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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: jefflinde on February 18, 2023, 01:03:25 PM
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With the dawn of electronic group sets taking over, the curmudgeon in me wanted to add an analog road bike to the stable. i was surfing the web and came across some close out deals on the last great Dura Ace group set, the 9100. i figured i better snap them up while i could before they become collectable antiques, hahaha. next was finding a bike frame that i could have a rim brake version and disc version which is identical or very similar geometry. the 066 is nice in the fact that it offers both rim and disc version. here is the build list with pics and weights.
Frame/fork - Velobuild VB-R-066 size L 1021g (with hanger and FD mount, no headset, seat post binder or bottle mount bolts) fork 347g (uncut)
headset - 90g
handlebars - PRO PLT Ergo 46cm - 294g
bar tape - PRO sport control - 94g
Stem spacers/top cap PRO - 23g
Stem - Uno 7 - 92g
seat post - velobuild 20mm set back - 200g
shifter - R9100 - 397
RD R9100 - 160g
FD R9100 - 71g
Crankset R9100 (w/ ZRACE rings) - 662g
BB R9100 - 57g
Pedals R9100 - 233g
Brakes Fake EE G4's - 206g (pair w/ pads)
Saddle PRO Stealth - 165
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Still waiting for the wheels to show up. went with some Aliexpress light weight ones. should be around 1350g. Also waiting to sort out what tires to run. the frame is listed as able to clear a 25mm tire but i am thinking that 28 or even 30mm tires will fit. new wheels are 25mm wide so dont want to find out the hard way that 30mm wont fit when on the wider wheels.
more pics to come as i get it built up.
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I’ll be watching your thread with keen interest, as I’m sort of in the same boat.
Geometry wise, the velobuild 066 / Canyon Endurace are a perfect fit for me and my style of cycling. I was originally going to go for an endurace, but they have stopped doing a rim break version on the carbon version, so eying up the 066. I would be wanting to transplant components over from current road bike (running 28 tyres), so hoping they will fit!
If I like the rim 066 and don’t have any issues, was thinking about also getting the disc version and selling off my hybrid (which is disc). Alternatively, potentially get a used disc canyon to go with the rim 066.
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Couple more parts came in. swapped out the standard expander plug for the ebay ultralight special at just 11.4g. Also threw on a pair of ultegra wheels so see how it look with some Bontrager 28c tires that measure 26.2mm. these rims are really narrow at 22mm outside. the rear has about 6-7mm on either side at the chain stays and about 5-6mm at the front of the tire. I think that 28mm tires will fit on my soon to arrive 25mm wheels and i hope i can get some 30mm tires in there. the front has about 5-6mm all the way around.
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One more thing i found, ridenow tubes are about 1/2 the price of tubolito or Schwalbe etc. and are super light. i hate tubeless as it is a pain in the ass and i am not racing or riding on glass. so an ultralight tube for me is much better. under $20 and weigh 32g. definitely going to be giving these a go this summer. once i bought these i saw they actually make a 18-28c tube that is 24g. those will be on the slow boat soon.
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28mm GP5000s on 19mm inner width rims fit with ample room on my OG Evkin CF-025 which appears to be from the same mold.
Btw, with a little modification a Wheels Manufacturing Dropout Hanger 362 will fit and gives the option of direct mounting Shimano derailleurs.
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Couple more parts came in. swapped out the standard expander plug for the ebay ultralight special at just 11.4g. Also threw on a pair of ultegra wheels so see how it look with some Bontrager 28c tires that measure 26.2mm. these rims are really narrow at 22mm outside. the rear has about 6-7mm on either side at the chain stays and about 5-6mm at the front of the tire. I think that 28mm tires will fit on my soon to arrive 25mm wheels and i hope i can get some 30mm tires in there. the front has about 5-6mm all the way around.
Thanks for sharing. Out of interest, are you aiming to get the bike under a certain weight? Good to see 28s comfortably fit btw, I’ll definitely be pulling the trigger.
Have you any experience with either Velobuild or other Chinese frames in the past?
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Thanks for sharing. Out of interest, are you aiming to get the bike under a certain weight? Good to see 28s comfortably fit btw, I’ll definitely be pulling the trigger.
