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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Carbon_Dude on June 07, 2014, 05:50:51 PM
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After posting a reply on MTBR just a short while ago, I was thinking that we could start a thread for those people that want a nice Chiner but don't want to, or don't have the technical expertise to build a bike themselves. If we have enough forum members scattered around the country, there might be someone who would pay another person who lives nearby, to build the bike for them.
I know if someone were willing to pay me for my time, I could very easily do the assembly.
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I'm fairly certain a lot of people would.
Consider the price of tools, grease, bike stand, etc, and time spent doing the build and it would make sense for a lot of people to spend the money to have someone else do it.
People are always willing to pay for convenience. How much is the real question.
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Given, the time, tools, and expertise required to build a carbon bike I would not consider doing a build for another member for less than $500 USD. This would still end up being thousands less than buying a brand name bike from a LBS. With that savings, the buyer would still need to be responsible for ordering parts they want, although I could make recommendations, and any warranty would be limited to what each of the component manufacturers offer.
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$500-$600 seems about fair.. I'd personally consider it. Mainly due to time constraints and the fact that there is a ton of stuff on my "to learn" list and building an MTB isn't at the top of it.
Just have all components sent to the builder, but then you also have additional shipping costs of what about $75? So that's $575 extra over total price paid for components in the build. Subtract $200 for tools, stand, etc, that you wouldn't have to buy and that's $375 over price of components for build. Personally, I think an extra $375 for a completed build by someone competent that knows what they're doing is pretty cheap. And a hell of a lot cheaper than the 1-4k mark-up of a similar name brand carbon bike. Plus I could avoid some inevitable damage that I'd cause to to my own lack of experience.
One thing I'd like is it the bike came pretty much ready to go. Tubeless tires, rim tape, sealant already installed. Tires and suspension aired up according to my weight. I don't own any pumps and do plan to get some eventually but considering the price of a bike isn't cheap, it's difficult to buy everything at once. If I could get rolling on my bike and be able to post pone buying pumps and sealant and crap for a couple of weeks - that'd be pretty convenient for me.
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To save shipping costs, if the buyer were close, one could arrange the parts to either be picked up or dropped off. Another option would be to drop ship parts to the builder's address.
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Another option would be to drop ship parts to the builder's address.
You mean just having the parts sent directly from the place of purchase to the builders address, correct?
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I certainly would and have considered it. I thought about putting mine up on Craigslist with a big markup just to gauge responses. However mtb demand is low in nyc. I'd love to build one up and talk through a unique look etc.
Big issue is of course eventual complaints if things go wrong. Ex a guy over inflates and tire blows out , burps on trail , derailleur or hydraulics arent EXACTLY what he was expecting etc.
But as a premise , oh yeah id certainly do it.
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Another option would be to drop ship parts to the builder's address.
You mean just having the parts sent directly from the place of purchase to the builders address, correct?
That would make the most sense. Buyer can still track all items and get sent pics of all arriving items as they show.
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I thought about putting mine up on Craigslist with a big markup just to gauge responses. However mtb demand is low in nyc.
And that's the problem with craigslist - it's too local and therefore limited. Ebay is too cluttered full of crap for me.
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I would absolutely pay someone to build my bike if I didn't have the ability or the necessary tools to do so.
Bike shops typically charge around 80-150 depending on the type of frame or parts that are used.
I'm fortunate that I have access to a shop and their tools.
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Bike shops typically charge around 80-150 depending on the type of frame or parts that are used.
They only charge $80-$150 to assemble an entire build? I would've guessed more than that for sure. Kinda hard to believe actually.. Mine tried to charge me $40 just for a proper fitting and set-up, a few years back.
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Pretty much for a full build up if straight forward. Some include cables in their prices. It really depends on where you go.
What fitting did you get charged 40 for?
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Wow! Labour rates sure are high in the US. I'm sorry to be an ass but if that's indicative then it's no wonder off-shore trade is booming. For comparison, my FM015 road build over here in the UK cost me £90 or US$150 at today's ROE. There's no way that anybody would pay $500+ for a build over here. It's a 2 hour job - no wrench in the world is that good.
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Ive been under the impression once you get into things like tubeless , hydraulic, 1x conversion , and carbon parts you're cost ends up way more than 150$.
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What fitting did you get charged 40 for?
