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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: bamboo_mountain on February 22, 2022, 08:04:10 AM
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Has anyone ordered one of these: https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R48D-_p346.html (https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R48D-_p346.html)
in either the rim (SC-R48V) or disc (SC-R48D) options? It looks like it might be a good "Aethos" type frame. Similar to Winspace SLC.
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Apparently it is the SLC 2.0
The only other Aethos type frame I can think of is the Workswell WCB-R-366
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I sent an inquiry to receive more information on this frame.
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Its not the slc, geos a tad off.
But beautiful frame, very light and looks almost exactly like the slc.
Has anyone bought from these guys? Im actually interested in them now.
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I gotta be honest...I am quite intrigued by their Carbon Road Disc Frameset (SC-R49D)
Of all the road bikes I've built and reviewed, that frame seems to have the most aggressive geometry I've ever seen. And that makes me exceptionally happy.
Size: 500
Reach: 397
Stack: 544
And add to fact they have a size 410mm/125mm integrated handlebar.....sheesh! Wonder how much their frameset and handlebar costs with shipping. Keep us informed!
Speaking of SLC, this frame looks a lot like Winspace's T1500.
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Its not the slc, geos a tad off.
But beautiful frame, very light and looks almost exactly like the slc.
Has anyone bought from these guys? Im actually interested in them now.
You're right! Same thing for their Super Light Pattern Carbon Spoke wheels (https://www.speedercycling.com/28mm-Wide-45mm-Super-Light-Pattern-Carbon-Spoke-Road-Disc-Tubeless-Wheelset-SC-28WHD45TL-CSW-_p395.html). The depths and external/internal widths are off but everything else seems very similar. I guess Winspace has mould exclusivity in terms of sizing but the core design/construction tech is shared?
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I gotta be honest...I am quite intrigued by their Carbon Road Disc Frameset (SC-R49D)
Of all the road bikes I've built and reviewed, that frame seems to have the most aggressive geometry I've ever seen. And that makes me exceptionally happy.
Size: 500
Reach: 397
Stack: 544
And add to fact they have a size 410mm/125mm integrated handlebar.....sheesh! Wonder how much their frameset and handlebar costs with shipping. Keep us informed!
Speaking of SLC, this frame looks a lot like Winspace's T1500.
The Speeder integrated cockpit (https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Handlebars-SC-RH02-_p401.html) seems to be different from the Winspace Zero (https://www.winspace.cc/handlebar.html) integrated cockpit that's paired with the T1500. The SC-R49D frame itself seems to be very similar to but not exactly the same (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4485#p1733415) as the T1500 Disc. It's confusing because wasn't Winspace supposed to be the in-house brand of Gotobike, who are themselves a factory? The Winspace SLC 2.0 used to be called the Gotobike B40 (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4470#p1731820) while the T1500 was known as the Gotobike WS15 (https://twitter.com/rocosport/status/1009458805854425090) so I'm curious to see where exactly Speeder lies in the Gotobike-Winspace relationship.
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Justin from speeder sent me a quote for the 45 with in house hubs, carbon spokes. $760, 140 shipping $43 pp fee.
Decent price considering the weight but im hesitant given its a new company on the market and while its a good price considering, it is a bit expensive in the realm of chinese wheels.
It looks like their aero frame is a pinarello copycat.
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Ironically that is almost Winspace Hyper wheel money.
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Their wheels also intrigue me:
21mm internal
28mm external
Filament wound (not sure if this standard across all wheel makers, but Winspace uses this process)
I wonder how much a pair of 67mm deep wheels with DT240 hubs would cost...
EDIT: Spoke to their sales team
$918 USD per set
$150 for shipping
$50 PayPal Fee
I would probably rather go through Light Bicycle or Yoeleo at that price point.
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At that price point, might as well go for a bigger brand like yoeleo, farsports or light bicycle.
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Their wheels also intrigue me:
21mm internal
28mm external
Filament wound (not sure if this standard across all wheel makers, but Winspace uses this process)
I wonder how much a pair of 67mm deep wheels with DT240 hubs would cost...
EDIT: Spoke to their sales team
$918 USD per set
$150 for shipping
$50 PayPal Fee
I would probably rather go through Light Bicycle or Yoeleo at that price point.
Ouch! I guess they're a better buy if you choose the carbon spoke option using their own hubs?
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Reply from justin,
MOQ: 10 sets
Price: US$660/set
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LoL can we just take a moment to admire and applaud all the options we currently have in 2022 from these Far East factories?
How long do you think we will see this trend until the Chinese bike market bubble pops? Or when they start charging big name prices haha?
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Reply from justin,
MOQ: 10 sets
Price: US$660/set
This for the SC-R48D? Different geometry aside, the SLC 2.0 Disc costs 1580 USD...
The quotes are kind of all over the place though. One guy (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4470#p1731973) said 675 USD for a SC-R48V while another guy (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4485#p1733434) is asking 550 USD for his barely used second hand SC-R48D.
Regardless, I'm just drooling at the prospect of a SC-R48V build with an unbranded black direct mount set of those fake eeBrakes (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3598.0.html).
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I gotta be honest...I am quite intrigued by their Carbon Road Disc Frameset (SC-R49D)
Of all the road bikes I've built and reviewed, that frame seems to have the most aggressive geometry I've ever seen. And that makes me exceptionally happy.
Size: 500
Reach: 397
Stack: 544
And add to fact they have a size 410mm/125mm integrated handlebar.....sheesh! Wonder how much their frameset and handlebar costs with shipping. Keep us informed!
Speaking of SLC, this frame looks a lot like Winspace's T1500.
500 will be too small for sure. You'd need a crazy long seatpost.
I think the R49 would have sold like hotcakes if they'd given it clearance for 32mm tyres, which shouldn't have been that difficult as it's BB86.5. I feel like there's little excuse for BB86 / BB386 / T47(86) disc frames not to have minimum 30mm clearance.
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Justin from speeder sent me a quote for the 45 with in house hubs, carbon spokes. $760, 140 shipping $43 pp fee.
Decent price considering the weight but im hesitant given its a new company on the market and while its a good price considering, it is a bit expensive in the realm of chinese wheels.
It looks like their aero frame is a pinarello copycat.
Winspace wheels are another $500. Farsports another $700-800. Vortex another $1200. Dunno where you're going to get good quality rims, carbon spokes and hub cheaper than that.
Also they're by no means new.
Geo may be somewhat similar, but it doesn't look anything like pinarello design language.
I just ordered my second pair of wheels from Speeder.
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Winspace wheels are another $500. Farsports another $700-800. Vortex another $1200. Dunno where you're going to get good quality rims, carbon spokes and hub cheaper than that.
Also they're by no means new.
Geo may be somewhat similar, but it doesn't look anything like pinarello design language.
I just ordered my second pair of wheels from Speeder.
How would the ELITE Drive (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3590.0.html) compare with the Speeder/Winspace Hyper?
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How would the ELITE Drive (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3590.0.html) compared the Speeder/Winspace Hyper?
