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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29+ & 27+ => Topic started by: rideczech on September 02, 2017, 01:37:13 PM
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Ok, so I thought I would start a new thread for the ICAN P9. I am building it up with Fusion Sweep roughcut, RS super deluxe, hope hubs, brakes, stem, 820mm RF carbon bar. Using ICAN 40mm rims and maxxis 2.8 tyre combo.
Still waiting for the shock.
Here is a picture of how it currently stands.
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very nice! Whats the measured BB height from floor to center of BB?
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very nice! Whats the measured BB height from floor to center of BB?
Need to wait for the shock first for an accurate measurement...but it's low!! Around 325-330mm!!
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alright. Thats what I figured. My P8 ended up at 324 with my plus tires aired up to about 25 psi. Its worth it though once you learn to time your pedal strokes all over again. The bike is a ripper through the corners.
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I have 2.8's mounted on 40mm rims... Looking forward to getting it finished. What did your p8 come in at weightwise?
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Give me a little bit here and I'll get a weight on the bike. I have not officially weighed it to be honest.
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29 lbs 14 oz.
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Awesome! I'm trying to decide on which full suspension frame to build, but I'm thinking this is the one.
What's the travel on the fork?
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160mm fork travel....150mm rear.... Looks like it means business for sure....chainstays are very long though, but should be mega stable....hope I can wrestle it through the tight trails here in Czech.
Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com
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We have some VERY tight and twisty uphill single track here in Iowa and after a few rides on the P8 I have zero issue getting it through the turns. I dont think you will have any issue!
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I have ordered some 165mm cranks so I don't need to worry about running a decent amount of sag. Really looking forward to getting the shock and finishing the build!!
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Great minds think alike! I went with 165's as well
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The 210x55 shock that this calls for is delayed for another 50days!! So for the meantime I have found a 210x60....Have check the frame for clearance and all should be well....means for now I'll have 163mm out back!
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The 210x55 shock that this calls for is delayed for another 50days!! So for the meantime I have found a 210x60....Have check the frame for clearance and all should be well....means for now I'll have 163mm out back!
should fit just fine! I know the P8 had plenty of room for a 200x57 when it calls for a 200x51. So I would assume you would be fine with that shock! I would run it all the time.
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The 210x55 shock that this calls for is delayed for another 50days!! So for the meantime I have found a 210x60....Have check the frame for clearance and all should be well....means for now I'll have 163mm out back!
should fit just fine! I know the P8 had plenty of room for a 200x57 when it calls for a 200x51. So I would assume you would be fine with that shock! I would run it all the time.
With the 60mm stroke it'll give me 163mm rear wheel travel. The cross brace contacts the seat tube at around 64/65mm stroke with an eye to eye of 210mm.... I'm also considering on finding a coil shock for it as well....but that can wait for now.... :-).... Shock arrives tomorrow.... :-)
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Some finished build pics.....
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Another one...
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Some more....
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As I couldn't find a 210x55mm shock I have used a 210x60.... giving me 163mm travel out back. Here are a couple of pictures showing clearance under full compression....
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So.... just for people's reference, here are the details:
X-FUSION sweep roughcut fork
Rock shox monarch plus shock
Hope 35/35mm stem
Raceface 6C 820mm bar
Hope tech E4 203/183mm
Hope pro4 hubs
Ican 40mm rims
DT comp spokes
Maxxis high roller 2 2.8, Maxxis Rekon 2.8 setup tubeless
XT 165mm cranks with nutrino components oval 32t XT BB.
SRAM gx mech and shifter, XTR chain 116 links needed, Sunrace 11-50t
X-FUSION Manic dropper, fizik saddle.
XT trail pedals.
Finished weight:14kg/30.86lbs
Hope this is of some use to people.
Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com
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Hi. Great build. Seems like a great bike. Which size is the frame?
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Hi. Great build. Seems like a great bike. Which size is the frame?
It's a Medium frame.... I'm 5ft8 and it fits well....
