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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Nenokkias(fin) on July 18, 2022, 01:11:39 AM
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https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-29er-carbon-frame-full-suspension-xc-frame_p211.html
opinions on this frame?
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I like the way it's simply design, straight to the essential, no decoration, no carbon copy
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The whole package looks great, but it's the 38mm fork offset that has me scratching my head. I've seen 42, 44, 46 & 51mm offsets, but don't remember anything running a 38mm since the early 26" MTB days. Seems odd to me.
Having said all that, it's a solid package at a good price. From Wendy/Light Carbbon's reply: "Frame LCFS918 size L UD matte finish cost US$590/set including Frame +seat clamp+ rear thru-axle+headset+an additional derailleur hanger"
And for those of us on the US west coast, it was $165 shipping, via EMS, to California.
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I also like it very much, not a copy, slacker enough, good price, serious vendor, low weight, what else?
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I love the over BB cable routing, but not sure about the cable routing through the bars and headset yet. I just don't see enough benefit to warrant the trouble routing it.
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This is promising. Some neat features to be sure.
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A friend of mine has this on order. I will try to get some pics when it comes in.
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It seems to be a good frame for tech xc and/or marathon riding. Geometry is something in-between old school and modern "downcountry" (hate this label, but it exists though).
67.5 headtube angle will be good for low-speed steering while together with moderately long front center will allow the bike still being capable on descents. Not-so-steep seat tube angle for better power output on flat marathon sections. Threaded BB and design around 120mm fork are also good things.
Things I don't like about this frame are location of rear brake on flex stays and absence of additional bridge on upper part of them (near seat tube). Leverage ratio also seems to be a bit high (2.9 average).
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I'd say this is definitely more on the old school side. Even the 909 when set up with 120mm / 165*42.5 (thus similar travel) is much longer and much steeper seat tube, and is going to feel a lot more capable descending and climbing really steep stuff.
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We see.. I was order M size to my women and they was shipping that already
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Hey Guys!
New to this forum - I think i able gonna pull the plug and buy the 918 frame as it is cheaper shipping and frame then what Carbonda quoted me for a fm936.
My idea is to swap all my MTB parts from my hardtail to this frame, so the only new thing I would need is a shock.
What shock would you recommend for this frame? Would this work - https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/fox-suspension-float-performance-elite-lv-rear-shock/rp-prod211485?gs=1&sku=sku867452&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjw0dKXBhBPEiwA2bmObXlCTm_lhCUo76wpNFtVMERv1eahwpNpOwsmRoT36z0DlQZK5XFpDxoCuboQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Also is the BSA boost spacing?
If any of you have any advice - please let me know :)
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about rear shock, we design the frame according Monarch RL Rear Shock 165x38mm, because it's easy to get in the market.
The rear shock size is 165x38mm(standard mount only).piggy back design and coil design also be ok.
check photos as below:
Full Internal Cable Routing Design and Linkage-driven Single Pivot Suspension System .
also the frame have the knock block system as trek.
now this model have some in stock for individual buyer.
contact me:
Jim(at)lightcarbon.com
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now this model have some in stock for individual buyer.
contact me:
Jim(at)lightcarbon.com
Any idea if/when you might offer an XL frame size?
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Now only two size, M and L, if some wholesaler request size XL, we will make the model for it, normally a new model we only open one or two sizes, M or L, the rest accoriding the sales status.
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Correction: front fork offset is 51mm now, not 38mm.
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Just got the second one in and will be building it up shortly. I will try and get some pics posted soon. Looks of the frame are great and build quality seems just as great as the other light carbon frames I have. This is a buddies frame so may not have all the pics right away.
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Looks nice, reminds me of a Merida Ninety Six / Canyon Lux WC.
Only wish is for a slightly bigger model - 480mm reach / 640mm TT
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Considering one of these for the next project. Would love to hear opinions from anyone that has received and built one... and of course any pics. Most of the numbers seem pretty close to a Cannondale Scalpel SE.
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Great design frame
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I made one for my fiancé. 10.7kg.. Parts from an old bike. Plan to change suspension 120mm front and change rear normal shox whitout remote locking because the drinking bottle can't fit now without violence.. Maybe i buy winter time L size for me.. Now i ride Trifox mfm100 120/115mm setup.. it's fun and fast, but that reach is maybe too much for me..
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I made one for my fiancé. 10.7kg.. Parts from an old bike. Plan to change suspension 120mm front and change rear normal shox whitout remote locking because the drinking bottle can't fit now without violence
I’ve seen this issue on other bike frames with similar shock setups… just make a small 20-30* wedge to post between the bottle cage and frame. Angles it enough to give you a little extra space.
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My ordered LCFS918 is now painted and ready for shipment :-)
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can u remind me the price
thanks
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can u remind me the price
thanks
Frame is $550 plus shipping to your country.
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Got this ordered up along with the new 914 hard tail. Finally getting my own frame instead of building bikes for friends. a little trick to build your N+1 collection is 2 frames will fit in one box. so shipping is less per frame then.
Has anyone gone with the superlight frame version? very curious what that one comes in at in real life.
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Recieved my frame last week and have started to build my LCFS918.
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Hello, has anyone verified that it is compatible with a 165×40 shock absorber? and another question, have you tried putting the remote up, facing the frame?
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Finished with my LCFS918. I really like the lines of the frame. The quality of the frame is as always with Light Carbon great. This was really a smooth build without problems. And the bike is light, size L about 12 KG.
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Hello, how high do you take the saddle? I carry the saddle at 74cms high, and because of the geometry, I wanted to look at a L size .
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Finished with my LCFS918. I really like the lines of the frame. The quality of the frame is as always with Light Carbon great. This was really a smooth build without problems. And the bike is light, size L about 12 KG.
Dammit that looks great, lol... Deore groupset?
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Nice build, Stefan! What stem do you use?
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(http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3764.0;attach=12699;image)
I have choosen the Deore driveline but with a SLX shifter. Its a bit heavier but the preformance is great and the price is resonable. I have gone for 11S to save a little weight.
