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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
Here is my work-in-progress. Frame, handlebar and wheels are from LC.
For the decal, I simply provided the font and there is a little graphic on the headtube where I used simple online tools to reduce a picture to black and white and then made the background transparent.

I am very happy with the build quality so far.
And the communication with LC during the whole process was really, really great!

puhhhh - frame looks good, but copying a brand and then misspelling it (extra or not) is a bit like buying fake soccer shirts on vacation in Turkey and finding that everyone laughs at you because the club is misspelled.

Aaaabut - maybe I'm wrong and the joke is on you! ;-)

The frame itself looks good and I hope you enjoy it! :-)

December 05, 2023, 04:13:12 AM
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Re: TanTan FM202 Og-evkin QONQI VeloBuild VR066
So which seller or brand of the three offers you the best guarantee, or gives you the most confidence?

I would just check this forum and see what others say about the brands you are considering.
If you value warranty/honesty and/or your time you can cross OG-Evkin off your list. So only 2 more to go  :D

December 08, 2023, 04:42:21 AM
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Re: Yuanan Carbon fiber wheelsets Year end discount promotion I would not agree with that. My messages are being ignored. Wheelset was supposed to be 1450gr. Weight on the balance is 1537gr . Radio silence since I requested a small partial refund.

The rest of the transaction was good with Leon, but the above is enough that I would not recommend them.

December 20, 2023, 08:25:24 PM
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Re: Consensus on replica frames ?? Just wanted to update on my "FaCtOr OsTrO VaM" build, weighed in at 6.96 after pedals, cages and comp mount.












December 25, 2023, 10:19:55 PM
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Re: Chinese gear that measure the power output of both legs in watts? Technically yes, spiders can't tell left pulling from right pushing, but it really shouldn't matter in the real world. Most people don't pull at ALL, so it's safe to assume all the power comes from pushing the other side. So unless you only have one leg, then spiders should have a pretty good L/R accuracy.
Unless of course you still believe in the "round pedaling" efficiency bullshit and make a conscious effort to pull

December 26, 2023, 09:06:18 AM
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Re: Patty's Long Rant and Guide To Affordable Frames I'm going to be brutally honest here as well.

I'm likely one of the "super experienced members" you mentioned.
For about a decade, I've been assembling frames and wheels directly from China.
My journey began with discovering groups like MTBR, iPlay, Pieter, etc., and eventually led me to chinertown.com
Infinite thanks and love to Sitar_Ned!!
I hope my contributions have helped build this fantastic forum and gave something back from what I learned here.

I'm fortunate to have a well-paying job that allows me to build bikes for friends and family as a hobby, at no cost to them.
My goal is to provide them with great bikes at fair prices and to make them happy.

I'm historically particularly biased towards Carbonda and Lightbicycle, brands that you amusingly never mention.
This isn't because they pay me (they don't). It's because, among all the providers I've tested, they have never let me down.
Their products are neither the cheapest nor overly expensive.
Moreover, if anything goes wrong, their customer support surpasses that of any Western brand I've dealt with.

I understand that some people, like Trace Velo, Joe, to some extent Hambini, many others, maybe you, chasing followers to carve out a living on YouTube and social media.

However, this has turned on the marketing machine around here.
No-name frames are suddenly sub par, while stickered frames selling at double the price, or even worse, branded frames are the real deal.
Persuading folks they need some stiffness and aero benefits only pros might need.
And it works! People are seeking broader validation and rely on branded visuals to reassure themselves they're not making a misguided decision.

It doesn’t bother me people trying do their thing on YouTube and elsewhere.
But your arrival here has sadly contributed unintentionally to the spoiling of the pristine wilderness that Chinertown once was  :'(

January 31, 2024, 05:19:05 AM
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Re: Chinese cycling clothes The rion bibs look like they are the same as my YKYWbike bibs and I'm not the biggest fan of the pad. It's very stiff and doesn't conform to the saddle very well
March 01, 2024, 08:04:17 AM
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Re: Chinese cycling clothes
I tried a pair of these and the leg was short and the opening strangled my thigh.