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Bike looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing how it holds up.
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Bike looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing how it holds up.
Time will tell....It'll be used as my main guiding bike, to it will get plenty of use! :-)
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Bike looks great!! What do you think of it so far? Have you been able to take it out on any proper single track yet??
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Not been ridden in anger yet....been busy with other things....
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Back from the first ride...I have ridden and owned plenty of bikes, (worked as mechanic in bike shop, then opened and ran my own bike shop,as well as bike testing and photo shoots for the mags in the UK) so I certainly know all too well the symptoms of new bike syndrome!! So this is just a damped-down first impression!
The conditions out of the trail were beyond soaking.....5 days of rain.... The trails here are loamy, rooty, rocky. The bike is mega plush(remember that it is currently running a slightly longer stroke shock, giving 163mm out back) Traction from the 2.8's is incredible. The bike claws its way up steep, technical climbs like a mountain goat. Going down is is confidence inspiring to the degree that I hope the bike isn't going to be boring! The very long chainstays keeps things stable for sure, but a little lethargic when it comes to popping over fallen trees etc....but that said this is a completely different beast to anything that I have ridden before. All this said, the condition were horrid today, but I came home with a massive smile on my face and on many parts of the trail I found myself in awe of all the traction! Looking forward to the trails drying out and ripping down some of our tech singletrack finding the limit of this big rubbers traction!
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Back from the first ride...I have ridden and owned plenty of bikes, (worked as mechanic in bike shop, then opened and ran my own bike shop,as well as bike testing and photo shoots for the mags in the UK) so I certainly know all too well the symptoms of new bike syndrome!! So this is just a damped-down first impression!
The conditions out of the trail were beyond soaking.....5 days of rain.... The trails here are loamy, rooty, rocky. The bike is mega plush(remember that it is currently running a slightly longer stroke shock, giving 163mm out back) Traction from the 2.8's is incredible. The bike claws its way up steep, technical climbs like a mountain goat. Going down is is confidence inspiring to the degree that I hope the bike isn't going to be boring! The very long chainstays keeps things stable for sure, but a little lethargic when it comes to popping over fallen trees etc....but that said this is a completely different beast to anything that I have ridden before. All this said, the condition were horrid today, but I came home with a massive smile on my face and on many parts of the trail I found myself in awe of all the traction! Looking forward to the trails drying out and ripping down some of our tech singletrack finding the limit of this big rubbers traction!
Hell yes!! That makes me smile just reading it! My P8 was nearly the same first impressions. Love it! Keep us posted on rides to come!
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I have a guy coming today for a few days guided riding so will get some more time on the bike. I have added some volume spacers to the shock and have it set at just under 30% sag.... feel much more poppy....
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OK....so 2nd ride out....much dryer conditions today. With the added progression to the shock and a little less sag the bike has come alive..... rear end is mega supple, plus tyres feel like cheating!, and 820mm bars let you really exploit the extra traction.... Feel sorry for my riding buddy when we get out on our local! :-)
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OK....so 2nd ride out....much dryer conditions today. With the added progression to the shock and a little less sag the bike has come alive..... rear end is mega supple, plus tyres feel like cheating!, and 820mm bars let you really exploit the extra traction.... Feel sorry for my riding buddy when we get out on our local! :-)
very nice!! Love it man!
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I have about 25 hours on the bike now.
The long wheelbase combined with the low BB showed itself to be a bit of a problem on our super steep and tight trail yesterday.
Without a doubt the wheelbase could be shorter. But that said on faster trails it's not a big deal.
Also the extra 5mm stroke isn't helping me with clearance. With the correct 55mm stroke shock I will be running with more BB clearance which should help on the techy steep trails.
Still looking at making it more poppy.... I reckon with plus tyres 140mm out back is plenty for most with a 150/160 out front. If the P8 was slacker by 2 degrees it would be just the ticket!!
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Love your build. I plan on building the P8 very soon, then running an adjustable headset if I feel it needs to be more slack.