Well I didn't actually pay for it, but it was a road bike from BikesDirect... Was just wanting a professional fitting done (stem length and rise, seat height)
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Just got in from a club ride. The local wrench reckons 1.5 hours to build a current 29er from scratch with new parts. Cost - depends on whether you source parts from the LBS or not! Turn up at the shop with internet sourced f&f/components - that'll be £100, please (guilty!). Let the shop source your specification and try to price match - £60-80 approx if you give them a fair chance to price match. In other words, they mark up their labour rate by 25-50% for online builds.
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^^ Thanks for investigating. Good insight and seems obvious now that you point it out.
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My bike shop in the midwest charges $60 bucks for a year tuneup so I would imagine to build the bike it would at least double.
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What fitting did you get charged 40 for?
Well I didn't actually pay for it, but it was a road bike from BikesDirect... Was just wanting a professional fitting done (stem length and rise, seat height)
A legit fit should cost about 200-250. Depending on what is done. I got fit on my road bike and it took about 1.5 hours.
For me the most important part of the fit was my saddle position. I was getting lower back pain on my left side. During the fit...he found that my saddle was too low and too far back. He also added shims that canted my knees in. The lower back pain was gone on the first long ride out. I can't count the amount of people I see riding their bikes with the saddles too and their knees bowed out.
So I just took those measurements and used them on my 29er.
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Friend had a tuneup done on an older bike with a few parts replacement - totalled $220.00
parts were tires/tubes...so 200.00 for 'complete' tuneup
I was quoted 25.00 for putting in a BB30 crank.
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Here is what a local shop charges for his services.
Bar tape install $8
Bike frame swap – old parts on new frame $100
Bottom Bracket Adjustment $12
Bottom Bracket Install $20
Bottom Bracket Overhaul $20
Brake Adjustment $12
Brake Cable Install $15
Clean bike $25
Clipless Pedal Setup $20
Computer Install $10
Derailleur Adjustment $12
Derailleur Install $20
Derailleur Cable Install $15
Disc Brake Bleeding $20
Disc Brake Install $25
Disc Brake Line Install $22
Drive Train Soak $35
Freewheel/Cassette Install $8
Freewheel/Cassette Removal $8
Grip Install $6
Headset Install $35
Headset Overhaul $20
Hub Adjustment $12
Hub Overhaul $20
Mountain bike – Hard Tail Build $60
Mountain bike – Full Suspension Build $80
Replace tube $6
Rim Brake Install $20
Road bike - Build $60
Small adjustments $5
Threaded Headset Adjustment $12
True Wheel $18
Most installs $5-10
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Those are some really cheap prices RS VR6, every bike shop around Atlanta would charge 2x-4x that amount.
My LBS quoted $100 just to install my Scott twin-loc remote lockout. I think the going rate is about $60-$80/hr for shop service these days. Your shop is stuck in about 1984 which is great for you!
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This guy is a straight up one man operation. He's also a Cat 3 racer. I was really surprised by his pricing.
On the flip side...there is a better known and larger shop a couple towns over and they charge 300!!
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Just to add to the market benchmarking. I am in $75 to finish my build - headset, cutting steer tube, shorting and routing brake lines, chain length, rederailer setup, and final once over.
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I've spent well over $400 USD on proper tools but I built 5 so far.
Different types of grease, anti-seize, brake fluid for shimano, hydraulic fluid for RockShocks lockout.
$500 for a build is fair. At the end an experienced builder will help you avoid issues with things that are not placed properly.
You miss a bearing gasket and you ended up replacing a bearing earlier. You leave your chain to long and it will be jumping out of the chain-ring.
Now if you want to race I would recommend you do your own build. This way you will know every little detail of your bike. Specially for race day when you need to identify and fix something fast.
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I've spent well over $400 USD on proper tools but I built 5 so far.
Different types of grease, anti-seize, brake fluid for shimano, hydraulic fluid for RockShocks lockout.
$500 for a build is fair. At the end an experienced builder will help you avoid issues with things that are not placed properly.
You miss a bearing gasket and you ended up replacing a bearing earlier. You leave your chain to long and it will be jumping out of the chain-ring.
Now if you want to race I would recommend you do your own build. This way you will know every little detail of your bike. Specially for race day when you need to identify and fix something fast.
Hello Charles, what are the grease and anti seize that you use?