the way out, cut them down and I think your problem will be fixed. Make sure you put a nut on the screw before you cut it down, that way once it has been cut you can file down the cut end to clean it up and then remove the nut and that will clean up any burs you have without cross threading the screw.
With the rear, can you swap one side for the other? I was super impressed with the BXT I got when it came to this, they had three different size entry points so you could swap and change for brake line, gear line with outer and then also just gear cable. It also allowed me to set up right side front brake like we ride down under.
Good luck with it, these little snags will all be worth it once it is finished and dialled in.
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Take the screws all the way out, cut them down and I think your problem will be fixed. Make sure you put a nut on the screw before you cut it down, that way once it has been cut you can file down the cut end to clean it up and then remove the nut and that will clean up any burs you have without cross threading the screw.
With the rear, can you swap one side for the other? I was super impressed with the BXT I got when it came to this, they had three different size entry points so you could swap and change for brake line, gear line with outer and then also just gear cable. It also allowed me to set up right side front brake like we ride down under.
Good luck with it, these little snags will all be worth it once it is finished and dialled in.
Yeah ... thanks ...planned to do all that ... just a bummer that wasn't addressed by them.
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Finished the initial build last night.
Overall, I am pleased with the frame construction and quality. I ran into a few snags but nothing major (hoping the BB imperfection doesn't haunt me later). The internal cable inserts were no big deal to drill out ... cut down the long screws that intruded into the head tube without issues. Dropper cable was a little bit of a pain but I got it in ... TIP - route all cables BEFORE installing forks. That makes it much easier to grab the cables as the come into the head tube area.
I would probably have it painted if I ordered it again today ... I did not realize the UD Matte was also a paintjob and thought I would get the frame sooner if I opted out of custom paint. The UD Matte shows everything and there are a few areas that look like mistakes or just look aesthetically bad. The front of the headtube, for instance (see pics). I am designing a vinyl wrap for the bike ... not sure which way I am going with that yet so not a big deal.
Still need to cut down the steerer once I get the cockpit fit nailed down. Also have 165mm crankset to go in place of the 175mm on it now. On the lookout for a nicer dropper with a little more travel.
I hope to hit the trail this evening .. will report back with ride report.
Build Sheet
TanTan FM08 Frame - UD Matte 29'r version
Fork - 2019 Pike 150mm Debonair Charger 2 Boost
Shock - Fox - Factory DPS EVOL (210x55 for 150mm rear travel)
RWC Needle bearing shock bushings on the way .. not yet installed.
Groupset - SRAM Eagle GX
Brakes - Shimano XT 8000 180mm rotors
Wheels - 27.5" Race Face ARC 35 with Bitex hubs built by SpeedGearBike
Minion DHF and DHRII 2.6 WT
Spoon bars and 35mm stem
ODI Troy Lee lock on grips
Dropper - KS Eten 100mm with Wolftooth lever
Seatpost Clamp - Amazon blue anodized no name
WTB seat
I took most components off my 2019 Motobecane HAL Eagle Boost.
I got the Fox shock on Pros Closet for $149 shipped .. it's a 2017 Yeti takeoff.
SpeedGearBike built the wheels and I had them on my MB HAL for a couple of months ... very happy with them but I may have a 29 set built as well.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzWybZDD/IMG-4548.jpg)
Shock all mounted. Was a little tricky holding the flip chip parts while getting the shock in place.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gc3jDxJb/IMG-4552.jpg)
Fitting the Fork and bars
(https://i.postimg.cc/VLRNx2n7/IMG-4553.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jh9738Ch/IMG-4555.jpg)
Eagle GX
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBfY3KGt/IMG-4556.jpg)
Had to adapt a few parts to get the BB in .. the press I bought would not clear the inner bearing race so I had to improvise. Got it in without issue though. Plenty of grease applied so let's hope no creaking.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bw5q8PJR/IMG-4557.jpg)
Crank is in.
(https://i.postimg.cc/159mrM2D/IMG-4558.jpg)
32 Chainring fits easily.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3FqX91P/IMG-4560.jpg)
Those are some nice blue fookers ... lol (Fooker Pedals on Amazon)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTQyZzFZ/IMG-4565.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QgQMTxZ/IMG-4567.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bv2pw5Sf/IMG-4564.jpg)
These pics are from a couple of nights ago ... I will post some pics of the completely finished bike later.
I'd be happy to answer any questions about the build or if there are any measurements you need or want ...
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I'd be happy to answer any questions about the build or if there are any measurements you need or want ...