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Love your build. I plan on building the P8 very soon, then running an adjustable headset if I feel it needs to be more slack.
Can you tell me where you can find an adjustable headset for IS42/IS52 (what is used on all the chiners)? I searched a lot and only found that it wasn't possible because of lack of space.
Thanks!
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You cannot. They do not exist with integrated headsets like these.
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Gonna crash your post with my P9 - cept i built it 29er style - Large, 5'11.
1) I'm surprised you found a 210x60mm shock. I had the same issue with the Super Deluxe delays so i just said screw it.
2) I tuned my whole setup at whistler bike park and this thing is too unreal. I love it.
I came from a 2016 Reign 27.5 Medium which was smaller and slacker. I am very happy with with the 66.5 HA with my current setup from riding a Norco c9.1 Large, my issues was that the wheelbase was so long from the slackness+29, i couldn't handle it properly. Turns in and out of berms was on the Norco required a lot of body english, overall just felt it required much more finesse than required. With this p9 as a slightly steeper HA - 66.5ish, it felt right - agile like the Reign, but much longer and much faster.
My Specs:
DVO Diamond Boost - 150mm (currently at 66.5 degrees HA - 160mm would make it 66 degrees)
DVO Topaz - 210x55 (22mm bushing top and bottom, 150mm travel)
GX Eagle Drivetrain
Magura Trail Sport Brakes (203/180)
Spank Oozt 345 Trail CX Ray - DHR II 2.4 WT DC
Giant 150mm Dropper (2017 - internal routing)
SDG Fly Mtn Saddle
Answer SL 780mm Bar
Husselfelt 40mm Stem
Lizardskin frame and Chainstay Protector
OneUp Composite Pedals
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Gonna crash your post with my P9 - cept i built it 29er style - Large, 5'11.
1) I'm surprised you found a 210x60mm shock. I had the same issue with the Super Deluxe delays so i just said screw it.
2) I tuned my whole setup at whistler bike park and this thing is too unreal. I love it.
I came from a 2016 Reign 27.5 Medium which was smaller and slacker. I am very happy with with the 66.5 HA with my current setup from riding a Norco c9.1 Large, my issues was that the wheelbase was so long from the slackness+29, i couldn't handle it properly. Turns in and out of berms was on the Norco required a lot of body english, overall just felt it required much more finesse than required. With this p9 as a slightly steeper HA - 66.5ish, it felt right - agile like the Reign, but much longer and much faster.
My Specs:
DVO Diamond Boost - 150mm (currently at 66.5 degrees HA - 160mm would make it 66 degrees)
DVO Topaz - 210x55 (22mm bushing top and bottom, 150mm travel)
GX Eagle Drivetrain
Magura Trail Sport Brakes (203/180)
Spank Oozt 345 Trail CX Ray - DHR II 2.4 WT DC
Giant 150mm Dropper (2017 - internal routing)
SDG Fly Mtn Saddle
Answer SL 780mm Bar
Husselfelt 40mm Stem
Lizardskin frame and Chainstay Protector
OneUp Composite Pedals
Crash away....great to see a 29er build....
Looks sweet.....how is the shock going?
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Still don't have it dialed in yet. I know I can get it to feel like a coil which it does now, but I'm bottoming out too often. I do think feel like I am but the sag marker tells me otherwise.
I am totally interested in your 27.5plus setup too, but I have my reserves about why go plus sizing when 29 gets you more volume (not as much as plus but more than 27.5) and faster rolling.
I am basing it off the trails of West coast canada though.
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....going plus sized was a bit of a risk/experiment. I love super steep tech climbs and was interested in the traction benefits.... So far so good...the traction is incredible...I'm quite light at 65kgs and with running 40mm external rims, sidewall support seems fine at the low pressures.... Compared to my mates Slash 9.8 it feels a bit more nimble....
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A few photos with clearance might be useful for other people interested in doing a 29er build....
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A few photos with clearance might be useful for other people interested in doing a 29er build....