Have you any experience with either Velobuild or other Chinese frames in the past?
I am aiming for sub 6.8 kg. I should be there with the parts on order. I like 24mm spindles and Shimano cranks because I have always had great luck and no maintenance issues with them so getting super light would be tough . They are not the lightest but I can deal with that.
I think I am on my 8th or 9th Chinese frame. I have had 4 or 5 dengfu frames and about the same from light carbon. Also a few random eBay mtb frames. This is my first from velobuild though.
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28mm GP5000s on 19mm inner width rims fit with ample room on my OG Evkin CF-025 which appears to be from the same mold.
Btw, with a little modification a Wheels Manufacturing Dropout Hanger 362 will fit and gives the option of direct mounting Shimano derailleurs.
This is great news. I will have to get one and check it out. I was going to look into the direct mount option. I love the look and of course and weight savings would a plus too. Hahaha
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This is great news. I will have to get one and check it out. I was going to look into the direct mount option. I love the look and of course and weight savings would a plus too. Hahaha
Basically, you just need to cut off a corner of the hanger-I used a Dremel cut-off wheel and filed off material until it fit flush on the frame.
(https://wheelsmfg.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/38443ae57f1e9542b3e8f9739b061ea0/d/r/dropout-362_outside_1.jpg)
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(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/S0fc0336af4a146c0be42372bd86cf319F/OG-EVKIN-For-OG-EVKIN-Shop-Accessories-Screws-Seat-Post-Clamp-Hub-Taki-Hanger.jpg_640x640.jpg)
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I am aiming for sub 6.8 kg. I should be there with the parts on order. I like 24mm spindles and Shimano cranks because I have always had great luck and no maintenance issues with them so getting super light would be tough . They are not the lightest but I can deal with that.
I think I am on my 8th or 9th Chinese frame. I have had 4 or 5 dengfu frames and about the same from light carbon. Also a few random eBay mtb frames. This is my first from velobuild though.
Wow, sub 7Kg!…. I’ll definitely be keeping an eye out with interest!
I’ll be ordering my frame next week and start scouring the net for parts :)
Any general tips / issues you’ve had buying from China?
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Couple more parts came in. swapped out the standard expander plug for the ebay ultralight special at just 11.4g.
Looking forward to seeing the build! Word of caution on the light expander plugs, the metal used where the wrench fits seems to be fairly soft (at least on mine) and I ended up stripping it while tightening it. Now I have to drill it out at some point but have left it stuck in there as it still works fine to compress the headsset and to thread the top cap.
On my 4th chinese frame and 3rd velobuild. Happy so far!
Ride Now tubes are pretty awesome. Would recommend the patch kit if you don't have it already. I've patched mine up a number of times. A regular quick patch like the clear ones from Park Tool don't stick unfortuantely.
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Looking forward to seeing the build! Word of caution on the light expander plugs, the metal used where the wrench fits seems to be fairly soft (at least on mine) and I ended up stripping it while tightening it. Now I have to drill it out at some point but have left it stuck in there as it still works fine to compress the headsset and to thread the top cap.
On my 4th chinese frame and 3rd velobuild. Happy so far!
Ride Now tubes are pretty awesome. Would recommend the patch kit if you don't have it already. I've patched mine up a number of times. A regular quick patch like the clear ones from Park Tool don't stick unfortuantely.
I see your on your 3rd velobuild. I’m about to pull the trigger on my first! Any advice before I do this? Did you order their bars, or get your own separately?
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I see your on your 3rd velobuild. I’m about to pull the trigger on my first! Any advice before I do this? Did you order their bars, or get your own separately?
Nice! Yes I've used both their integrated bars and the separate bar/stem combo that come with the frames that have full internal wiring. The 066 doesn't come with bars so I would either buy them from VB or source them separately if you're after something more specific since the options they have don't cover everyone.
In terms of ordering I would ask for an extra rear derailleur hanger to be thrown in. That's about it I think. Good luck!
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Nice! Yes I've used both their integrated bars and the separate bar/stem combo that come with the frames that have full internal wiring. The 066 doesn't come with bars so I would either buy them from VB or source them separately if you're after something more specific since the options they have don't cover everyone.
In terms of ordering I would ask for an extra rear derailleur hanger to be thrown in. That's about it I think. Good luck!