ELITE are purely sales AFAIK. I don't think they even lace the wheels. There seems to be very little technical knowledge and minimal after sales support, according to most people. I've no idea who makes the rims either - the 'marble' ones look odd, I don't know if it's purely cosmetic or not (probably) but it almost looks like an external thermoplastic layer.
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I gotta be honest...I am quite intrigued by their Carbon Road Disc Frameset (SC-R49D)
Of all the road bikes I've built and reviewed, that frame seems to have the most aggressive geometry I've ever seen. And that makes me exceptionally happy.
Size: 500
Reach: 397
Stack: 544
And add to fact they have a size 410mm/125mm integrated handlebar.....sheesh! Wonder how much their frameset and handlebar costs with shipping. Keep us informed!
Speaking of SLC, this frame looks a lot like Winspace's T1500.
Yeah, it really caught my eye as well. Super aggressive, but heavy. If I were still in the market for an Aero frame, I'd take a more serious look.
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Reply from justin,
MOQ: 10 sets
Price: US$660/set
I'm still waiting to hear back on my inquiry... Is this for the direct mount rim brake or the disc model?
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I'm still waiting to hear back on my inquiry... Is this for the direct mount rim brake or the disc model?
For the (SC-R48D)
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sadly this frame is way too small for me. I need 400+ reach and 610+ stack at minimum.
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Apparently it is the SLC 2.0
The quotes are kind of all over the place though. One guy (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4470#p1731973) said 675 USD for a SC-R48V while another guy (https://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113717&start=4485#p1733434) is asking 550 USD for his barely used second hand SC-R48D.
Regardless, I'm just drooling at the prospect of a SC-R48V build with an unbranded black direct mount set of those fake eeBrakes (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3598.0.html).
I second this... but not because I happen to be the guy selling an SC-R48V for $550.
My guess is that Speeder is the OEM for Winspace for this particular frame and so it makes sense that it's $675 from Speeder and $1480 from Winspace after painting and marketing. This guess is based on technical drawings and photos that I got from Speeder and Winspace when I was looking into this frame last year.
A different poster in this thread mentioned that the geometries and dimensions are slightly different but they're actually the same:
https://www.speedercycling.com/js/htmledit/kindeditor-en/attached/20190902/20190902191446_95676.jpg
https://winspace.cc/pub/media/wysiwyg/SLC_Geometry_1.jpg
In any case, if anyone's looking for one, the unpainted SC-R48V frameset I'm selling is a size 47 with a 513/378 stack/reach. And to go with it I'm also selling a pair of Bontrager direct mount brakes -- not exactly eeBrakes but similar.
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LoL can we just take a moment to admire and applaud all the options we currently have in 2022 from these Far East factories?
How long do you think we will see this trend until the Chinese bike market bubble pops? Or when they start charging big name prices haha?
As long as China can maintain its status as the world's factory, there will be a steady stream of manufacturers dipping their toes in the B2C channel. Don't think the bubble will pop anytime soon. And we have seen a steady increase in prices from well-known Chinese brands. So, it's an uphill battle, but they'll get to major brand status eventually.
I mean look at Taiwan, Japan, Korea. Similar stories for all of them. All started as low cost manufacturing centers characterized bypw quality and copycat behavior. Same with China, just on an immense scale
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I would love to buy a frame, but with the MOC being 10, it makes it impossible.
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ELITE are purely sales AFAIK. I don't think they even lace the wheels. There seems to be very little technical knowledge and minimal after sales support, according to most people. I've no idea who makes the rims either - the 'marble' ones look odd, I don't know if it's purely cosmetic or not (probably) but it almost looks like an external thermoplastic layer.
So, yes and no. Elite is just the brand for Xiamen Yuan'An Composites, and is owned by Yuan'An Composites.
Yuan'An composites makes the wheels, as well as their own hubs.
In fact that is all Yuan'An does. Make wheels ans hubs. Which they then market and sell under the Elite brand
Clearly I have a bias as I plonked down money to buy 5 sets, but I would not have done so without conducting some due diligence first.
They come with a 2 year warranty, but as much as I love getting stuff from China, I have yet to see a truly no hassle warranty from any manufacturer there.
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I exchanges emails with Longteng bikes about their superlight LTK036. The weight of size 50cm is 780+/-30g in carbon finish . And each larger size will be about 30g heavier. The price of the frame is $420 usd/set (Frame+Fork) in carbon clear coat or matte finish . I will add pictures. This is the weight for a size 55.
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I exchanges emails with Longteng bikes about their superlight LTK036. The weight of size 50cm is 780+/-30g in carbon finish . And each larger size will be about 30g heavier. The price of the frame is $420 usd/set (Frame+Fork) in carbon clear coat or matte finish . I will add pictures. This is the weight for a size 55.
Strange that there is a cable route through the top tube, not sure what is going on there.
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Strange that there is a cable route through the top tube, not sure what is going on there.
Rear brake cable exit left over from the rim brake model? it'll be useful for externally routed dropper seatposts on a gravel bike
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500 will be too small for sure. You'd need a crazy long seatpost.
Looks like their size 500 is equivalent to a size 54/55 frame:
Reach is 397
Stack is 544
TT: 553
HT: 145
Shame there isn't a more standardized way of measuring frames. It seems to vary from brand to brand.
Also...Winspace Hyper wheels can be had for $1200. Several 10% off codes exists which basically covers fast priority shipping. So $1100 USD shipped for DT Swiss 240 laced wheels in a very modern width isn't terrible. Having an easily serviceable hubs is good thing too. The main hurdle is brand awareness.
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Looks like their size 500 is equivalent to a size 54/55 frame:
Reach is 397
Stack is 544
TT: 553
HT: 145
Shame there isn't a more standardized way of measuring frames. It seems to vary from brand to brand.
Also...Winspace Hyper wheels can be had for $1200. Several 10% off codes exists which basically covers fast priority shipping. So $1100 USD shipped for DT Swiss 240 laced wheels in a very modern width isn't terrible. Having an easily serviceable hubs is good thing too. The main hurdle is brand awareness.
i do love how serviceable dt swiss hubs are. pull the freehub (and cassette) off at the same time, remove/add grease, put back on. basic maintenance done and can be done every 2500 miles. even fully replacing the bearings isnt that challenging.
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…pull the freehub (and cassette) off at the same time, remove/add grease, put back on…
Lol. You know its so blindingly obvious, but I never really thought about that until you just wrote it.
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i do love how serviceable dt swiss hubs are. pull the freehub (and cassette) off at the same time, remove/add grease, put back on. basic maintenance done and can be done every 2500 miles. even fully replacing the bearings isnt that challenging.
Would you say you prefer DT Swiss hubs over others?
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Strange that there is a cable route through the top tube, not sure what is going on there.
The cable on the top tube is for V brake . Because the 2 versions share the same mold on this part , if you use disc brake version , this cable is no useful .
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I heard back from Justin:
We currently don’t have SC-R48D in stock, so can’t sell one set to public. I can combine your order with others if you can wait 2~3 months for the new production which inquires MOQ 10 sets.
SC-R48D: US$698/set
The shipping cost to Canada is US$145.