Ram LCFS918 - Kolfiber
Storlek - Large
Framdämpare Rockshox Reba RL Solo Air 120 mm
Bakdämpare Rockshox Monarch RL Mid tune 165*38 mm
Vevparti Truvativ Stylo 6K 170 mm - 32T
Bakkrans Shimano Deore 11-51
Växelreglage Shimano SLX
Bakväxel Shimano Deore RD-M5100-SGS, 11S
Vevlager SRAM DUB BSA
Framhjul Mavic Crossmax 29" 25 mm inner widh Boost 15*110
Bakhjul Mavic Crossmax 29" 25 mm inner widh Boost 12*148
Bromsskivor Shimano SM-RT66 160/180 mm
Bromsar Shimano BR-MT500
Bromreglage BL-MT501
Däck Schwalbe Rocket Ron Performance Addix TLR 29x2.25
Styre LCFS Kolfiber 31.8 15 mm Rizer
Styrstam Katana X OS 55 mm
Styrlager LCFS
Handtag Nukeproof Horizon Race
Sadelstolpe Limotec 125 mm dropper
Sadel Nukeproof Vector AM
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Finished with my LCFS918. I really like the lines of the frame. The quality of the frame is as always with Light Carbon great. This was really a smooth build without problems. And the bike is light, size L about 12 KG.
Wow this bike looks really nice all built up. Can't wait to hear ride feedback. Also, how usable is that seatpost bottle cage?
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Finished with my LCFS918. I really like the lines of the frame. The quality of the frame is as always with Light Carbon great. This was really a smooth build without problems. And the bike is light, size L about 12 KG.
The fork is 100mm or 120mm?
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the fork is 120 mm.
The seat bottle cage can be used with a 50 cl bottle
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How does it fare in trail riding and uphill if you compare?. LCFS911
We have one in M size but can't compare because it's too small for me.
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Has anyone tried a 165x40 or 165x42.5 shock? does the frame support it?
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It's beautiful StefanB , size L, did you have the chance to weight the frame?
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It's beautiful StefanB , size L, did you have the chance to weight the frame?
Thank you :-)
No i did not check the weight of the frame.
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I have my frame and a in the process of building it up. Where are you guys getting spacers for the rear shock? I have 9mm on either side of the lower shock and I am not able to source anything. Should I just make my own?
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I have my frame and a in the process of building it up. Where are you guys getting spacers for the rear shock? I have 9mm on either side of the lower shock and I am not able to source anything. Should I just make my own?
Offsetbusings has what you need.
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https://www.offsetbushings.com/collections/frontpage/products/standard-bushing
Just send them the specs.
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On the fence about this frame.
Anyone with this built, can we get some feedback on how it rides and handles?
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https://www.offsetbushings.com/collections/frontpage/products/standard-bushing
Just send them the specs.
Awesome thank you. Just placed my order
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Finished with my LCFS918. I really like the lines of the frame. The quality of the frame is as always with Light Carbon great. This was really a smooth build without problems. And the bike is light, size L about 12 KG.
Hi Stefan, nice build! How does the rear suspension works? smooth or a bit hard? Thank you for your help.
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Hi Stefan, nice build! How does the rear suspension works? smooth or a bit hard? Thank you for your help.
Thank you :-)
I will not take the LCFS918 outside before spring. Here in Göteborg its only mud, snow and rain for the coming 3-4 months. So mid april im hoping to take the bike out on a dry trail.
(https://cdn.abicart.com/shop/images/193953951-origpic-4a3036/1785/art85/h3951/IMG_3281.jpg)
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It seems that another factory sells it, the question is which will be the famous brand?
2023 new suspension OEM famous brand 29--深圳市碳碳运动器材有限公司
http://tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=1075
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Who has one of these AND actually ridden it? I see some people have said they ordered a frame, pictures of builds but zero comments on ride quality.
Ho owns and rides this frame VS building it and just letting sit for months?
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Who has one of these AND actually ridden it? I see some people have said they ordered a frame, pictures of builds but zero comments on ride quality.
Ho owns and rides this frame VS building it and just letting sit for months?
You chose to make your first post an attack on the members of the forum b/c there isn't a review that meets your expectations?
Maybe spend some time researching geometry and suspension, those will tell you most of the story for any frame. After that, as with reviews anywhere, negative reviews will be more likely than positive so the lack of posts is a good sign, compared to the AM831 that has dozens of pages across multiple posts b/c of its issues.
It's a carbon frame from a reputable supplier. There's maybe a handful of members that have enough name brand frames and Chinese frames to make any meaningful conclusion from riding this one. Do you actually gain anything from some big brand review that says this frame is light, nimble, handles great, climbs well, descends like a brick? It's all subjective, and most reviews are paid, so what is it that you're expecting a random forum member to provide you here?
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You chose to make your first post an attack on the members of the forum b/c there isn't a review that meets your expectations?
Maybe spend some time researching geometry and suspension, those will tell you most of the story for any frame. After that, as with reviews anywhere, negative reviews will be more likely than positive so the lack of posts is a good sign, compared to the AM831 that has dozens of pages across multiple posts b/c of its issues.
It's a carbon frame from a reputable supplier. There's maybe a handful of members that have enough name brand frames and Chinese frames to make any meaningful conclusion from riding this one. Do you actually gain anything from some big brand review that says this frame is light, nimble, handles great, climbs well, descends like a brick? It's all subjective, and most reviews are paid, so what is it that you're expecting a random forum member to provide you here?
I didn't read ShaneW's first post as an attack at all. I have found the majority of the threads about a given frame lack information regarding how the frame actually rides/handles. I am still newer on the forum, and when I started reading some of the threads on many frame discussed here, I felt like I wasted many hours reading page after page of almost worthless comments, just to glean some good posts regarding how a given frame handles, or its manufacturing quality and many other details I was hoping to find, that I didn't find. (Primary example is the thread on the Carbona 909. 40 pages, 365 posts as of today, where after reading every post, i found only 6 posts regarding how the frame handles/rides.)
If I use myself as an example, I would be able to very well describe how any given road bike or gravel bike frame handles, but for other classes/types of frames, like full suspension mtb frames, I haven't ridden large enough of a variety of FS bikes to be able to provide a good review. Therefore I hoped to find good information on how discussed Chinese frames handle, but I have found this information lacking, or I have been unable find it.
Is this because most of us are not die hard riders, that only have limited experience riding a lot of different rides, or do all the bikes handle good enough that it isn't worth commenting about, because they meet the purchaser's/rider's expectations.