Thanks. I’ve pulled the trigger now and went with one of their bar and stems as well and spare hanger. Just the waiting game now and hope all arrives in one peice haha
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Wow, sub 7Kg!…. I’ll definitely be keeping an eye out with interest!
I’ll be ordering my frame next week and start scouring the net for parts :)
Any general tips / issues you’ve had buying from China?
My biggest thing with any Chinese bike frame is make sure they are trying to do their own thing. by this i mean they they are trying to make thier own brand or make a name for themselves. the fake Pinarello bikes are a prime example of what to avoid. i feel it is one thing to copy frame geometry and design ideas vs trying to fool people into thinking they are getting the real thing. If they have their own website and are using their own name they generally i have had good luck. the only time i have heard of (never had issues myself but i dont buy imitations) issues is with the frames that are trying to look real for 50% the price.
I have always just bought the frames and then sourced the other parts elsewhere. i am a bit of a weight weenie so i usually search for lighter options than the frame companies have. the few times i have gone with bars or stems though they have worked great for the limited time they were on my bikes.
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Got the bike all built up and i am not just sorting out my fit. need to swap some stems around and play with where i want to cut the steerer. with 20"+ of new snow on the ground it will be a while before i make it out side so on the trainer is where she lives. one thing i noticed was the EE G4 brakes have a very different cable angle once they are set up on the wheel. i need to get longer housing as they ended up a bit short first time around.
I got word that the wheels are built and shipped. they sent some preview shots. they should be around the 1350g mark so about 300g less than the current wheels. i think that alone will get me under 7kg.
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Got the bike all built up and i am not just sorting out my fit. need to swap some stems around and play with where i want to cut the steerer. with 20"+ of new snow on the ground it will be a while before i make it out side so on the trainer is where she lives. one thing i noticed was the EE G4 brakes have a very different cable angle once they are set up on the wheel. i need to get longer housing as they ended up a bit short first time around.
I got word that the wheels are built and shipped. they sent some preview shots. they should be around the 1350g mark so about 300g less than the current wheels. i think that alone will get me under 7kg.
Good to see the bike built up, look forard too hearing your on road review once you have the opportunity / weather to be able to get out.
Also, thanks for your other reply re experiences etc with buying from China. Yeah, I’m with you re buying from companies trying to make a name for themselves rather that just replicas.
Have you tried out any group sets such as sensa?…. or stick wit the mainstream on that side of things
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Good to see the bike built up, look forard too hearing your on road review once you have the opportunity / weather to be able to get out.
Also, thanks for your other reply re experiences etc with buying from China. Yeah, I’m with you re buying from companies trying to make a name for themselves rather that just replicas.
Have you tried out any group sets such as sensa?…. or stick wit the mainstream on that side of things
Yes, the bike that this velobuild frame is replacing is a GT GTR elite frame with the Sensah Empire Pro 2x12 group set. It was the full group set with the CVR hard rock crankset. I was actually quite impressed with it over all. Runs very quiet while on the trainer and shifts well. I would be lying if I didn't say there was a definite difference between the Sensah and my Dura Ace group but the is. However, if I were looking at spending the 700$ or so for a 105 group set I would really have to think twice about the Sensah. It is really good. It would be even harder if you are used to or prefer the Sram shifting method. I am really in love with how Shimano shift so I know that makes me bias but if you are a Sram guy already then I would say go Sensah. A friend build a gravel bike with the SRX group set and I built it up for him. Same basic comments there as well. Super impressed and it works really well. That was the main driver of me getting the empire set.
If you have any questions please let me know. Happy to answer.
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Yes, the bike that this velobuild frame is replacing is a GT GTR elite frame with the Sensah Empire Pro 2x12 group set. It was the full group set with the CVR hard rock crankset. I was actually quite impressed with it over all. Runs very quiet while on the trainer and shifts well. I would be lying if I didn't say there was a definite difference between the Sensah and my Dura Ace group but the is. However, if I were looking at spending the 700$ or so for a 105 group set I would really have to think twice about the Sensah. It is really good. It would be even harder if you are used to or prefer the Sram shifting method. I am really in love with how Shimano shift so I know that makes me bias but if you are a Sram guy already then I would say go Sensah. A friend build a gravel bike with the SRX group set and I built it up for him. Same basic comments there as well. Super impressed and it works really well. That was the main driver of me getting the empire set.