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I heard back from Justin:
So with just a couple of us emailing him, the quote has jumped from 660 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3597.msg34691.html#msg34691) to 698...I guess that's the answer to patliean1 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3597.msg34692.html#msg34692)'s question!
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Would you say you prefer DT Swiss hubs over others?
Looking back i dont know, i love the serviceability but im a tiny bit of a weight weenie and theyre heavier and more expensive. 350 is heavier than bitex and significantly more.
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I heard back from Justin:
I wonder what shipping is if MOQ is met. I am assuming that is shipping by EMS. I wonder what the cost is by Ocean freight....
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So with just a couple of us emailing him, the quote has jumped from 660 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3597.msg34691.html#msg34691) to 698...I guess that's the answer to patliean1 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3597.msg34692.html#msg34692)'s question!
Im not a stickler for things but them charging different prices is a bit of a red flag to me. Why would they change the price depending on person?
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Im not a stickler for things but them charging different prices is a bit of a red flag to me. Why would they change the price depending on person?
Similar to my Skywing Carbon thread...there seems to be an apparent "cash grab" among these factories and agents.
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Similar to my Skywing Carbon thread...there seems to be an apparent "cash grab" among these factories and agents.
Now that you mention Skywing, I see what you are referring to.
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Longteng, the brand behind the ltk036 is the manufacturer of the ribble ultimate sl a few years ago.
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I also asked about the direct mount version (SC-R48V) and it is also out of stock.
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Would anyone be interested in organizing a group buy?
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I've been looking for a light frame rim or disc. Did everyone decide to wait for these to be available or just passing til someone else offers a light frame?
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I've been looking for a light frame rim or disc. Did everyone decide to wait for these to be available or just passing til someone else offers a light frame?
The Winspace SLC 2.0 (aka SC-R48) and T1500 were launched in early/late '17 respectively and are most certainly due for an update. I don't see a critical mass ponying up for the MOQ and by the time we wait for Speeder to produce more stock, the Workswell WCB-R-366 would probably have come out.
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I would love for a aethos look alike without internal cable routing..
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I've been looking for a light frame rim or disc. Did everyone decide to wait for these to be available or just passing til someone else offers a light frame?
I went with a velobuild in the end. Justin at speeder ghosted me after I asked too many questions :)
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The Winspace SLC 2.0 (aka SC-R48) and T1500 were launched in late '17 and are most certainly due for an update. I don't see a critical mass ponying up for the MOQ and by the time we wait for Speeder to produce more stock, the Workswell WCB-R-366 would probably have come out.
Assume you mean 369. I've been in discussion with WW. They aren't opening it to private customers. Even ones in territories where there is virtually no chance of them selling it to a brand that covers the area - I live in one such place. No idea why, as usually they're happy to sell stuff outside of covered territories.
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Think 366 is correct.
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Assume you mean 369. I've been in discussion with WW. They aren't opening it to private customers. Even ones in territories where there is virtually no chance of them selling it to a brand that covers the area - I live in one such place. No idea why, as usually they're happy to sell stuff outside of covered territories.
I don't really buy their spiel about not opening it to private customers. If it's private, why advertise it at all? The most I can see is them giving time limited exclusivity to one or a handful of brands, but sooner or later a nobody like myself will be able to buy because that's how they amortize the mould costs.
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They probably don't care about small orders (yet)? The person I chatted with also left the conversation as soon as they understood I'm not an OEM. They didn't make a good first impression with me.
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They probably don't care about small orders (yet)? The person I chatted with also left the conversation as soon as they understood I'm not an OEM. They didn't make a good first impression with me.
Every company has their own business model and we have to respect that. They have no social media presence unlike Velobuild and make no secret of their B2B focus. If you want to pay their low price you have to get lucky and hope that they have some unsold stock leftover.
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In case anyone is still doubting this: the full bike picture on Speeder's website is actually a Winspace branded frame. They (badly) erased the downtube logo in Photoshop, but you can still see the side of the headtube logo:
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Which frame? To my untrained eye, the slc 2.0 isn't as round.
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That picture is from the R48D web page, but it's clearly Winspace branded.
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R48D-_p346.html
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Relevant to things Speeder. My new tracklocross wheels.
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Looks like a fully integrated SC-R48D/SLC 2.0 already exists (https://www.adrisport-bike.com/soar/311-soar-sl-lx-durace-di2-disc.html)
(https://media.adrisport-bike.com/690-large_default/soar-sl-lx-durace-di2-disc.jpg)
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Can't be 100% sure as no geo available. But assuming it is, probably just the same bike with an ACR HS and no cable entries drilled in the tubing.
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Can't be 100% sure as no geo available. But assuming it is, probably just the same bike with an ACR HS and no cable entries drilled in the tubing.
The geometry of the Streamline and Soar models in their 2019 catalog (https://fr.calameo.com/read/005782500def9df84d4d7) seem to match up with the T1500 and SLC 2.0
I do hope that they have some provisions for internal routing of mechanical groupsets. IIRC the T1500 only supported internal routing with electronic groupsets.
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I figured it was only wireless when I checked out what they built for customers and advertising. I couldn't find a fb post with the soar and internal. Just on their website. So just assumed it was spec'd only to have internal routing for brakes.
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The geometry of the Streamline and Soar models in their 2019 catalog (https://fr.calameo.com/read/005782500def9df84d4d7) seem to match up with the T1500 and SLC 2.0
I do hope that they have some provisions for internal routing of mechanical groupsets. IIRC the T1500 only supported internal routing with electronic groupsets.
T1500 owner here.
I've spoken to several mechanics who have successfully ran fully routed mechanical groupsets for the T1500. The only reason I didn't do this personally was both for serviceability...and because I am absolutely sick of running fully routed mechanical groupsets this year LoL.
EDIT: I ran the hydraulic lines internally, but kept the shift cables outer. I really do wish more brands offered provisions for both options like Winspace. You can run both cables internally but it's tight. And honestly it's no more or less difficult to route internally than on a Velobuild, Dengfu, or Yoeleo.
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T1500 owner here.
I've spoken to several mechanics who have successfully ran fully routed mechanical groupsets for the T1500. The only reason I didn't do this personally was both for serviceability...and because I am absolutely sick of running fully routed mechanical groupsets this year LoL.
EDIT: I ran the hydraulic lines internally, but kept the shift cables outer. I really do wish more brands offered provisions for both options like Winspace. You can run both cables internally but it's tight. And honestly it's no more or less difficult to route internally than on a Velobuild, Dengfu, or Yoeleo.
Any chance you could link me to their builds? I trawled through social media and couldn't find a single instance of an internally routed mechanical T1500.
I'm unsure if it's truly compatible because in this video, the owner said that although the cables housing fit inside, they also became kinked in the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwGJtXvF6aQ
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Okay, so some interesting new discoveries:
There's this fully integrated SLC 2.0 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cc1IP4Cu-kM/) using the Winspace Zero cockpit and this other example (https://www.instagram.com/p/CcICYFFvrnF/), both with the external brake holes still in place. I'm unsure if a hole had to be punched in the fork steerer or if the stock fork comes with provisions for external and internal routing to begin with.