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If I use myself as an example, I would be able to very well describe how any given road bike or gravel bike frame handles, but for other classes/types of frames, like full suspension mtb frames, I haven't ridden large enough of a variety of FS bikes to be able to provide a good review. Therefore I hoped to find good information on how discussed Chinese frames handle, but I have found this information lacking, or I have been unable find it.
Is this because most of us are not die hard riders, that only have limited experience riding a lot of different rides, or do all the bikes handle good enough that it isn't worth commenting about, because they meet the purchaser's/rider's expectations.
My point is that some random person on the internet saying a bike handles well doesn't tell you anything. What is their background, where are they riding, what frames are they comparing to, what's the suspension setup, tire choice and pressure, what's their skill level, what are their expectations? Are you really going to be satisfied if someone posts "I got out for a ride today, bike handles great!"? Like I mentioned, there's a few members that have built multiple frames that could give any meaningful comparison, otherwise most seem to be coming from much older frames or are just getting back in to mountain biking, so what is their feedback on handling worth?
Most of the frames are using reasonable design choices for the geometry, with some being very close to modern industry designs. Pair that with how different suspension designs work and you'll have a pretty good starting point for how a frame will handle.
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I meant no attack on anyone. I worked in the US bike biz for over 25 years. I've sold thousands, built hundreds, and know my way through frame geo charts. I have a 918 on order as of Dec 1.
A ride review may have zero value- to you. I am intrigued in rider opinions of actually riding one.
I'm also not new to China sourced carbon frames. I have a Corbonda gravel rig and a 918 on order.
If you can provide feedback and opinions on the actual ride, I'd love to hear your thoughts. If you want to attack me for the question, you are of no help to me nor anyone else. Thanks for adding zero value to this thread.
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Also, Thank you Tijoe, and merry Christmas!
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My biggest issue is the -10 degree air temps and 2 ft of snow outside. i like to build over the winter and then in the spring i can get back outside. also, it has been tricky getting parts at a good price. Finally have all the items i need, now just need to find time to build it up.
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John at LightCarbon said my frame is getting painted and the wheelset I also ordered has been built. Should ship pretty soon.
I'm moving parts from my current ride to the 918 and have all the parts and pieces on hand and ready.
We just got 2 feet of snow too- fat bike time for sure! I'll build the new bike as time and weather permits and get at least a lap around the block in as soon as possible.
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Are you guys that have built their bikes up getting issues with the cables going through the headset? i am getting binding on the cables when i turn the bars. Also the inside of the top cap is really sharp and is scraping the cables. Did any one else have this issue and how did you solve it?
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My experience with this style of routing is limited to a few bikes I've seen on shop floors. It seems the extra slack that used to be between your brake and shifter is now in the frame. I think your housing/brake hose is too short possibly. You need some slack under the headset to allow for the fork rotation and soften the angle through the cable ports.
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I've used zip ties on the cable housings, under the headset, to give them slack. Like you, I would get the cables binding when turning the handlebars.
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I've received my frame after waiting 30+ days for paint. Building has been good and the only two issues so far are the paint around the cage bolts (not a big deal though) and the lack of space using a 36T chain ring. The specs say max 36T but it seems a little too close. Thoughts?
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@jefflinde and @vidlee, are your cables crossing after they exit the headset? I'm not sure what the protocol is or if its just aesthetics.
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This frame looks really promising. The "clearance" for 36T looks too small. The finishing issues are a bit disappointing, but very typical of these direct-sourced frames and should not really cause issue beyond annoyance.
If I had not already bought a bike, this is probably the frame I would go with. A bunch of neat features and a good weight.
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I've used zip ties on the cable housings, under the headset, to give them slack. Like you, I would get the cables binding when turning the handlebars.
Can you share more info on how you used zip ties to provide the slack needed under headset? Also- since the access ports rotate with the fork/ handlebars, does it matter which side you use? Example- I will only be running shift and rear brake housings, so would I want to use the right hand side then?
Thanks!
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@jefflinde and @vidlee, are your cables crossing after they exit the headset? I'm not sure what the protocol is or if its just aesthetics.
I have tried both ways. right now I have my right side controls going in the right side hole and left to left. if I push the cables into the headset to provide the slack inside the frame they only stay for a bit and then pop back out. once they pop out they bind the next time I turn.
More info on the zip tie solution would be great. I was thinking of pushing them into the frame and then zip-tieing them in place.
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I sent an email to John at LightCarbon yesterday asking if he had any tech info on the proper method of routing or securing the cables as some owners have experienced binding, etc.
He said he had not heard of this and would like a video to forward to the R&D people. If anyone can take a quick video and forward it to LightCarbon, they might provide a solution.
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I'm running AXS setup so I don't have much running through the headset. Only the shock lockout and rear brake is routed within the frame. That being said, YMMV.
Here is my housing routing:
(https://i.imgur.com/5p2ytd8l.jpg)
Under the headset I have zip ties that stops the housing from being fed all the way out back to the top:
(https://i.imgur.com/iJRyWCpl.jpg)
Another view- the zip tie stops provides enough slack, within the frame, to prevent binding when the handle bar is turned either way.
(https://i.imgur.com/2X62swxl.jpg)
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Thanks so much for the details and photos! So no seal or grommet around the cable ports?
Maybe some heat shrink tube to protect the hose and housing might help a bit.
I saw a cable route headset by Token Technology that had a cutaway of a frame with fork and they had a zip tie around the headtube securing the control lines.
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What rear shock and lockout are u using. I'm super interested in this build
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What rear shock and lockout are u using. I'm super interested in this build
I have a RockShox Monarch RL waiting for my frame to arrive.
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Finished building. It's a few hairs under 26lbs (11.79kg). Planning to ride soon, will report back.
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That looks 8). Very interested to hear how it rides as I think about upgrading from Airwolf 026 to full suspension for this year.
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Went for the maiden voyage night ride. 8.69 miles (13.98km), 1,103 ft (336.19m), 1hour moving time, 1hour 20min elapsed time (had to made bike adjustments, take fotos and some street crossings). Maiden ride was mostly climbing and XC.
My local trails are XC and my background has been XC. My previous, most used, bike is a BXT hard tail (carbon) and I also have an old Kona Hei Hei (FS alloy).