If you have any questions please let me know. Happy to answer.
I'd be really interested to know if this will clear 28c to 30c tires. I have a new carbon 28mm aero rim brake wheelset from light carbon and did not pull the trigger on 066 frame because it said 25c clearance.
https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-r28-economical-carbon-wheel-rim-brake-700c-road-carbon-wheel-with-cheap-price_p167.html
Please let me know.
Thanks
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NERD ALERT post. Still waiting on the wheels and as soon as they are in i will double check the fit for those waiting on whether a 28C or 30C tire will fit. I did however get some total nerd parts in. Some people love weight weenie parts and some don't, i am one who does. feel free to ignore this post if you are not.
Elita one seat post came in, 135g which is 60g less than stock velobuild
SRACE 11-28t cassette 195g
Carbon bottle cage x2 - 12.8g vs 45g
titanium bolts a plenty!
Bottle bolts, seat binder bolts, jockey wheel bolts and brake pad and brake cable clamp bolts 30.1g vs 16g.
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NERD ALERT post. Still waiting on the wheels and as soon as they are in i will double check the fit for those waiting on whether a 28C or 30C tire will fit. I did however get some total nerd parts in. Some people love weight weenie parts and some don't, i am one who does. feel free to ignore this post if you are not.
Elita one seat post came in, 135g which is 60g less than stock velobuild
SRACE 11-28t cassette 195g
Carbon bottle cage x2 - 12.8g vs 45g
titanium bolts a plenty!
Bottle bolts, seat binder bolts, jockey wheel bolts and brake pad and brake cable clamp bolts 30.1g vs 16g.
Eagerly awaiting 28mm wheel clearance:)
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Me too cause that will mean i have my new wheels. haha. i will post them ASAP.
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NERD ALERT post. Still waiting on the wheels and as soon as they are in i will double check the fit for those waiting on whether a 28C or 30C tire will fit. I did however get some total nerd parts in. Some people love weight weenie parts and some don't, i am one who does. feel free to ignore this post if you are not.
Elita one seat post came in, 135g which is 60g less than stock velobuild
SRACE 11-28t cassette 195g
Carbon bottle cage x2 - 12.8g vs 45g
titanium bolts a plenty!
Bottle bolts, seat binder bolts, jockey wheel bolts and brake pad and brake cable clamp bolts 30.1g vs 16g.
When you get the wheels, will be interested to see your total bike weight with everything on
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When you get the wheels, will be interested to see your total bike weight with everything on
Are we there yet..... :D
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Are we there yet..... :D
OMG I know. Not yet. Tracking says landed in US on 3/1. Not sure why USPS didn't drop everything to drive my package directly to my door with no stops or interruptions. Hahahha. Hopefully in the next few days.
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Hey, What is going on here. We demand you get the wheels and provide the specs... people's lives are on hold!!!
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Hey, What is going on here. We demand you get the wheels and provide the specs... people's lives are on hold!!!
;D ;D
Haha. My life is on hold!! These went into some shipping black hole (I assume customs). No movement since 3/1.
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On my 066, the front brakes easily fit GP5000 28mm and the rear brake looked fine too though I haven't ridden it outside and only on the trainer. I'm on some 7-8 year old farsport rims.
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On my 066, the front brakes easily fit GP5000 28mm and the rear brake looked fine too though I haven't ridden it outside and only on the trainer. I'm on some 7-8 year old farsport rims.
Nice build! Don't normally like blue, but this looks nice
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On my 066, the front brakes easily fit GP5000 28mm and the rear brake looked fine too though I haven't ridden it outside and only on the trainer. I'm on some 7-8 year old farsport rims.
Please check if it would clear these 28mm rims. I'd be grateful to you!!
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On my 066, the front brakes easily fit GP5000 28mm and the rear brake looked fine too though I haven't ridden it outside and only on the trainer. I'm on some 7-8 year old farsport rims.
Love that color. that glossy paint looks so fancy. what are the actual width of the tires on your rims if you don't mind me asking?