Looking back at that fully integrated Adris Soar (https://www.adrisport-bike.com/soar/310-3418-soar-sl-ultegra-di2.html#/62-taille-xs/107-couleur-silver_touch), the cockpit looked more like the Speeder SC-RH02 (https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Handlebars-SC-RH02-_p401.html) than the Winspace Zero (https://www.winspace.cc/accessories/handlebar.html). Where it gets interesting is that there may be more players in the Speeder/Winspace/Gotobike circle than I originally thought. The SC-RH02 cockpit looks the same as the Adapt AHD-01 (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=93) and Edge Design HB-20 (https://www.edge-design.com.tw/Spec-HB.html#hb20) while the SC-R49D frame looks the same as the Adapt FM49-DB (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=94) and Edge Design Aeolus (https://www.edge-design.com.tw/Spec-AEOLUSroad.html).
Adapt also has frames that I couldn't find anywhere else like the AT-B01 (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=98). They seem like a legit OEM supplier too as the Olympia Leader (http://www.olympiacicli.it/en/bike/road/superlight/leader) seems to be a rebrand of the FM08-DB (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=80) frame.
And since Adapt states that the AHD-01 accepts fully integrated mechanical groupsets, the Speeder SC-R49D & SC-RH02 combo should be compatible too. All we need now is for Speeder to update the SC-R48D to work with that cockpit and we should be good.
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Any movement on these frames? And do they actually direct/business to consumer?
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In case anyone is still doubting this: the full bike picture on Speeder's website is actually a Winspace branded frame. They (badly) erased the downtube logo in Photoshop, but you can still see the side of the headtube logo:
I've just watched the video from "China Cycling" on YouTube, where the production of the frames is presented...does he then walk through the "Speedercycling" production hall or does Winspace also have a production facility in Xiamen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WinYdscJi0
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I would love to buy one.
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Any movement on these frames? And do they actually direct/business to consumer?
I contact Speeder yesterday and get an answer from "Justin" today...price for the SC-R48D is US$675, Shipping cost (germany) US$160 (tax free). He told me that full internal routing with the SC-R48D is not possible :'(
Here is a new model, i found today on their website:
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R52D-_p412.html
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No internally routing is great.
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I contact Speeder yesterday and get an answer from "Justin" today...price for the SC-R48D is US$675, Shipping cost (germany) US$160 (tax free). He told me that full internal routing with the SC-R48D is not possible :'(
Here is a new model, i found today on their website:
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R52D-_p412.html
The Adris Performance (https://www.instagram.com/p/CfirdbFsZfc/) seems to be the SC-R52D
There's also the Adris Vitesse (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cfny7kOstbE/) which looks a lot like the Orca Aero and hopefully will be offered by Speeder too
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The Adris Performance (https://www.instagram.com/p/CfirdbFsZfc/) seems to be the SC-R52D
There's also the Adris Vitesse (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cfny7kOstbE/) which looks a lot like the Orca Aero and hopefully will be offered by Speeder too
Just a render, but the Vitesse looks sweet. Speeder don't seem to like doing more than 28mm clearance though :'(
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Just a render, but the Vitesse looks sweet. Speeder don't seem to like doing more than 28mm clearance though :'(
SP-Cycle is quite active in the "Cyclocross" sub-forum, which is offered and discussed directly in the forum.
If I look at their carbon road bike framesets, there are actually all models with 700x32C, has anyone already had experience with one of these models, such as this SP-053D?
https://www.sp-cycle.com/spcycle-2022-new-t1000-carbon-road-bike-disc-frame-all-internal-cable-700c-racing-bicycle-carbon-frameset-p4139463.html
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I am intrigued by Speeder's new SC-R49D aero frame. The design looks similar to a Winspace T1500 but with more reach. I'm always on the quest for more reach and shorter stack.
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R49D-_p399.html (https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R49D-_p399.html)
Size 500 (M): Reach 397 Stack 544
Size 540 (L): Reach 407 Stack 564
Winspace T1500
Size L: Reach 393 Stack 547
VeloBuild 168
Size 56 (L): Reach 398 Stack 556
Dengfu R12
Size 54: Reach 393 Stack 546
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The SC-R52D is very tempting as an Allrounder for me.
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I am intrigued by Speeder's new SC-R49D aero frame. The design looks similar to a Winspace T1500 but with more reach. I'm always on the quest for more reach and shorter stack.
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R49D-_p399.html (https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R49D-_p399.html)
Size 500 (M): Reach 397 Stack 544
Size 540 (L): Reach 407 Stack 564
Winspace T1500
Size L: Reach 393 Stack 547
VeloBuild 168
Size 56 (L): Reach 398 Stack 556
Dengfu R12
Size 54: Reach 393 Stack 546
Looks like the last gen Pardus Spark EVO (https://pardusbicycle.com/road/spark/88.html) might be right up your alley then. It's probably the most aggressive frame on the market if not comfortably top 3.
last gen Pardus Spark EVO, Rim or Disc
Size M: Reach 390, Stack 522
Size L: Reach 400, Stack 538
compared to the new gen Pardus Spark EVO, Disc only
Size M: Reach 383, Stack 527
Size L: Reach 387, Stack 540
pair the old frame with the conventional stem headset cap from the Spark Sport (https://pardusbicycle.com/road/spark/81.html) and you have yourself the most aggressive setup possible
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Looks like the last gen Pardus Spark EVO (https://pardusbicycle.com/road/spark/88.html) might be right up your alley then. It's probably the most aggressive frame on the market if not comfortably top 3.
last gen Pardus Spark EVO, Rim or Disc
Size M: Reach 390, Stack 522
Size L: Reach 400, Stack 538
compared to the new gen Pardus Spark EVO, Disc only
Size M: Reach 383, Stack 527
Size L: Reach 387, Stack 540
pair the old frame with the conventional stem headset cap from the Spark Sport (https://pardusbicycle.com/road/spark/81.html) and you have yourself the most aggressive setup possible
Have you got a geo chart for the new Spark EVO? I haven't been able to find one.
Edit: Just saw you posted a link in the other thread.
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I found another frame that sems to be very close (or the same) to the Speedr SC-R48 (or Winspace SLC 2.0) it is the Parapera Atmos
https://www.eddywouldattack.net/home/parapera-gravel-bikes/atmos/ (https://www.eddywouldattack.net/home/parapera-gravel-bikes/atmos/)
some reviews
https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-atmos-masterpiece-2022-review/ (https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-atmos-masterpiece-2022-review/)
https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-atmos-2021-review/ (https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-atmos-2021-review/)
https://www.radsport-rennrad.de/test-technik/parapera-atmos-disc-masterpiece-test/ (https://www.radsport-rennrad.de/test-technik/parapera-atmos-disc-masterpiece-test/)https://www-radsport--rennrad-de.translate.goog/test-teile/traumraeder-2022-test/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=it&_x_tr_hl=it&_x_tr_pto=op (https://www-radsport--rennrad-de.translate.goog/test-teile/traumraeder-2022-test/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=it&_x_tr_hl=it&_x_tr_pto=op)
https://www.radsport-rennrad.de/test-technik/parapera-atmos-disc-test/ (https://www.radsport-rennrad.de/test-technik/parapera-atmos-disc-test/)
https://www.roadbike.de/rennrad/test-parapera-atmos/# (https://www.roadbike.de/rennrad/test-parapera-atmos/#)
https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-anemos-gravel-bike-review/ (https://granfondo-cycling.com/parapera-anemos-gravel-bike-review/)
(https://s14761.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/06/Parapera_Atmos_2021_Review-023-980x653.jpg)
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Can anyone confirm whether or not Winspace is simply using Speeder frames (T1500 and SLC2), but with their own paint, branding, and QC?
