I'm looking to buy this bike, recently they announced it with starting price of ~2000$ for 105 12 speed mechanical groupset, extremely good price for such beautiful looking frame



Also more info here: https://www.biketo.com/product/52274.html?all=1


The weight is about 1300g for standard and 1100g for Plume (more expensive version), plus they have option for lighter and thinner fork (that is lighter for about 80 grams):


There are seatpost options for 0 and 15mm offset:




On weightweenies forum one folks said that it's very stiff and harsh compared to SL8:  https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174075

Hey there

I found these wheels: https://www.mostsport.com/700c-50mm-super-light-weight-carbon-spoke-wheels-for-road-disc-brake-mscsw50281/ and they match 100% to my needs, cost about 600$, carbon spokes, dtswiss style hub, 2:2 lacing, but I'm not sure if I should try them, I have several concerns:

1) hub is inhouse made, so, no reviews of them and I've never heard about them (beside this, they also have 2:1 lacing hub, exactly the same as light bicycle uses, but it's 2:1, which I'm not a big fan of this type of lacing.)
2) 20 spokes, I have concerns about this kind of small number is spokes, what do you think?


I'm just want to hear your opinion about these kind of deals, should I give and try? They also have Saphim CX Ray spokes with Bitex r312 for about the same price, but I want to try these.

Hey there

Just found this bike: LINK on Taobao, seems to be a very good deal, i coudn't find their frame, so it's probably not an open mold.

I'm looking for a cheap wheelset for my build, what do you recomend 1800 spline 32 db or some cf chinese wheelset for 300$ budget?
If chinese, what brand do you reccomend?

Hello there

If someone on this forum had a real experience with them, can you share your history, I couldn’t find anything.



I was looking to purchase frame from them, but it’s dirty cheap, just 560$ for the most expensive model, sure, they made frames for yoeleo in the past, but I'm not sure if quality and carbon fiber layout will be good for d2c sales as from yoeleo, what do think?

Hey there, i'm sorry in advance for all my grammatical mistakes, not a native speaker.

So, i'm really obsessed with trek madone, but because i'm living in country where the official minimum salary is 80$, i was started to looking at rip off framesets, but i couldn't find any review or information whatsoever. I haven't bought it yet, i'm on the path of making investigation about it's quality and reliability.

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1) Let's begin with seller investigation, i've found three main sellers on Aliexpress that sells this frame:
Taiwan Eisen https://www.aliexpress.ru/store/5257218
Rocking Cyling store https://www.aliexpress.ru/store/2189015 (one of the forum members bought Emonda frame from them: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4029.msg42719.html#msg42719

And Taobao store: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=694413006667

So, i think there are several manufacturers, at least two, and there a few reason for that, the first one is the frame weight difference is tremendous, 16750 (eisen) and 2045 (taobao), which is huge difference, the second one is that Taobao store have 2023 replica of Madone already, but eisen is planning to release their in April.

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2) Frame photos, i collected all the photos from Aliexpress sellers:

Eisen: https://ibb.co/album/LYjQkz
Rocking: https://ibb.co/album/xXdb8d

So, what i learned is that these pictures are low quality, so it's really hard to judge the quality of the frame, i asked sellers to send me high resolution photos, haven't received them yet. But, here are close shots that i already have (all photos from rocking store, waiting photos from eisen, taobao seller didn't want to send high res photos):

BB:https://ibb.co/xMkN9BB https://ibb.co/g7BMn5r https://ibb.co/NjWBXQf
Handlebar: https://ibb.co/9nJFprd https://ibb.co/R3BvkcZ

So, in conclusion, quality is very similar to what Hambini reviewed, Chinarello replica, it has similar problems with BB and some slight imperfection on the stem, but not bad overall.

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3) IsoSpeed, many have concerns regarding it, but i made some research, and it's actually a fairly simple mechanism, my most worried part was damper, i thought it was kind of precise and hard to manufacture thing, but in reality it's just a button with (what seems) elastomer: https://ibb.co/MDhYcV5, which is also mentioned on Trek page: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/inside_trek/isospeed/, so i don't think it's that hard to replicate.

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4) Carbon fiber, they claim that they use T1000 CF, i asked them is this a Toray, but haven't received the reply yet.

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5) If something breaks by your fault, you can buy replacement parts from seller at least Eisen confirmed that you can.


If there will be more information, i will try to share it with you.