The LC 918 is my first modern geo bike and even though I've had one ride, it was a blast and I'm looking forward to riding it more. I was surprised how well it climbed and its efficiency. It's not a hard tail, but it's no slouch and well worth the trade off for FS comfort and handling.
I don't have regrets yet and will keep posted in the future.
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Finished building. It's a few hairs under 26lbs (11.79kg).
That's great, what size is it? Any trouble with cable routing?
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That's great, what size is it? Any trouble with cable routing?
Size medium and I did not have troubles with cable routing. I did not use zip ties under the headset and I don't have any binding.
The only housings I'm running through the heatset are the dropper and brake.
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My 918 frame and carbon wheelset shipped last week! Time to tear down the parts donor bike and clean thing up. Mostly XO1 drive and a 110mm SID.
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My 918 frame and carbon wheelset shipped last week! Time to tear down the parts donor bike and clean thing up. Mostly XO1 drive and a 110mm SID.
Hi! New on the forum. I'm looking to build a new xc marathon bike that is slightly slacker than my current scalpel that has a head tube angle of about 71 degrees ::). Love this frame and also the FM909/FM1206.
Great seeing all the amazing builds and technical knowledge here.
What wheels did you settle on ShaneW?
Cheers
Christoff
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I was considering a 918 as well, mainly due to the 2 Bottle cages, however i went for the 917. and i have to say: no regrets here! Quality good, 120mm travel, remote is well solved with a hole in the frame. 11kg w/o pedals is nice too. I combined it with their handlebar AM12 (didnt trust the integrated cc bar as i am a little on the heavier side. Also here, nice product.
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Make sure you triple check the torque on the lower shock bolts.
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Hi! New on the forum. I'm looking to build a new xc marathon bike that is slightly slacker than my current scalpel that has a head tube angle of about 71 degrees ::). Love this frame and also the FM909/FM1206.
Great seeing all the amazing builds and technical knowledge here.
What wheels did you settle on ShaneW?
Cheers
Christoff
I went with LC's "Cheap" carbon wheels- 87MB-MC932GP-1423 Their 87 generic straight pull hubs with 932 graphene rims and bladed pillar spokes. Total weight on a laboratory analytical scale: 1445.5 grams. They look awesome with the "dimpled" rims! Taping was easy and they set up tubeless without issues.
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So my frame and wheelset arrived and I have been doing the slow build this week! Ill share a photos later. Frame notes first:
Size Large painted glossy Pantone 624C. Paint is fantastic, not a chip or miss anywhere and the color is perfect.
Seatpost fit is pretty sloppy. Seems a tad over 31.6 mm seat tube bore.I will try a different post, as this fit is with an ebay carbon. I might have to insert a shim of a couple thousandths of an inch to fix this.
Rear Dropout Spacing is a little wide by 3 or 4 mm. Axle pulls gap closed just fine and tightens to torque without issue.
Shock install was no issue and fit perfect.
Left Bottom Bracket threads were a bit of a challenge. I should have chased the threads with a tap but was able to get the cup in straight using the crank axle as a guide and press using an old BB cup and some oil first.
Chainring Clearance: I run a 34t WolfTooth Oval and it clears the lower stay just fine. Not sure on a 36 round, 36 oval would not clear it.
Headset: There is nothing in mountain bikes more stupid than running cables and hoses through the top of the headset. Aesthetic value is Zero. A sharp radius is created in the shift cable hosing to get under my handlebars and to the shifter. I am running only shift and rear brake though the frame. I have one 10mm spacer under my stem. I started with both exiting on the right, toward my shifter and brake lever but that seemed too tight of bend, now have them on the left.
Those that have built one of these- What side did you end up running your right hand controls on?
Cable routing through the frame was nice and smooth with no issues. I did slide foam damper tubes over both inside the main triangle. Headset fitment is nice. I do wish it had 1-1/8th inch upper and normal cable routes exiting on the side for smoother lines and cable actuation though.
Rear brake hose rote is odd, but works. Brake mount will not fit on chain stay location so has to be on upper. I ran brake inside stays and over to the shimano banjo bolt on the outside of the XT brake.
Bottle cage threads are aligned and clean. Large frame size has mounting for 2 bottle cages. The seat tube location WILL fit a cage, BUT a small/ 21oz bottle will never fit. This would be a good spot for storage in a cage or using a strap like WolfTooth offers instead of H2O.
Oh, did I mention how f#cking stupid 'through headset' cable routing is??
That is all for now!
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Thanx for the great update!
+1 on those headsets
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Hi. I am interested in this frame. Quick question. Does it use the universal derailleur hanger or some specific one? Maybe a canyon copy?
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Hi. I am interested in this frame. Quick question. Does it use the universal derailleur hanger or some specific one? Maybe a canyon copy?
I ordered a spare with my frame. It is not a universal.
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Anyone use 165*45 shock on this frame? any problem?
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Anyone use 165*45 shock on this frame? any problem?
I went with the recommended 38mm stroke. I bought this specifically for the 110mm rear travel. Had I wanted more, there are plenty of frame options out there without resorting to trying an out of spec shock length.
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Anyone use 165*45 shock on this frame? any problem?
I went with the standard 38mm shock as well and I would guess that you would run into seat tube clearance issues with a longer stroke shock. You would be getting over 120mm of travel and I don’t think the frame can clear that. Would look at the lcfs958 if you want more travel. I have that frame as well and it is an awesome mid travel frame. It builds up pretty light as well. I am right around 26lbs with 130/130 and an XT build
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Has anyone been able to build a really light weight version of this bike? I have a beefier trek fuel ex but I want a lighter xc race bike.
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Has anyone been able to build a really light weight version of this bike? I have a beefier trek fuel ex but I want a lighter xc race bike.
Not sure how light "really light" is to you but I have a decently light bike at 24.8 lbs. it currently has alloy wheels and tubes as I wait for my carbon wheels to be finished. currently I have a SR Suntour 34mm fork and shock, XT drive train, XTR brakes and rotors and then carbon bar and seat post. the wheels will loose about 500g and I could probably take another 100-150 if i went to a Fox SC fork in the 32mm. I also have the PRO Tharsis Bar and stem which are a bit portly. the stem is 160g and bars are like 170 i think. Going to an Uno kalloy stem and some flat carbon bars would take another 80-100g off of the total there. I did go with the ZTTO 12 spd cassette. it is crazy light and machined from one piece. lighter than XTR i think and mounts as one big chunk instead of individual cogs and spacers.
i think if you tried and had deepish pockets you could get into the 22 lbs range pretty easily. wheels and tires will be a big factor as will fork choice.