Or is the actual carbon layup and molding process different from Speeder to Winspace?
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Some of the images on the Speeder website are actually Winspace bikes with the logos (poorly) photoshopped out, so I can we can safely say that they are the manufacturer?
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Why wouldn't the manufacturer have pictures of their own bikes?
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Why wouldn't the manufacturer have pictures of their own bikes?
Possibly because they never expected a group of cheap bike nerds to convene online for the sole purpose of figuring out who the OEM of a specific frame is ;D
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https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R52D-_p412.html
This looks interesting!
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https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R52D-_p412.html
This looks interesting!
Yeah, it piqued my interest too. I wonder if they copied a geometry of certain frame?
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The product page for the SC-R52D includes a real photography now.
Seems to be a small size. Headtube doesn't look too good in my opinion.
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maybe this is the SLC 3.0 ???
https://www.adrisport-bik
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maybe this is the SLC 3.0 ???
https://www.adrisport-bik
That Link isn't working
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Google is your friend.
https://www.adrisport-bike.com/
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I found this Danish brand rebranding the T1500 and SLC 2.0
Pronghorn Road Aero (https://pronghorn.dk/landevej/road-aero) and Road SL (https://pronghorn.dk/landevej/road-sl)
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I have come to the conclusion that there are 2 possibilities:
the first one, Winspace and Speeder are the same factory, the second, Speeder is the supplier of Winspace, in both cases the direct sales by Speeder are helpful to sell the frame that don't have passed the QC required by the main customers.
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the direct sales by Speeder are helpful to sell the frame that don't have passed the QC required by the main customers.
Interesting...
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I have come to the conclusion that there are 2 possibilities:
the first one, Winspace and Speeder are the same factory, the second, Speeder is the supplier of Winspace, in both cases the direct sales by Speeder are helpful to sell the frame that don't have passed the QC required by the main customers.
Highly doubt the latter. Yes it's more work and volumes are lower, but the margin is hugely higher and buyers are more likely to complain publicly.. Evidence is anecdotal in my personal experience but Carbonda stuff has typically been nicer quality than some of not-great OEM FlyBike stuff I've seen from the same moulds. Same goes for Speeder / WinSpace. Same goes for WorksWell and various brands that use them.
Speeder are the OEM / ODM for WinSpace .. and they're not officially linked. But the ownership of a lot of these Chinese cycling groups is murky and a lot of investors are common, so there may be more than meets the eye.
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Highly doubt the latter. Yes it's more work and volumes are lower, but the margin is hugely higher and buyers are more likely to complain publicly.. Evidence is anecdotal in my personal experience but Carbonda stuff has typically been nicer quality than some of not-great OEM FlyBike stuff I've seen from the same moulds. Same goes for Speeder / WinSpace. Same goes for WorksWell and various brands that use them.
Speeder are the OEM / ODM for WinSpace .. and they're not officially linked. But the ownership of a lot of these Chinese cycling groups is murky and a lot of investors are common, so there may be more than meets the eye.
Do you have good experience dealing with both either Workswell or Speeder Cycling? I’m planning to buy frames from them
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Do you have good experience dealing with both either Workswell or Speeder Cycling? I’m planning to buy frames from them
Haven't bought anything from WorksWell. Speeder 2 sets of wheels - both good.
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I have come to the conclusion that there are 2 possibilities:
the first one, Winspace and Speeder are the same factory, the second, Speeder is the supplier of Winspace, in both cases the direct sales by Speeder are helpful to sell the frame that don't have passed the QC required by the main customers.
I can't say I agree with your conclusion. Speeder has multiple commercial clients that they sell their open mold frames to (Winspace, Adris, and Parapera being some of the documented ones).
And they happen to sell their frames direct-to-consumer as well. I have one, and it's great. What you do not get to do as a B2C customer with them, is any sort of customization (no special or custom paint, no decals, etc). You also do not get the typical "after sales support" that you would with most major brands, where you can go into your local bike store to deal with any issues. Speeder does have a 2-year warranty (look at their website), so can coordinate with them directly, but your mileage may vary.
If you have concerns with the dealing with Speeder, then you can always just buy from Winspace, Adris, or Parapera for the peace of mind.
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Current lead time seems to be 2-3 months and the price has not changed.
Do you think its fine to pay them right away or is it smarter to wait a bit?
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Current lead time seems to be 2-3 months and the price has not changed.
Do you think its fine to pay them right away or is it smarter to wait a bit?
I'm pretty sure they make frames to order, their lead time won't change.
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Okay thanks for the info!
But paying a few months upfront is considered relatively safe?
Just curious as i havent dealt with manufacturers directly.
So currently im on the fence whether ill order direvtly or over winspace as daforce suggested
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I'm sure you will have no problems. I've never ordered from Speeder, but have ordered from many Chinese vendors who also make to order with no issues. Actually, I'm currently waiting on orders for Farsports Wheels and The One Pro handlebar, both which were paid in advance.
This is standard practice and I would personally order from Speeder without reservations. However, nothing wrong with buying from Winspace or one of the other players :) you skip the wait time, get to pick a pretty color, and they'll likely be much more attentive to your needs post-purchase. But you'll pay close to double for it
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So its either a different frameset or winspace just includes a different fork.
There are pictures of the slc 2.0 being internally routed and there are a few confirmations by speeder that this is not possible with the r48, due to the fork.
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Haven't bought anything from WorksWell. Speeder 2 sets of wheels - both good.
How was their adherence to previously communicated timelines?
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How was their adherence to previously communicated timelines?
Excellent.
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I just ordered an SC-R48D frame. Justin is very easy to work with. No language barrier, quick answers.
Carbon gloss finish, size 520, 849 USD including shipping. According to Justin, about 2 months lead time.
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Nice! Yes I’m also almost about to order.
The only thing stopping me is that i can’t really find reviews except maybe two.
And none really about the frames besides the OEM part.
The part about the badly photoshopped winspace branded bike on the product page implying its basically a slc2.0 is not 100% convincing to me because firstly they theoretically could have just copied the picture without any real relation to winspace and the forks between those frames are also different.
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I find reviews mostly meaningless. Handling is primarily determined by geometry, wheels, tires and air pressure. I would love to read reviews that have been done blindfolded, without the reviewer knowing what he or she is riding. But it's not happening for obvious reasons. Also, everyone seems to be able to give reviews about wheels and frames and whatnot, no matter how technically proficient he or she is. Today's disc bikes are so balanced and differences in handling are so small. I had a look at the geometry chart of the SC-R48D and I was already pretty sure I knew what I could expect in terms of handling. Of course, I may be wrong but then I'm the first to acknowledge that. To be perfectly honest, the main driver why I ordered it is because of its simple look, round seatpost, external cables (I have plenty integrated bikes), light weight and EPS molding technology.