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Looks like my rim is 25mm wide so not sure if 28mm will fit since the pads are somewhat close. I'm using ultegra 6800 which apparently shimano says should use 25mm or less tire but can use 24-28mm carbon rim.
I don't have a caliper tool so not that accurate, but looks to be about 26mm wide.
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Looks like my rim is 25mm wide so not sure if 28mm will fit since the pads are somewhat close. I'm using ultegra 6800 which apparently shimano says should use 25mm or less tire but can use 24-28mm carbon rim.
I don't have a caliper tool so not that accurate, but looks to be about 26mm wide.
Thanks much!! I was planning to buy brakes that are specifically rated to clear 28mm rims. Not worried about that, was more concerned if the rear stays will clear a 28mm aero rim reasonably well. Thanks again!!
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nice project!
I also built up a r-077/Ltk-118 rim brake frame for fun with r7000 105 and some leftover parts.
Only thing left are some nice wide wheels... I still ride some cheap Mavic Aksium from 2015 with 17mm inner width.
Then it is even lighter and more fun to ride
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Sorry to everyone as i still have no new wheels. however i do have a set of old wheels and some calipers to measure the clearances. i have installed a tireless wheel so it is easier to see and the results look. there is a little over 41mm in width where the tire would be and 32mm from the rim to frame in the front (the tires height) So i am pretty confident that i will be able to sneak 30mm tires in there. 28s will definitely fit
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Sorry to everyone as i still have no new wheels. however i do have a set of old wheels and some calipers to measure the clearances. i have installed a tireless wheel so it is easier to see and the results look. there is a little over 41mm in width where the tire would be and 32mm from the rim to frame in the front (the tires height) So i am pretty confident that i will be able to sneak 30mm tires in there. 28s will definitely fit
Thanks for sharing, gives me relief that I’ll be able to install my 28s
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FINALLY received my wheels. they spent almost a month in Customs. Super happy with them. final weight came in at 1340g so pretty happy with that. I am a big fan of the 3k twill pattern. have not set them up tubeless yet as I am waiting for the official tires to come in. but I have some random tires on hand and there them on there. pics are of a 26mm Vittoria. I had the 28mm Schwalbe on their and I think I will be good to go for my 30mm tires. it will be close but should have enough room. I am surprised that the tire width didn't really change from the 15mm ID rim to the 21mm ID rim. I was expecting it to be a mm or 2 wider.
these wheels put my build at 6.75kg with pedals and quad lock mount. both wheels have regular tubes currently so tubeless should drop a little more. hopefully I can get it out on real road soon but for now it is back to trainer for this thing.
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FINALLY received my wheels. they spent almost a month in Customs. Super happy with them. final weight came in at 1340g so pretty happy with that. I am a big fan of the 3k twill pattern. have not set them up tubeless yet as I am waiting for the official tires to come in. but I have some random tires on hand and there them on there. pics are of a 26mm Vittoria. I had the 28mm Schwalbe on their and I think I will be good to go for my 30mm tires. it will be close but should have enough room. I am surprised that the tire width didn't really change from the 15mm ID rim to the 21mm ID rim. I was expecting it to be a mm or 2 wider.
these wheels put my build at 6.75kg with pedals and quad lock mount. both wheels have regular tubes currently so tubeless should drop a little more. hopefully I can get it out on real road soon but for now it is back to trainer for this thing.
Good news finally getting the wheels! Very good overall weight as well! Woulld you mind taking a fill pic of the bike with the wheels on? Interested to see how they look. I’ve finally got my frame in this weekend, so will be commencing the build very soon
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Full bike pic. Don’t judge the odd tires. Just needed something to measure clearances. 30mm tires of any flavor are hard to come by. Seems to be a popular size.
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Full bike pic. Don’t judge the odd tires. Just needed something to measure clearances. 30mm tires of any flavor are hard to come by. Seems to be a popular size.
So I’ve finally got mine together. Thanks very much for your tips and progress updates, the 28s fitted comfortably, so I see no issues with 30s at all.
One thing I underestimated was how low the stack was for my fit, I’ve had to put about 55mm of spacers underneath the stem, should I be good with this?…. there doesn’t seem to be any documentation around max recommended.