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Finally not -10° outside so I can get a pic.
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For anyone running AXS/a single brake hose internally, have you found a solution for filling the other holes in the headset cover?
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Has anyone been able to build a really light weight version of this bike? I have a beefier trek fuel ex but I want a lighter xc race bike.
Im at 24.75 lbs. Not sure how the other guy got the sane weight with a bunch of aluminum parts. My build is SiD fork, XO1 mechanical w carbon cranks, Light Carbon wheelset at 1445 grams, generic carbon bars and seat post. I'm at 24.75 size large, one bottle cage, wahoo computer and mount and pedals of course.
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Anyone use 165*45 shock on this frame? any problem?
This frame is uses standard mount shocks. All the 165*45 I've seen are trunnion mount.
I've compressed the frame without the shock and there's still some room before the tire will hit the seat tube. I suppose if you can find a 165*45 in standard mount it will likely work.
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For anyone running AXS/a single brake hose internally, have you found a solution for filling the other holes in the headset cover?
I'm running AXS and have two housings into the headset (brake and dropper). I haven't plugged the gaps and haven't developed dust issues, but black silicone caulk will fill the excess gap.
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Hi. I am interested in this frame. Quick question. Does it use the universal derailleur hanger or some specific one? Maybe a canyon copy?
I'm fairly certain it uses a universal derailleur hanger (UDH).
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Im at 24.75 lbs. Not sure how the other guy got the sane weight with a bunch of aluminum parts. My build is SiD fork, XO1 mechanical w carbon cranks, Light Carbon wheelset at 1445 grams, generic carbon bars and seat post. I'm at 24.75 size large, one bottle cage, wahoo computer and mount and pedals of course.
Tires? Depending on what tires I use, they can add or remove close to 2 pounds on a mountain bike. I removed 2 pound off my Carbon Spycycle hardtail when I put on narrower tires. Went from 21.5 lbs to 19.5 pounds.
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Im at 24.75 lbs. Not sure how the other guy got the sane weight with a bunch of aluminum parts. My build is SiD fork, XO1 mechanical w carbon cranks, Light Carbon wheelset at 1445 grams, generic carbon bars and seat post. I'm at 24.75 size large, one bottle cage, wahoo computer and mount and pedals of course.
i will re-weigh it once i get a new scale. you have me very curious now. XO1 seems to loose a lot of the weight in the cassette vs shimano and i have a super light ZTTO cassette installed. it is XX1 territory for weight. i have XTR brakes and the XT cranks are not that much heavier than X01 as well. plus i am running 2.25 tires that are pretty XC oriented.
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I do have 2.35 tires tubeless, but sub 600 grams ea. GX cassette too so there is 100g. I do have Stylo carbon Cranks. I'm 24.75 # with xt spd pedals, bottle cage and wahoo computer.
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I do have 2.35 tires tubeless, but sub 600 grams ea. GX cassette too so there is 100g. I do have Stylo carbon Cranks. I'm 24.75 # with xt spd pedals, bottle cage and wahoo computer.
So I re-weighed my bike with pedals, bottle cage and a lezyne pump and I am at 25.66lbs. I think the 24.** weight was no pedals, pump or bottle cages.
On another note, I finally received the spokes for the wheel build. using the venfort hubs and light carbons graphene XC rims, I am looking to loose 2.2 lbs over the existing wheelset. part of that is going to the ridenow ultralight tubes. I am pretty much over the whole tubeless scene as we don't have thorns or sharp rocks in my neck of the woods so puncture protection is pretty useless for me. Once I get it all build up I will post an official unofficial weight.
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Wheels are built and everything is ready to ride. Total weight is 23.5lbs. The light carbon graphene rims make for some seriously light weight wheels. Together with Pilar spokes and the Venfort hubs I am at about 1270g. Super happy with this build.
Best grams/$$$$ upgrade has to be all the titanium bolts. Hahahahaha. I know it is a waste but it is also the most fun part of any bike build.
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LCFS918 frame can use the newest SRAM Eagle Transmission/ XX Eagle directly. or use the UDH hanger for other groupset,
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http://tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=1075
Is this frame the same of LightCarbon LCFS918?
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http://tantancycling.com/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=1075
Is this frame the same of LightCarbon LCFS918?
Yes
I contacted him through AliExpress to ask about the frame and this is what he answered:
FM061 frame We are not retailing on AliExpress.
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I'm seriously considering this frame for a new build but have not found any sizing guidance. I'm 5'11" (179.5 cm) tall 32" (81.25cm) inseem, what size would I order?
Thanks
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Wheels are built and everything is ready to ride. Total weight is 23.5lbs. The light carbon graphene rims make for some seriously light weight wheels. Together with Pilar spokes and the Venfort hubs I am at about 1270g. Super happy with this build.
Best grams/$$$$ upgrade has to be all the titanium bolts. Hahahahaha. I know it is a waste but it is also the most fun part of any bike build.
Could you tell me the height of the saddle?
I need about 79cm or 80cm
thanks
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I'm seriously considering this frame for a new build but have not found any sizing guidance. I'm 5'11" (179.5 cm) tall 32" (81.25cm) inseem, what size would I order?
Thanks
I am 6ft with a 32.5-33 inseam and I am riding the large frame. Seems to fit very well. Don't have a ton of seat time yet but so far it's good.
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Could you tell me the height of the saddle?
I need about 79cm or 80cm
thanks
I run 790mm from BB center to top of saddle. Not sure if I had it set in my pictures to exactly that but I do now. I tuna 400mm seat post and I have a bout 4-5cm of seat post in the frame before I hit the min insert line.
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So I figured after reading everyone’s builds and comments before deciding on the 918. Now I have built up mine and had the first ride I thought I would add my feedback.
Main reason I opted for the 918 over the other similar frames was for the 2 bottle bosses and conversations with Jim Lee gave me the most confidence since it’s my first china build.
Build.
918 in medium, I had planned on painting but the finish is so nice I’ve left for now and will paint maybe in winter. Rockshox monarch rear shock midtune.