BTW, the frame head tube is tapered 1 1/8” - 1 1/2”. I thought I read here that the upper section is 1 1/2” which it isn't.
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I find reviews mostly meaningless. Handling is primarily determined by geometry, wheels, tires and air pressure. I would love to read reviews that have been done blindfolded, without the reviewer knowing what he or she is riding. But it's not happening for obvious reasons. Also, everyone seems to be able to give reviews about wheels and frames and whatnot, no matter how technically proficient he or she is. Today's disc bikes are so balanced and differences in handling are so small. I had a look at the geometry chart of the SC-R48D and I was already pretty sure I knew what I could expect in terms of handling. Of course, I may be wrong but then I'm the first to acknowledge that. To be perfectly honest, the main driver why I ordered it is because of its simple look, round seatpost, external cables (I have plenty integrated bikes), light weight and EPS molding technology.
BTW, the frame head tube is tapered 1 1/8” - 1 1/2”. I thought I read here that the upper section is 1 1/2” which it isn't.
I agree, for me the reviews are mostly anecdotal. However I like looking at real images of the product. I do not care too much about their technical opinions in most cases because it is way too subjective but I usually prefer a product where the vendor has proven to deliver goods reliably.
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Are those derailleur hangers universal? Or are these proprietary?
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I just ordered an SC-R48D frame. Justin is very easy to work with. No language barrier, quick answers.
Carbon gloss finish, size 520, 849 USD including shipping. According to Justin, about 2 months lead time.
Keep us posted, does the frame come with stem/handlebars?
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Keep us posted, does the frame come with stem/handlebars?
No. You pay extra for that. Also for the headset, through axle and sestpost.
I just ordered too.
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Good to know. Curious to see how your builds turn out, are you going for a weight weenie build or more of an all rounder?
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T1500 owner here.
I've spoken to several mechanics who have successfully ran fully routed mechanical groupsets for the T1500. The only reason I didn't do this personally was both for serviceability...and because I am absolutely sick of running fully routed mechanical groupsets this year LoL.
This is proving a bit of a dilemma for me for a couple of reasons. I have bought a T1500 frame, but have not opted to buy their handlebars. I'm not too fussed about fully internal routing because of the serviceability issues and therefore might prefer semi-external routing anyway. I thought that Speeder might have some T1500 equivalent handlebars but it seems that the only integrated handlebars they have are full internal routing: https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Handlebars-SC-RH02-_p401.html
If it is possible to route the Speeder handlebars with a 105 hydraulic disc groupset on the T1500 frame then I might compromise. However, if this is potentially going to lead to problems, then I need to find something else.
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I have bought a T1500 frame, but have not opted to buy their handlebars.
If it is possible to route the Speeder handlebars with a 105 hydraulic disc groupset on the T1500 frame then I might compromise. However, if this is potentially going to lead to problems, then I need to find something else.
Any particular reason you opted not to buy the Winspace handlebars? That would have inherently resolved the cable routing issue, since the handlebars have additional ports/outlets underneath to accommodate externally routing the mechanical shift cables into each side of the frame downtube.
Assuming Winspace has your handlebar size in stock and you're comfortable with the drop, reach, and -10 stem angle...I cannot recommend their handlebars enough. Looking at those Speeder handlebars, the outlets/ports near the drops do not look wide enough to fit both a hydro and mechanical shift cable. Probably intended for Di2 or eTap.
Alternatively you can run a separate handlebar stem combo using either FSA's ACR or SRS no. 69 system.
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Any particular reason you opted not to buy the Winspace handlebars?
Looking at those Speeder handlebars, the outlets/ports near the drops do not look wide enough to fit both a hydro and mechanical shift cable. Probably intended for Di2 or eTap.
Cost mainly (but also they don't have my size). They are USD $320 inc shipping (assuming it's OK to go for the "only for spare parts and accessories" option). Given that there is/was some relationship between Speeder and Winspace, I was hoping that they would have the same bars.
I take your point about the ports. The CAD drawing does show 4 cables though.
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Alternatively you can run a separate handlebar stem combo using either FSA's ACR or SRS no. 69 system.
I'm now leaning towards starting out with one of these until I have my fit dialled in and then switching to integrated bars once I'm more confident that I'm buying the right size. Which of these would require the least initial outlay and least hassle when it comes to swapping over?
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Can you please not derail this thread ?
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Can you please not derail this thread ?
Sorry. I guess I did a bit.
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I am getting to place an order for disc brake version. Emailing with Justin right now.
Does anyone have any experience or photos that they can share?
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I’ll get my disc brake version sometime in the near future. Cannot tell, it’s on its way.
Will post pictures if i have it.
I have prepared more or less everything except frame plugs because I don’t know if I’ll be needing those….
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I’ll get my disc brake version sometime in the near future. Cannot tell, it’s on its way.
Will post pictures if i have it.
I have prepared more or less everything except frame plugs because I don’t know if I’ll be needing those….
Tines, what other components did you have to buy? This is my first build so I'm actually not sure which pieces I might be missing.
I'll be ordering the frame and a seat post.
I'm not sure about the headset sizing and dimensions.
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My frameset is ready to be shipped. Let's see how long it takes until it arrives.
It's a size 490 in carbon gloss, not sure if I'll build it up though. But I'll make pictures of the frameset and what came with it.
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My frameset is ready to be shipped. Let's see how long it takes until it arrives.
It's a size 490 in carbon gloss, not sure if I'll build it up though. But I'll make pictures of the frameset and what came with it.
Why is that?
Tines, what other components did you have to buy? This is my first build so I'm actually not sure which pieces I might be missing.
I'll be ordering the frame and a seat post.
I'm not sure about the headset sizing and dimensions.
Just the usual stuff, I ordered the FSA headset from speeder.
I’ve also bought foam for internal routing to prevent noise but the sc-r-52d apparently has this carbon tube inserted. So let’s see what I get.
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Why is that?
I ordered another frameset (Elilee Blize) in the meantime so I'm probably not going to need the SC-R48D.
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Justin hasn't responded to my inquiries for couple of days now. I assume this is because of the Chinesse New Year holiday.
I did notice that the SC-R48 geometry is just slightly different than Winspace SLC 2.0 geometry. Has anyone confirmed whether Speeder makes this frames for Winspace or is Speeder just copying Winspace's frame?
I am making my decision based on high quality of Winspace frames as reviewed by Hambini. So if SC-R48 is not the SLC 2.0 then that may change my decision.
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Justin hasn't responded to my inquiries for couple of days now. I assume this is because of the Chinesse New Year holiday.
I did notice that the SC-R48 geometry is just slightly different than Winspace SLC 2.0 geometry. Has anyone confirmed whether Speeder makes this frames for Winspace or is Speeder just copying Winspace's frame?