Hey Supermoto,
Yeah, I am interested in a few measurements:
BB height - floor to middle of BB spindle
Eye to eye at bottom out - distance between middle of shock mounts when the tyre contacts the frame. Would need the shock off for this.
If you could do these measurements with your 29 wheels and tyres if would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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I'd be happy to answer any questions about the build or if there are any measurements you need or want ...
Hey Supermoto,
Yeah, I am interested in a few measurements:
BB height - floor to middle of BB spindle
Eye to eye at bottom out - distance between middle of shock mounts when the tyre contacts the frame. Would need the shock off for this.
If you could do these measurements with your 29 wheels and tyres if would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Darnit .. I just saw this and last night I had the shock off to install RWC needle bearings in the mounts. I did not get those measurements. I did measure the BB height from ground to bottom of BB and it was at 12" with my 27.5 2.6 Minions if that helps.
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Thanks.
Wow, only 305mm? Geez that's low I realise that is with 27.5 wheels though. Could you please measure the height of your wheels (from floor to the top edge of the tyre). I.e. the outside/rolling diameter of your tyres. Then I suppose I can confirm the BB drop (I think it was around 25mm with a 560mm a-c fork), and estimate BB height on some 29er wheels
Have you ridden it yet? If so, what length cranks? It is pretty low?
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A few updates:
Wheels ... had some 29's built and the should be here on Monday. The pedal strikes were happening too often for me. Even with the 165mm cranks ... I noticed on a recent ride while following someone that they were pedaling in a lot of places that I couldn't or didn't because of the possibility of a pedal strike.
BB ... it's creaking badly. I noticed on my first, longer ride that my crankset came loose ... this was after about 9 miles. A few rides after getting it tightened back it started creaking. I wasn't sure where it was coming from so I torqued and greased all the pivot points, checked rear axle tightness but still had the creak. Pretty sure it is coming from the BB. I hate press fit BB's. Reading up on it I see where some say to use carbon paste instead of grease on aluminum BB cups like I have.
Got a great deal on a remaining 2018 Hope Tech 3 V4 front brake in blue .. so grabbed that and got a E4 for the back. Using the Shimano rotors for now but plan on replacing them with Hope rotors.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LX7LgZvR/IMG-4665.jpg)
Started the wrap on the bike this week. I chose Avery Roaring Thunder Gloss color flip. I really like the blue/red/gold flip on this and the Avery color films are much easier to work with compared to 3m. I don't plan on wrapping the entire frame but haven't decided on an exact design yet ...
(https://i.postimg.cc/59YwdnNt/IMG-5267.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3yd2tSC/IMG-5266.jpg)
Hopefully finish the wrap this weekend and get some pics with the new wheels next week.
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Wow, doing a great job on that wrap, looks awesome.
Did you see sclyde2's post above? Can you confirm outer diameter of your current 27.5' wheels with rubber please? I think it's these really low bb heights we get with this new "long low slack" designs that are holding a lot of buyers back.
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Tire is about 28.25" top to bottom.
Update on creaking ... It was the rear axle/ cassette and NOT the BB. I went ahead and remove the wheel and re-greased the cassette/hub/bearings and axle. Then I cleaned all the mating surfaces on the frame to hub connections, and reinstalled making sure everything was torqued down properly ..... quiet as a kitten now!
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Thanks mate, glad to hear you got the creaking sorted out as well.
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Some pictures from last weekend ..
The color flip doesn't show as well in these photos but it goes from a deep blue to purple to red then gold ...
Bike gets lots of compliments on the trails and I might have sold a couple more frames for TanTan ...
(https://i.postimg.cc/NGb2qKSd/IMG-5270.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/K831MJzW/IMG-5272.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TY4y1ZRm/IMG-5278.jpg)
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Sorry to keep bugging you, at the bottom of page 1 you measured BB height to the bottom of the BB, can you measure it to the centre of the BB? Most BB heights are quoted to the centre and that makes it easier for us to compare to other frames, or bikes we have. Thanks.
Oh and please make sure you have a velcro strap around that pump, my best mate was killed many years ago when his pump dislodged from his road bike, jammed and somehow sent him head first into a tree.
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Nice build, sweet paintjob! Thanks for the thread! ;D
How do you feel the bike? Any issues?
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Sorry to keep bugging you, at the bottom of page 1 you measured BB height to the bottom of the BB, can you measure it to the centre of the BB? Most BB heights are quoted to the centre and that makes it easier for us to compare to other frames, or bikes we have. Thanks.
Oh and please make sure you have a velcro strap around that pump, my best mate was killed many years ago when his pump dislodged from his road bike, jammed and somehow sent him head first into a tree.
I just put a set of 29's on it ... I will measure it again for you tonight.