Wheels- light carbon 30mm xc rims graphine with dtswiss 350hubs
I opted for the xc bar/stem in 70mm for the internal cable routing
Light carbon zero offset seat post
Sid select 120mm 44mm offset
Full XT groupset and brakes, I opted to wax the chain as it’s great on my training bike though it’s the first time on a MTB in the uk so we shall see. Also my only bugbear with the build is I had to buy yet another bb tool as XT is yet another standard…..why?!!!!
No issues with the build itself, frame and components all went together perfectly I did have a spacer missing (I got two external routing kits) from LC but in fairness Jim Lee sorted so it didn’t hold the build up as the wheels were due a week or so after the frame anyway, bb alignment was fine and I didn’t need to chase out threads. Seat post and frame figment seems spot on. I was worried about the headset into bar routing being a nightmare, yes it was more of a pain than external but I think it’s worth it based looks etc and as a bonus you have no issues with cables pulling that others have mentioned. I did opt to add the silicone cable housing to stop rattles.
Build without pedals but with Fidlock bottle cages and comp mount etc came to 10.5kg on a set of calibrated scales from work. Very pleased, I did weigh the frame before build and it was 1.9kg so right on the light carbon spec. Really impressed as there’s plenty of savings available if you went weight weenie with deep pockets for sub 10kg.
First ride was a 40km local xc/trail ride around 800m climbing, bit of everything really, with 18kph average with afew stops.
Ride was abit of a surprise actually, first time for me on flex stays and I was expecting a slightly harsh ride, the suspension is actually quite active not intrusive or enough to notice but it actually deals with the little stuff well, I don’t like faffing with lock out is why I didn’t bother with RL. Climbing wise the bike is good based on Strava times but feel wise it felt similar to my old xc bike but it was definitely faster for the effort on times, where it really shines is out of the saddle, the thing really leaps forward, I will definitely spend more time out of the saddle as it’s addictively fast. Hard to know whether this is down to the wheels or frame but again based purely on both feel very stiff.
Handling and descending was the main shock, I’m coming from old school 130mm xc marathon bike with steep angles for reference but I would describe the handling as “stable”, it will be very confidence inspiring I think once I’m used to it but you definitely need to move about and think about weight distribution more on fast flowing single track but it is rapid when you get it right, some of that maybe down to the 44mm offset forks but the Sids forks are brilliant, super stiff and bendy forks are a massive bug bear for me. My biggest take away is the bike fast smooth and absolutely silent, the second is important to me but I guess maybe not for everyone.
First ride wasn’t without incident and things to work on to add some realism.
I did have a couple of seatpost slips, even with carbon paste, nothing drastic but enough that I stopped to put back, the specs don’t specify the nm of the bolt so I started off on the low side 3nm and have gone up to around 5nm.
Front fork is too hard so going to adjust that down, I’m on 20%sag but it feels too hard.
Using Vitoria mezcals front and rear, front tyres again too hard. I previously rode Conti race kings and the Vitorias are so much better in my opinion but the side walls feel stiffer so I can run lower pressures.
Biggest problem was the comp mount only has one fixing and it came loose twice, rrd two the mount actually fell off, luckily no harm done other than a screen protector doing it’s job but I think a healthy dose of thread-lock.
Bottle boss for 2nd bottle is perfect for my purpose but it’s only suitable for a 500ml in a medium. Main frame could definitely go 800ml.
I didn’t opt for a dropper as I have used and fitted on the old bike but never felt the need really, but if your building this bike i would suggest it’s probably a must, I’m confident/stupid enough to be behind the saddle but you have to be in a precarious position without the dropper for whatever reason with angles on this frame.
Bar/stem is very very stiff which isn’t
a bad thing as such but if your sensitive to vibration it’s not for you, I use soft silicone xc grips but still got alittle of the buzz at the bars, hoping fork/tyre combo tweaks can help. Also the internal routing is perfect for one hose but is a little tight at the bar opening so I am interested to see how easy the cable routing will be if I opt for a dropper. Maybe a good excuse for an axs if I can ever justify the cost.
Rear shock is standard mid tune, I think I will end up re-valving to high compression as to sit on the 20% I’m a over 200psi and I’m not exactly a big guy. Nothing wrong with that but I prefer to run lower pressure.
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Nice build, Peak district XC and thanks for the thorough write up.
I really want to build one of these, but can't really justify it due to the overlap with my Spark. But this thing looks solid and has a lot of neat features.
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hi guys, do you know if this frame has standard UDH or not?
Sorry answer was on previous page
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I just tried installing a XX SL transmission derailleur on my frame and it's NO GO. The bushing does not fit (opening diameter too small) and the the hanger physically cannot be placed in to the frame with the hanger removed. I'm guessing they did a change up of the hanger middle of production. If your dropout looks like mine, SRAM transmission will not work for your bike.
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I just tried installing a XX SL transmission derailleur on my frame and it's NO GO. ...
Did it come with a UDH mounted on it ?
Did you contact them about this issue ?
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What options are there for standard shocks 165x38? So far I am aware of the Monarch and DPS.
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What options are there for standard shocks 165x38? So far I am aware of the Monarch and DPS.
I was briefly considering this frame and was curious about the lack of 165x38mm shocks as well. It turns out they are using the older Imperial measurements of 6.5in x 1.5in and just calling it metric. This should give you a lot more options when searching for shocks.
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Do you know if there will be a 919 soon?
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hey! I have already recieve the frame. Everything is great. I am greatly surprise about this brand.
I am new building mtb and I have a question that maybe you could answer me.
I am looking for a rear shock and I see that the 918 has a mount 165*38mm. Otherwise, I see many options in 165*37.5mm, but I am not sure if this measurement would fit the frame. I have already got a reba rl 120mm.
The only model with 165*38 I have found it is Rockshox Monarch.
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I've found;
Fox Float for $$$
https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/fox-float-dps-factory-rear-shock-standard-6-5-x-1-5-evol-sv-3-position-lever-kashima-coat?variant=39495996506234¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOoryUVTeBYk0IVq4mVmQXktnVFrH_ToNxfa2s7xvAOy_bu4idnrEh1E (https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/fox-float-dps-factory-rear-shock-standard-6-5-x-1-5-evol-sv-3-position-lever-kashima-coat?variant=39495996506234¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOoryUVTeBYk0IVq4mVmQXktnVFrH_ToNxfa2s7xvAOy_bu4idnrEh1E)
Suntour Raidon for less $
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144369890662 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/144369890662)
hey! I have already recieve the frame. Everything is great. I am greatly surprise about this brand.