I am making my decision based on high quality of Winspace frames as reviewed by Hambini. So if SC-R48 is not the SLC 2.0 then that may change my decision.
I can’t give you more info about this.
But the 48d also has a different fork than the SLC 2.0.
I also think the pictures in this thread will be the first „independent“ ones of the 48d.
Trilobites is probably the first to arrive, mine is still waiting for flight.
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My frame was shipped last week (UPS) and is currently out for delivery. I expect it to arrive this evening. I'll do some pictures, weigh all the parts and put back everything in the box again. If someone is interested in it (size 490), let me know.
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My frame was shipped last week (UPS) and is currently out for delivery. I expect it to arrive this evening. I'll do some pictures, weigh all the parts and put back everything in the box again. If someone is interested in it (size 490), let me know.
Looking forward to the photos! I am currently trying to decide on this frame so please take plenty :D
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Here are some pics. It's a nice frame. And since made with EPS, there is no wrinkling and bladder remaining in the frame. Frame weight is including 4 bottle cage bolts and both derailleur hangers (ca. 40g plus ca. 20-30g for clearcoat). Bare frame without paint will be around 810-820g.
(https://i.ibb.co/DCcgkrK/20230123-184019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DCcgkrK) (https://i.ibb.co/hR4fBMW/20230123-184044.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hR4fBMW) (https://i.ibb.co/XxjFYx4/20230123-184112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XxjFYx4) (https://i.ibb.co/DM7z39R/20230123-184437.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DM7z39R) (https://i.ibb.co/wpZjdgj/20230123-184443.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wpZjdgj) (https://i.ibb.co/P9TY3wK/20230123-184501.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9TY3wK) (https://i.ibb.co/QDPx5Wz/20230123-184538.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDPx5Wz)
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Thank you so much for the photos. I don't see anything that standsout in terms of issue. BB looks decent.
Did they have cable route guide? I don't see anything coming out on the rear for rear disc brake nor through the fork.
Can you take a picture showing the bottom side of the BB?
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Yeah, looks like a beautiful frame :)
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The rear brake mount looks painted over. I'd definitely have that faced before you install the brake caliper.
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Here are some pics. It's a nice frame. And since made with EPS, there is no wrinkling and bladder remaining in the frame. Frame weight is including 4 bottle cage bolts and both derailleur hangers (ca. 40g plus ca. 20-30g for clearcoat). Bare frame without paint will be around 810-820g.
(https://i.ibb.co/DCcgkrK/20230123-184019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DCcgkrK) (https://i.ibb.co/hR4fBMW/20230123-184044.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hR4fBMW) (https://i.ibb.co/XxjFYx4/20230123-184112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XxjFYx4) (https://i.ibb.co/DM7z39R/20230123-184437.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DM7z39R) (https://i.ibb.co/wpZjdgj/20230123-184443.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wpZjdgj) (https://i.ibb.co/P9TY3wK/20230123-184501.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9TY3wK) (https://i.ibb.co/QDPx5Wz/20230123-184538.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QDPx5Wz)
If you are looking to sell it please let us know I'm sure some folks here would be interested.
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The brakes mounts were faced after they clearcoated the frame. But it looks as if they added the slightest amount of black paint. Don't know the reason behind it. I have a facing tool from Park Tool and I will clean the mounts. I'll make some pictures this evening to show how it looks.
Below the BB, there are guides for mechanical shifting. There are no cable routes for the rear brake hose but this is also not necessary IMHO. And yes, frame is for sale, I can ship worldwide.
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Mind to share from where you order Elilee Blize frameset?
I ordered another frameset (Elilee Blize) in the meantime so I'm probably not going to need the SC-R48D.
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Mind to share from where you order Elilee Blize frameset?
Direct from their instagram or email.
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I ordered another frameset (Elilee Blize) in the meantime so I'm probably not going to need the SC-R48D.
I recently got my hands on Elilee's newly released OSPW system. Not cheap, but absolutely night and day quality versus the typical $50-$65 AliX OSPWs...
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So i have received my frame as well. Looks good, brake mounts are also a bit unclean but besides that it’s fine.
I wondered about something that I am lacking experience. Firstly the headset bearings.
Did they really supply the right size? Apparently it’s fsa no42 but the gap doesn’t seem right.
Also, the cable exits below the bottom bracket don’t really make sense for anything else besides shifting cables if i look at their diameter.
the fork does sit flush with the frame however. Weird thought the bearings would have a stable fit on the fork.
Well, I’ll get to the build on the weekend I guess.
Frame without the alloy things (bottle cage bolts and the seat post thing) is around 850 for the 49 size.
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Hi Tines,
It does look weird! I purchased Trilobites frameset however I am out of the Country so won't be building the frame until early April at the earliest.
The top bearing should be 41.8mm and the bottom bearing 52mm is the bottom bearing too small?
Can't wait to see more pictures of the frame and your build!
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Best to check with Justin from Speeder about the headset to be sure.
Also, the cable exits below the bottom bracket don’t really make sense for anything else besides shifting cables if i look at their diameter.
What else would you route below the BB apart from shifting cables?
Have fun building up this frame :)
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Justin said it was fine. The Fork utilizes a carbon crown. I’ve since seen this on other bikes too..
I built it up this weekend. It wasn’t easy, but it was also my first time building one up from scratch.
At first I went in the frame with a camera but quickly realized I have no idea what I’m looking for so I just started. I was actually surprised how smooth the BB went in, I expected noises. Again, probably because I am used to BSA. Frame looked faultless , a bit a lacquer at the brakes but besides that I did not notice anything else.
Ended up at 7.75 kg with pedals, full 105, size 49.
Had some creaking from the seat post, tried to torque it to 5 NM or something like that (the clamp says 6NM) heard a crack. Well anyway, reapplied carbon paste and clamped it again. Haven’t heard the creaking afterwards (only a short ride).
During the ride I sometimes heard rattling , not sure if it’s from the di2 cable zip ties I installed that serve no purpose or if it was the cover plate on the downtube that was loose all of a sudden.
So the thing that is left for me now is:
How should I check if that crack is an issue? I don’t really see anything unusual. I’m not sure if it really was the seat post because that thing is massive. I couldn’t even fit the di2 battery with the pro battery holder because the walls are so thick.
I’m also a bit unsure about the FSA COMPRESSOR they’ve supplied.
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Looking very nice. I like the black of the 105 group on the black of the frame :)
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Yeah I know it’s quite basic and stealthy but I went for that look.
I have around 300 km now and i like it.
I think the ride is relatedness harsh compared to my Aeroad or Aluminium bike but that may be due to the Conti 25s in the front. Or the wheelset. I don’t know, I haven’t bothered to ride the bikes with the same wheelset.
One thing I stumbled across is the bottom bracket.
There’s no creaking but it was quite hard to get the crank installed and it does
Not spin freely at all. It shouldn’t be the preload but I also cannot easily take the crank out again.
Is there some test I could do, do check the alignment?
I have installed a shimano SM-BB72-41B.
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So far i have around 500 km on it.
I’m happy with the bike! Really nothing to blame, the crank spins fine.