Very happy with the bike though, did a quick spin around the block and hanging together well… only had one minor quality issue which was one of the frame fittings not sitting flush , but in terms of ride quality, feels really responsive. I now have the confidence to go for the disc version
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So I’ve finally got mine together. Thanks very much for your tips and progress updates, the 28s fitted comfortably, so I see no issues with 30s at all.
One thing I underestimated was how low the stack was for my fit, I’ve had to put about 55mm of spacers underneath the stem, should I be good with this?…. there doesn’t seem to be any documentation around max recommended.
Very happy with the bike though, did a quick spin around the block and hanging together well… only had one minor quality issue which was one of the frame fittings not sitting flush , but in terms of ride quality, feels really responsive. I now have the confidence to go for the disc version
Recommendations are no more than 30-40mm spacers below the stem. For carbon fork and steerer I personally would not go with more than 30mm just to be sure.
The VBR066 is an endurance oriented frame with shorter reach and higher stack compared to race/aero oriented frames. If the right size for you the VBR066 should offer comfortable fit without 55mm spacers.
How tall are you and what inseam measurement do you have? Which frame size did you order? What stem length do you have?
Can you attach a photo of the bike taken from the side so we can see it's set up?
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Recommendations are no more than 30-40mm spacers below the stem...
I've always read the 30-40mm max as well.
But recently on a build for a person who needed more, I asked Carbonda about it.
And they told me I could use the steerer uncut, and that is the maximum it can have. So no problem to add spacers.
Finally we did choose another frame, but I never thought about it this way.
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Recommendations are no more than 30-40mm spacers below the stem. For carbon fork and steerer I personally would not go with more than 30mm just to be sure.
The VBR066 is an endurance oriented frame with shorter reach and higher stack compared to race/aero oriented frames. If the right size for you the VBR066 should offer comfortable fit without 55mm spacers.
How tall are you and what inseam measurement do you have? Which frame size did you order? What stem length do you have?
Can you attach a photo of the bike taken from the side so we can see it's set up?
Thanks for your reply… Ive got an xs size. The reason for picking this size is I had a bike fit (on my current bike that is a size s, so slightly bigger, for reference a Cube Attain GTC SL) and for that one had to slam and get a very short stem for it to fit.
I’ve attached notes from my bike fit…. I’m 5’7 and inseam 29”. From a reach point of view the xs is perfect, but the head tube really low compared to current bike (hence all the spacers). I’ve got 45mm of spacers at the mo under the stem.
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One thing you could look at doing is getting a longer but steeper stem and then flip it up. hard to tell from the pics but it looks like your stem is a 6 degree and is angled down. if you went with a 17 degree stem you could remove a few spacers and have your bars end up in the same spot.
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Thanks for your reply… Ive got an xs size. The reason for picking this size is I had a bike fit (on my current bike that is a size s, so slightly bigger, for reference a Cube Attain GTC SL) and for that one had to slam and get a very short stem for it to fit.
I’ve attached notes from my bike fit…. I’m 5’7 and inseam 29”. From a reach point of view the xs is perfect, but the head tube really low compared to current bike (hence all the spacers). I’ve got 45mm of spacers at the mo under the stem.
Depending on size of your former Cube Attain comparing to VBR066 XS:
Cube size 50, similiar stack and reach https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c271337227fd001cae930b, (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c271337227fd001cae930b,)
Cube size 53, longer stack and reach. https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c27578bd501b0020a15464, (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c27578bd501b0020a15464,)
If your former bike was a size 53 it sure was higher, but also longer so more streched out body position or very short stem to compensate.
Based on the data from the bike fit and the frame geo your only option is to run spacers as you currently do. You are maxing out on reach length, bottoming out on stack and seat angle is .5 degree slacker which legthens the distance from saddle to bar compared to recommended seat angle.
Body core strenghtening and flexibilty training could allow for more drop between saddle and handle bar and thereby fewer spacers. Or maybe trying a riser bar if you want to lower the amount of spacers.
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Depending on size of your former Cube Attain comparing to VBR066 XS:
Cube size 50, similiar stack and reach https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c271337227fd001cae930b, (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c271337227fd001cae930b,)
Cube size 53, longer stack and reach. https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c27578bd501b0020a15464, (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5fc3d8009c03ff001779105e,63c27578bd501b0020a15464,)
If your former bike was a size 53 it sure was higher, but also longer so more streched out body position or very short stem to compensate.