I am new building mtb and I have a question that maybe you could answer me.
I am looking for a rear shock and I see that the 918 has a mount 165*38mm. Otherwise, I see many options in 165*37.5mm, but I am not sure if this measurement would fit the frame. I have already got a reba rl 120mm.
The only model with 165*38 I have found it is Rockshox Monarch.
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hey! I have already recieve the frame. Everything is great. I am greatly surprise about this brand.
I am new building mtb and I have a question that maybe you could answer me.
I am looking for a rear shock and I see that the 918 has a mount 165*38mm. Otherwise, I see many options in 165*37.5mm, but I am not sure if this measurement would fit the frame. I have already got a reba rl 120mm.
The only model with 165*38 I have found it is Rockshox Monarch.
Your question is answered literally two posts above. You need to look for 6.5in x 1.5in standard mount shocks
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I run 790mm from BB center to top of saddle. Not sure if I had it set in my pictures to exactly that but
Jeff I see you installed the suntour edge lor , how is it ? Any trouble with the bashing kit?
Thx
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I found this frame from a local dealer. But it has a different rocker. The shock connection is on single pivot with the rocker and rear triangle. Size of the shock is then longer, maybe 190mm.
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I found this frame from a local dealer. But it has a different rocker. The shock connection is on single pivot with the rocker and rear triangle. Size of the shock is then longer, maybe 190mm.
very nice and neat, i also believe the weakest point of 918 is the 165x38 ammo, well, also the weight can be improved...
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Jeff I see you installed the suntour edge lor , how is it ? Any trouble with the bashing kit?
Thx
Sorry for the late reply. No I have had no issues with the bushings or anything really. The shock is a bit noisier than a fox but I have gotten used to it and only ever noticed when just plodding along and thinking about it.
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Did it come with a UDH mounted on it ?
Did you contact them about this issue ?
Versions before 2023 are non-UDH hanger, and all versions applicable from 2023 with UDH hanger, and you can install sram eagle transmission directly.
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Im curious about the 917. Almost a year on how has it been for you?
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Undecided between this and the 917 (aka 919). I like the idea of two bottle cages. I want to use parts from a donor bike and hoping to transfer across.
Do you think this can run a 130mm fork and a 120mm shock?
Also will a SRAM NX X Sync ring with 30T boost 3mm offset work with this BB (sorry I am noob with this)
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I just finished a Light carbon 918, with shimano xt. Excellent frame
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Undecided between this and the 917 (aka 919). I like the idea of two bottle cages. I want to use parts from a donor bike and hoping to transfer across.
Do you think this can run a 130mm fork and a 120mm shock?
Also will a SRAM NX X Sync ring with 30T boost 3mm offset work with this BB (sorry I am noob with this)
the fork will be fine, the shock needs to be the correct length and stroke, so most likely not. and the crank will be fine. you may need a new BB depending on what your donor bike had for BB shell.
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I'm looking to also build a LCFS918 MTB but I have some concerns (as it is my first build), I weigh 105 kg will the frame (size L) hold my weight doing small jumps?
Should I buy Lightcarbon rims or shoud I buy brand ones locally for the service when something breaks (Belgium)?
What is the wait time for european deliveries (estimate)?
I really like some of the builds I see around here nice work everyone.
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I'm looking to also build a LCFS918 MTB but I have some concerns (as it is my first build), I weigh 105 kg will the frame (size L) hold my weight doing small jumps?
Should I buy Lightcarbon rims or shoud I buy brand ones locally for the service when something breaks (Belgium)?
What is the wait time for european deliveries (estimate)?
I really like some of the builds I see around here nice work everyone.
I am 102kg and ride the large. I have not had any issues. I do run my shock pretty close to max psi but that is with all my bikes. I road a different open mold frame for 5 yrs before this with no issue either. As for the wheels, light carbon will be just fine as far as the weight is concerned. As for servicing, any shop should be able to replace a spoke if you were to break one but nothing about LC wheels or any other open mold companies wheels would increase that likelihood.
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I'm looking to also build a LCFS918 MTB but I have some concerns (as it is my first build), I weigh 105 kg will the frame (size L) hold my weight doing small jumps?
Should I buy Lightcarbon rims or shoud I buy brand ones locally for the service when something breaks (Belgium)?
What is the wait time for european deliveries (estimate)?
I really like some of the builds I see around here nice work everyone.
105kgs weight is no problem
Gte it from our cooperator in BE or CH, or get it from us in china, it's according the price you can accept, get it from BE and CH price is higher, but ,You can ride your bike to the shop when something goes wrong,
The warranty policy is the same. In addition, if parts need to be replaced, they need to be replaced from China.
The delivery time is also the same, because if you order in Europe, they usually need to complete the manufacturing in China and then transport it to Europe. They don’t keep much inventory.
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Ordered my frame a few days ago with the AD930-XC rims will put updates on my build as soon as it arrives.
Can you use car spray paint to paint the raw Carbon (wait with paint was to long)?
I would mount SRAM XO transmission any review about this combo?
Regards
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I enquired recently and still no plan to make an extra large size. A shame, as it looks nice!
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Ordered my frame a few days ago with the AD930-XC rims will put updates on my build as soon as it arrives.
Can you use car spray paint to paint the raw Carbon (wait with paint was to long)?
I would mount SRAM XO transmission any review about this combo?
Regards
You can use car paint for spray painting, but it will discolor and fade over time. The reason why our spray painting takes a long time is because there are many steps. It requires three different layers of spray paint. Each time, you need to wait for the paint to dry and smooth, and finally Spray a nearly transparent protective paint on the outside.
In this post, an Italian rider uses our frame LCFS918 to install SRAM XO transmission.
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Started working on my build this weekend but I snapped of a bolt on the hinge part 1 of the short M8 screws with max 13 NM.
The head snapped of whilst thightening on 10 nm.
Regards
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Are enduro brand bearings pre-installed as they suggest on LC website?
And do they seem easily to reach in case of servicing?
The main pivot bearings of my cube stereo pro must be pulled and are put in sets of two without a possibility to get behind them. This makes servicing very difficult.