Only two points:
-the cover plate for the bottom tube that is supposed to cover the middle cable entry isn’t great. It’s flat, while the tube isn’t. Not a real issue , just worth mentioning. It anyone has an alternative let me know.
- i am a bit unsure about the supplied FSA expander as it’s height is less that the height of the stem. And it doesn’t sit in the middle if I were to remove the top spacers.
I bought a replacement compression plug by PRO, but that doesn’t seem right either, because it doesn’t sit flush against the steerer (three main contact points instead of evenly distributed). Do any of y’all have a suggestion? The specialized one maybe? Or am I being too cautious ?
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+1 on the Specialized expander.
Lighter than the chinese ones while still providing good length and grip.
https://assets.specialized.com/i/specialized/06214-2010_CMPNT_CARB_STEER_TUBE_PLUG?bg=rgb(241,241,241)&w=2500&h=1406&fmt=auto
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So I've finally completed the build of the frame I bought from @trilobites
I'm switching from a Factor o2 2018 RB with 8050 Di2 and so far after a few hundred k's the main difference is the stiffness in between both frame's rear triangle has the o2 was much more lively and felt alive when climbing out of the saddle however it looks like the power delivery is a bit better on the speeder.
I will report back after a month or two on the bike for a clear review.
Speeder SC-R48D 490
Sram AXS Rival RD/Force FD/Rival Shifters
Ali Shimano 12 Speed 11/32 cassette & Chain
Shimano R8000 52/36 crankset
Speeder 45mm wheels with Chosen Hub - 1460G with Tape.
Prologo Dimension NDR Nack / Elita One Seatpost
Fasterway 380mm aero handlebars
Kalloy Uno 100mm
Favero Assioma
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Lovely bike. Congrats, but never seen that level of drivetrain mixing ;D
How does it shift?
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@zdrenka89 RD is flawless so far still tuning the FD as it's pretty much maxed out with that 52 Tooth ring however I was inspired by two Japanese YouTuber who are riding similar setups :D
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Didnt know the indexing of the RD would work with 12sp Shimano.
Is the FD maxed out in terms of how high it can be mounted in FD-mount?
And can the FD handle the 16 tooth difference between the front chainrings?
How is the pulleywheels of the RD handling the smaller rollers in the chain?
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@zdrenka89 RD is flawless so far still tuning the FD as it's pretty much maxed out with that 52 Tooth ring however I was inspired by two Japanese YouTuber who are riding similar setups :D
That's an old Force FD, right? I'm surprised it can handle 52 ... usually they struggle with 50. Everyone I know who's running a mixed drivetrain like that is running Rival FD, or the new Force FD.
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Didnt know the indexing of the RD would work with 12sp Shimano.
Is the FD maxed out in terms of how high it can be mounted in FD-mount?
And can the FD handle the 16 tooth difference between the front chainrings?
How is the pulleywheels of the RD handling the smaller rollers in the chain?
The pulley wheels are having no issues with the chain!
It is a D1 Force AXS FD and yes it's at the highest point of the mount!
Shifting from small to big works but at both extremes of the range I had some slight chain rubbing IE Big ring and 32 in the back and vice-versa.
I'm debating adding a spacer on the drive side to help with Derailleur adjustments but this will have to take a break as one of the FD limit screws is stripped and I'm hunting for a replacement.
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Thanks for elaborating!
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So I've finally completed the build of the frame I bought from @trilobites
I'm switching from a Factor o2 2018 RB with 8050 Di2 and so far after a few hundred k's the main difference is the stiffness in between both frame's rear triangle has the o2 was much more lively and felt alive when climbing out of the saddle however it looks like the power delivery is a bit better on the speeder.
I will report back after a month or two on the bike for a clear review.
Speeder SC-R48D 490
Sram AXS Rival RD/Force FD/Rival Shifters
Ali Shimano 12 Speed 11/32 cassette & Chain
Shimano R8000 52/36 crankset
Speeder 45mm wheels with Chosen Hub - 1460G with Tape.
Prologo Dimension NDR Nack / Elita One Seatpost
Fasterway 380mm aero handlebars
Kalloy Uno 100mm
Favero Assioma
I look forward to reading your review.
Please, I'd like to know what is your saddle height? I'm in trouble about the size 490 vs 520. Thank you very much.
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Any further experiences?
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Any further experiences?
I've had about 1250KM on the bike since then and I'd say my opinion hasn't changed much this is a racing-worthy frame my only knick is the lack of compliance it's a very stiff bike.
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I've had about 1250KM on the bike since then and I'd say my opinion hasn't changed much this is a racing-worthy frame my only knick is the lack of compliance it's a very stiff bike.
Yeah it’s quite hard.
Say, have you thought about exchanging the seat post ?
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Yeah it’s quite hard.
Say, have you thought about exchanging the seat post ?
Currently running an Elita One carbon and I think it's quite flexible already but could try something else.
The quality of the pavement in my area is not that great so it amplifies the lack of compliance.
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SC-R48V
Size 520 (translates to a normal 54cm)
Gloss UD marble clear coat finish
Almost bought the frame in April last year but I think they had already sprayed up frames for a brand so were not able to provide the clear coat finish. Was very quick to accept the funds without confirming whether the finish was available, so maybe double check lead times etc before purchasing.
Went ahead with purchase in November as clear coat finish was available.
$775 frameset shipped to UK (frame hardware/x1 hanger but no headset)
Used Paypal 23/11/23, shipped 06/12/23, delivered 02/01/24
Very easy to build with cable guides already routed. Didn’t have a hambini approved way of measuring the bb but install was ok, didn’t drop in and didn’t require loads of force.
Headset seems area looked a bit dodgy. Not a lot of material where the headset meets the frame and looked very rough. Similar appearance to the gc performance review of the winspace agile but a lot less material. Front end built up fine though and no play and not requiring any bodges to get the headset to work.
Lots of clearance gp5000 28mm on 19mm internal rim width. Possibly get 32mm on same rims, probably 28 or 30mm if on 28mm external wide rims.
Frame was 850g inc. frame hardware/bolts. Fork 400g uncut, 360-370g cut to size
Built up to 7.2kg. most bits were pretty light. But wheels 1540g, 105 cassette, 200g saddle and powermeter/crank/chainrings 845g all added on the weight.
First ride was still getting the position sorted out and went from 38cm to 34cm bars so getting used to the handling as well. Have come from a Kinesis Aithein with 31.6 alloy post/25mm tyres on UK roads for the past seven years which is a very harsh/stiff setup but had no problems with over the years (raced briefly as cat 2 in UK). The speeder frame did feel nice and stiff, and going to 27.2 carbon post and 28mm tyres is certainly more comfortable. So no complaints regarding stiffness or too harsh a ride, 70kg and 65psi cyclemi tpu tubes was good for UK country roads. Probably could go 10 psi up or down from there.
Ended up sliding out at a roundabout nearing the end of my first ride which was around 60 miles. I think I dropped the bike against a lamp post after crashing and ended up cracking the top tube. Will be getting a quote from a carbon repair place to see if it is worth the repair. I will also get them to have a look at the headset area at the same time.