Can't say I was overly impressed with em

I had one pair from ali that strangled my thigh too. That was really odd. Can't wear them at all. I've worn various brands outside of ali and never had that happen.

March 02, 2024, 10:36:18 PM
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Re: Name brand di2 complete or Chiner build? I feel like I'm fairly well-placed to answer this - having gone through basically the same process last year deciding between a Chinese bike, a Merida Scultura 6000 and a Polygon Helios with 105 Di2 (I'm also Australian-based, so these are basically the cheapest electronic options).

TL;DR: I went with the Merida and upgraded. Full story below.

The goal was:

- Under $5k AUD ($3250 USD)
- Decent frame (was willing to consider Chinese - bought a Velobuild 8 years ago and it was pretty good)
- Under 8kg with pedals
- Dual-sided or spider-based power
- Wheels at least 50mm deep and at least 23mm wide, prefereably with name brand hubs and spokes, preferably under 1400g
- Electronic shifting, preferably 12 speed
- Hydraulic brakes
- Good quality tubeless tyres at least 30mm wide
- No totally proprietary stem/bar setups - not too difficult to find one-piece bar/stem combo
- Easy to find a zero offset or short offset seatpost (my position requires a zero offset post on most medium size bikes)
- 38cm c-t-c bars

The Merida provided an extremely cheap starting point at $2750 AUD with 105 Di2. 99 Bikes were selling them at 25% off RRP, but for an extra discount, their gift cards were available at 15% off. Worth keeping an eye out for these deals for any Australians looking for one of these.

The stock build for the Merida is not great, but I was willing to forgive that for the price. The issues are:
- stock wheels are crap - 17mm internal, heavy, not tubeless ready.
- tyres are some low-end Contis, not bad, but not tubeless and only 28mm. You expect that on most OEM bikes though
- handlebar is much too wide, the 42cm bar measured at 43cm and the bar tape is cheap
- stock saddle is heavy, but again, you expect that

In favour, the factors were:
- price gave me a lot of room for upgrades within budget
- nothing unusual about the frame - BB86 bottom bracket, FSA headset, round 27.2mm seatpost(!!), fairly standard race geometry
- world-tour tested (means little, really, but it's nice)
- media reviews tended to be favourable, particularly for the frame
- pearlescent white paintjob is nice

In the end, I bought that and it's now been upgraded with:

Kocevlo one-piece bar and stem, 38x100
Elita One 27.2 zero offset seatpost
Elita One carbon railed, carbon base saddle
Farsports Hyper wheels with DT Swiss 350 hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes
Pirelli P-Zero Race TLR (Italy version) 700*30
Magene PES power meter

Final weight: 7.95kg
Final spend: $4,970



I'm super happy with it - it's a nice upgrade from my previous (lighter) rim brake bike, a Focus Izalco Max. It's significantly more comfortable - the 30mm tyres play a big part. The only thing I'm having issues with is the headset with the Kocevlo spacers - it's been a pain finding a balance between having the headset tight enough to remove knocking and stop the split spacers from coming apart, but not having it so tight that it binds the headset. Other than that very minor issue, it's been amazing. The FarSports wheels in particular are excellent - I ordered them without spoke holes for easy tubeless setup, and the Pirelli tyres were quite easy to get on and sealed straight away with a track pump - that impressed me a lot!

I skipped the Polygon Helios because:
- stock wheels are relatively heavy and only 19mm internal.  Cam Nicholls also wasn't a fan of them (see his ride review on YouTube).
- stock handlebars are much too wide for me (42cm) so the integrated bar/stem would need to be replaced anyway

Apart from those two things, it ticks most of the boxes.

I skipped the Chinese frames because:
- groupsets are too expensive to get in Australia on their own compared to a full bike, unless you get lucky on a second-hand set
- the price of framesets from the more reliable brands (LightCarbon, Carbonda, etc.) is starting to get to a point where it becomes better to buy a lower tier frame from a major manufacturer.
- I'd have to pay extra for custom paint, I've had a matte black bike for the last 3 years so I wanted a change. Some are not willing to do custom paint without an MOQ.

March 02, 2024, 11:14:18 PM
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Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
Your all aero experts now?  ;D


March 05, 2024, 04:11:04 PM
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