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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ? Carbonda is also pretty well regarded. There are some lengthy threads for their frames on here. They have an aero frame and an endurance frame on their website although I don't have experience with either. I do have one of their gravel frames (CFR707) and it's really well made. They are a bit pricier than some of the other options but there haven't been nearly as many reports of problems as with some of the others.
October 30, 2022, 01:07:02 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ? Of those 3, Deng Fu have definitely had the fewest disasters.

But yeah, if Carbonda do something that suits you, I'd second them for quality ... though they are not without pitfalls - they painted my FM909 with the bearings in it, locking them in.

October 30, 2022, 05:53:04 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ? The 1056 or R12 will be much better built.  But you've also chosen 3 different bikes with different geo and tube profiles so you might want to think about that.

I highly doubt the 177 layup uses any T1000.  And to call it T1000 as they do is misleading anyway, as even if it did, it'd probably be less than 10%.  Chinese outfits (typically the low quality ones) use the T1000/1100 term interchangeably with high modulus / light weight.  The 177 is relatively light weight.   I'd be skeptical that VB or similar price point frames are using genuine Toray stuff anymore anyway (that's not to say Chinese equivalents are bad), given price rises.

November 09, 2022, 05:25:31 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
The 1056 or R12 will be much better built.  But you've also chosen 3 different bikes with different geo and tube profiles so you might want to think about that.

I highly doubt the 177 layup uses any T1000.  And to call it T1000 as they do is misleading anyway, as even if it did, it'd probably be less than 10%.  Chinese outfits (typically the low quality ones) use the T1000/1100 term interchangeably with high modulus / light weight.  The 177 is relatively light weight.   I'd be skeptical that VB or similar price point frames are using genuine Toray stuff anymore anyway (that's not to say Chinese equivalents are bad), given price rises.

Can guarantee that Velobuild is not using any T1000 carbon. Their frames are amongst the heaviest ones coming out of china!

November 09, 2022, 05:41:08 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
Thanks. Yes, admittedly, I'm not at all well versed on geometry and I did notice that the tubes seemed more geared towards weight savings in some and aero in others. 

I currently ride a 2011 S-works SL3 with R7000 105 components. Rim brake, obviously. It's on its way out and I'm not that happy about what you get for your money from the LBS these days, so want to build up my own bike. Not just for the cost savings, but also for the learning experience.  I thought I'd go with some frames that were similar to the SL7 but obviously I've missed the mark. I'm obviously many years older now, and I'm wondering if my reach has shortened a bit.  I'm also heavy enough that the weight savings from a very lightweight frame will be wasted on me. I'd rather go with a frame that is a bit heavier but well made and remains stiffer for longer.  I don't race apart from a couple of 160km sportive's per year, so happy to go with a more endurance type bike.

I know this is a very open-ended and question, but if you do have any suggestions about a frame that might be a good match, let me know. Thanks.

Dengfu fm098?

November 09, 2022, 02:44:30 PM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
Can guarantee that Velobuild is not using any T1000 carbon. Their frames are amongst the heaviest ones coming out of china!

We can guarantee we use T1000 - 1K carbon for our VB-R-177 and VB-R-218 frames  ;)

November 09, 2022, 09:00:36 PM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
Thanks. Yes, admittedly, I'm not at all well versed on geometry and I did notice that the tubes seemed more geared towards weight savings in some and aero in others. 

I currently ride a 2011 S-works SL3 with R7000 105 components. Rim brake, obviously. It's on its way out and I'm not that happy about what you get for your money from the LBS these days, so want to build up my own bike. Not just for the cost savings, but also for the learning experience.  I thought I'd go with some frames that were similar to the SL7 but obviously I've missed the mark. I'm obviously many years older now, and I'm wondering if my reach has shortened a bit.  I'm also heavy enough that the weight savings from a very lightweight frame will be wasted on me. I'd rather go with a frame that is a bit heavier but well made and remains stiffer for longer.  I don't race apart from a couple of 160km sportive's per year, so happy to go with a more endurance type bike.

I know this is a very open-ended and question, but if you do have any suggestions about a frame that might be a good match, let me know. Thanks.

Will depend on where you live, but if you're happy with rim brakes, look at branded second hand bikes, you will get the most value out of those. If it comes with shitty wheels, get 60mm carbon ones, you can get a set shipped to you for c.600 usd, or also buy that second hand. Pay attention to the brake track though. Giant TCR, cannondale supersix, there are so many of those for sale and they're so good, you can't go wrong.

November 10, 2022, 04:42:56 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
 I have pulled plug, or sent 880$ for a frame, one that rarely fits me being 194cm and more.

 798gr in XXL, I would say an upgraded version of Focus Max Izalco most probably from the same factory, KSC Kangsheng.

 My was delivered through one of the 3 in the subject, with a damaged brake bridge with bad gluing try.

 

 1st suggestion is to me arrange a repair.

 I work in international very mixed company,

 but this, sending damaged frame with terrible gluing repair attempt and everything else is unexpected.



November 10, 2022, 02:34:35 PM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?

My only main issue with the 177 was the seat post slipping which has so far been resolved. A "small piece of aluminum from a can of soda between the seatpost and the frame" was the popular solution.
Useful thread here:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3705.msg36588.html#msg36588


Secondly since the 177 has a lower stack than usual (for most people) you can consider ordering extra spacers just in case.
Watch out for the seatpost setback also with relative to toptube length and reach.

For your context i.e; "short, steep hills", the 177 should do the job.
It is basically my long + hilly day on the saddle frame.
I do not recommend it for fast pace riding on the flats though.
From my own 177 experience, it requires more effort on the flats and it is not very stable at constant speeds of 40km/h and above. It does not handle fast cornering well like in crit racing.


All the best with your frameset research.




November 11, 2022, 01:15:33 AM
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Re: Advice on where to buy a frame - dengfu/ican/velobuild ?
My preferred action is going to be to build up a new disc brake bike for the reasons stated above

I read "Rim brake, obviously" in your previous post and thought you wanted rim brakes on your next bike :)

Between the Dengfu and 177, i'd go with the 177.

November 11, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
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