Based on the data from the bike fit and the frame geo your only option is to run spacers as you currently do. You are maxing out on reach length, bottoming out on stack and seat angle is .5 degree slacker which legthens the distance from saddle to bar compared to recommended seat angle.
Body core strenghtening and flexibilty training could allow for more drop between saddle and handle bar and thereby fewer spacers. Or maybe trying a riser bar if you want to lower the amount of spacers.
So, yes my former bike was the size 53 cube and I had to have a very short stem (which made things a bit twitchy actually). I think for now, I’ll just keep the amount of spacers (50mm under the stem) and see how it goes for a few rides (I’ve not actually been out on a proper ride since setting up yet). I’m thinking though that getting a stem that had a slight angle (& pointing up) mixed with some flexibility training willl allow me to drop spacers a bit and not be as paranoid about the steerer haha.
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One thing you could look at doing is getting a longer but steeper stem and then flip it up. hard to tell from the pics but it looks like your stem is a 6 degree and is angled down. if you went with a 17 degree stem you could remove a few spacers and have your bars end up in the same spot.
You have an eagle eye! indeed it’s currently angled down and I think about 6 degree….I think I’m actually going to change the bars relatively soon (as the drops are a bit big, although the hoods are perfect), so I’ll prob just get bear and stem together and look for one with a bit more of an angle and flip and see how that goes.
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One thing to look for in the bars is a sheet reach on the bar itself. I like to run PRO Plt bars because they have a 70mm reach. Also had some Zipp bars that had the same reach. Some bars can have 80-90mm reach so that right there could be 20mm further out that your hoods will be just from the bar. Just something to look at so you don't end up worse off it than when you started.
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One thing to look for in the bars is a sheet reach on the bar itself. I like to run PRO Plt bars because they have a 70mm reach. Also had some Zipp bars that had the same reach. Some bars can have 80-90mm reach so that right there could be 20mm further out that your hoods will be just from the bar. Just something to look at so you don't end up worse off it than when you started.
Thanks for the heads up, will be doing some homework on this front!
How you getting on with your build? Are you still thinking of getting the disc version? I’m actually eyeing up their gravel bikes at the mo as a potential second (GF002 or GF003)… otherwise, I’ll prob get the disc version and just set up a bit differently (i.e wider tyres, different gearing)
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still liking the 066 rim brake. it is still on trainer duty but the weather is getting warmer so it will get taken outside soon. yes still looking at the disc version as well. need to finish my gravel build. i went with the light carbon LCG010. i hate the cables through the headset so i went with their older version. still has great clearance and a good stack height for my old back. hahaha
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still liking the 066 rim brake. it is still on trainer duty but the weather is getting warmer so it will get taken outside soon. yes still looking at the disc version as well. need to finish my gravel build. i went with the light carbon LCG010. i hate the cables through the headset so i went with their older version. still has great clearance and a good stack height for my old back. hahaha
Cool. Well I went out for a proper ride yesterday and very happy with the 066. The only issue was seat post moving a bit (I’ve used carbon paste and torqued correctly, so not sure what more I can do at the mo).
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Cool. Well I went out for a proper ride yesterday and very happy with the 066. The only issue was seat post moving a bit (I’ve used carbon paste and torqued correctly, so not sure what more I can do at the mo).
Had the same problem with my OG-Evkin CF-025 which appears to be the same mold. Used a small piece of this type of fiberglass mesh tape between the wedge and the seatpost combined with carbon paste and no more problems.
https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en/products/floors-tile/tile-prep/tape-screws-paper/durock-tile-backer-tape.html (https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en/products/floors-tile/tile-prep/tape-screws-paper/durock-tile-backer-tape.html)
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Had the same problem with my OG-Evkin CF-025 which appears to be the same mold. Used a small piece of this type of fiberglass mesh tape between the wedge and the seatpost combined with carbon paste and no more problems.
https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en/products/floors-tile/tile-prep/tape-screws-paper/durock-tile-backer-tape.html (https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en/products/floors-tile/tile-prep/tape-screws-paper/durock-tile-backer-tape.html)
Thanks. I’ll get some of this and try it out