How is this engineered on this frame?
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So I figured after reading everyone’s builds and comments before deciding on the 918. Now I have built up mine and had the first ride I thought I would add my feedback.
Main reason I opted for the 918 over the other similar frames was for the 2 bottle bosses and conversations with Jim Lee gave me the most confidence since it’s my first china build.
Build.
918 in medium, I had planned on painting but the finish is so nice I’ve left for now and will paint maybe in winter. Rockshox monarch rear shock midtune.
Wheels- light carbon 30mm xc rims graphine with dtswiss 350hubs
I opted for the xc bar/stem in 70mm for the internal cable routing
Light carbon zero offset seat post
Sid select 120mm 44mm offset
Full XT groupset and brakes, I opted to wax the chain as it’s great on my training bike though it’s the first time on a MTB in the uk so we shall see. Also my only bugbear with the build is I had to buy yet another bb tool as XT is yet another standard…..why?!!!!
No issues with the build itself, frame and components all went together perfectly I did have a spacer missing (I got two external routing kits) from LC but in fairness Jim Lee sorted so it didn’t hold the build up as the wheels were due a week or so after the frame anyway, bb alignment was fine and I didn’t need to chase out threads. Seat post and frame figment seems spot on. I was worried about the headset into bar routing being a nightmare, yes it was more of a pain than external but I think it’s worth it based looks etc and as a bonus you have no issues with cables pulling that others have mentioned. I did opt to add the silicone cable housing to stop rattles.
Build without pedals but with Fidlock bottle cages and comp mount etc came to 10.5kg on a set of calibrated scales from work. Very pleased, I did weigh the frame before build and it was 1.9kg so right on the light carbon spec. Really impressed as there’s plenty of savings available if you went weight weenie with deep pockets for sub 10kg.
First ride was a 40km local xc/trail ride around 800m climbing, bit of everything really, with 18kph average with afew stops.
Ride was abit of a surprise actually, first time for me on flex stays and I was expecting a slightly harsh ride, the suspension is actually quite active not intrusive or enough to notice but it actually deals with the little stuff well, I don’t like faffing with lock out is why I didn’t bother with RL. Climbing wise the bike is good based on Strava times but feel wise it felt similar to my old xc bike but it was definitely faster for the effort on times, where it really shines is out of the saddle, the thing really leaps forward, I will definitely spend more time out of the saddle as it’s addictively fast. Hard to know whether this is down to the wheels or frame but again based purely on both feel very stiff.
Handling and descending was the main shock, I’m coming from old school 130mm xc marathon bike with steep angles for reference but I would describe the handling as “stable”, it will be very confidence inspiring I think once I’m used to it but you definitely need to move about and think about weight distribution more on fast flowing single track but it is rapid when you get it right, some of that maybe down to the 44mm offset forks but the Sids forks are brilliant, super stiff and bendy forks are a massive bug bear for me. My biggest take away is the bike fast smooth and absolutely silent, the second is important to me but I guess maybe not for everyone.
First ride wasn’t without incident and things to work on to add some realism.
I did have a couple of seatpost slips, even with carbon paste, nothing drastic but enough that I stopped to put back, the specs don’t specify the nm of the bolt so I started off on the low side 3nm and have gone up to around 5nm.
Front fork is too hard so going to adjust that down, I’m on 20%sag but it feels too hard.
Using Vitoria mezcals front and rear, front tyres again too hard. I previously rode Conti race kings and the Vitorias are so much better in my opinion but the side walls feel stiffer so I can run lower pressures.
Biggest problem was the comp mount only has one fixing and it came loose twice, rrd two the mount actually fell off, luckily no harm done other than a screen protector doing it’s job but I think a healthy dose of thread-lock.
Bottle boss for 2nd bottle is perfect for my purpose but it’s only suitable for a 500ml in a medium. Main frame could definitely go 800ml.
I didn’t opt for a dropper as I have used and fitted on the old bike but never felt the need really, but if your building this bike i would suggest it’s probably a must, I’m confident/stupid enough to be behind the saddle but you have to be in a precarious position without the dropper for whatever reason with angles on this frame.
Bar/stem is very very stiff which isn’t
a bad thing as such but if your sensitive to vibration it’s not for you, I use soft silicone xc grips but still got alittle of the buzz at the bars, hoping fork/tyre combo tweaks can help. Also the internal routing is perfect for one hose but is a little tight at the bar opening so I am interested to see how easy the cable routing will be if I opt for a dropper. Maybe a good excuse for an axs if I can ever justify the cost.
Rear shock is standard mid tune, I think I will end up re-valving to high compression as to sit on the 20% I’m a over 200psi and I’m not exactly a big guy. Nothing wrong with that but I prefer to run lower pressure.
Thanks for your thorough info. Did you get the XC14 integrated bar? What's your opinion on the neg. stem angle or is this compensated by spacers and rise-angle?
Considering the integrated cable routing; when steering, does the slack cable go in and out the frame through the headset opening?
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I am looking for a rear shock and I see that the 918 has a mount 165*38mm. Otherwise, I see many options in 165*37.5mm, but I am not sure if this measurement would fit the frame. I have already got a reba rl 120mm.
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I ordered the frame as well. I think 165*37.5 mm metric options will work as well. The eye to eye length is the same. It only give you 0.5 mm less travel which is around 1% of total travel less compared to 38mm and will not be a noticeable difference.
Or am I missing something?
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Hi ChristEr
I did get the XC14 bars in 70mm, it’s not too aggressive with stem spacers puts but mines set up as xc marathon bike, depends on usage and if you’re used to that position you still get some adjustment but nothing like with separate bar/stem. I wouldn’t swap back as pros are worth it but the buzz and stiffness is noticeable.
Integrated bars/cable works amazing, you’d never know they run through the bars by feel etc no extra weight in the steering or binding. There isn’t much slack needed in the system though with the routing down the bars in my case and between the bearings, as the lengths are pretty fixed as you don’t need too much extra at the front for bar movement. I suspect it would be more of an issue with the top cap style depending on the angle entering etc as you’d need to allow more hose/outer housing. With the integrated bars you do lose some steering angle compared to the headset cap but this would only really affect you turning the bars beyond anything like normal.
Over 1000km on the bike now and really pleased with the bike.