Indeed, it would be interesting.
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here's photos of the tire clearance. there's about 10mm on 29 DHRII 2.4 Wide Trails, enough space for me to put a rear mud guard if i wanted!
as for fully compressed, i don't have photos for that. My seat is moved 80% all the way up front and when shock (metric 210x55) is fully compressed, it doesn't hit the seat or post or frame. I think there's at least 20mm before it touches my seat when dropped all the way down + full compression of the shock
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Nice! Thank you!
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What is your BB height with the 29er build?
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What is your BB height with the 29er build?
330mm to centre of the BB
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@rideczech, how are you liking the bike man?? Have you had anymore time on it? Is the length still a problem, or have you gotten used to it? Still absolutely loving my P8, but still get the occasional pedal strike now and then.
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Plenty more hours on the bike.... Also suffer with pedal strikes on our more technical trails... mainly traverse stuff.
The bike is mega planted.... still looking for a bit more pop. I guess I like a lively feeling bike. Still running the 60mm stroke shock... so hoping less travel will give me what I'm looking for!
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Yes, traverse and tree roots. But I will say the more I ride it, the less they happen. So clearly learning pedal position is prevailing.
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A few more build pictures here: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rideczechmtb/photos/?tab=album&album_id=807672596060058
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Hey rideczech... Hope you don't mind if I upload these pics directly to the forum.. bike is too sweet for anyone to miss it. Great build, man. If I were to do a build right now I would most likely build it pretty much exactly as you have it. Only thing I might change would be going with the p8 instead of the p9, not sure.
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Now that you have time on the bike.. is there anything you would do differently if you were to start over?
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Now that you have time on the bike.. is there anything you would do differently if you were to start over?
Overall I'm very pleased with the build, It is 14kg on the nose and to have gone lighter would have added unreasonable costs. I'm still waiting on the 210x55 shock and hoping the bike will be a little more poppy with less rear wheel travel. Plus tyres have many advantages, but do make things a little lazy. I still think the FS27(with correct travel 122mm??) would be more fun and lively. Once into bigger faster terrain, the P9 is a blast. I think the p8 built up longer travel 200x57 and a 140mm up front would be a great all rounder! Just would need to be a little slacker for my liking!
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Spot the new part!
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Whens the first ride happening :D ??
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ah, you got your new shock! nice.
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Whens the first ride happening :D ??
Depends on the weather!! ::)
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Hoping to put an X Fusion Trace 36 on the bike once the forks become available.... axle to crown is 20mm longer than the Sweep, so will slacken it out a bit, more inline with where it should be..... :-)
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Just wondering, did you guys get your P9s directly from ICAN? I've tried contacting them about getting one but no replies.
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When did you contact them first? We’re right around Chinese New Year, so there’s a good chance that they are on vacation.
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I e-mailed Melody at Ican around the beginning of December, paid for a P9 frame and wheelset near the middle of the month and they just shipped everything on the 4th and sent me photos and tracking numbers. She said US customs refuses packages sometime in December so had to wait till after the first.
I don't think Chinese new year is till around mid February, I made sure to ask and make sure my frame would ship before then!
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Interesting. Not sure why they wouldn’t respond then. I work directly with some factories overseas for my job and communication with them can be hit or miss. It seems like there is less urgency to respond in a timely manor. Could just be a cultural difference. Are you saying that they haven’t responded to emails since they sent the images and tracking?
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No replies since I said thanks for the pictures and tracking number, but that's not too far out of line at this point. I do recall a day or two delay when first contacting them now that I think about it, looking at other frames and not finding much else I liked in comparison... Maybe they're busy with other customers who contacted them first?
Hope they reply to you soon!
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http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1303.0;attach=1987;image
@rideczech, is this painted on or decal/sticker? If the later, customize or store bought?
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Hi there,
Do you believe this frame would accept a 216x63 shock, shimmed internally to become a 216 x 60? These shocks are available so easy(=cheap) compared to the "new" metric shocks... and the 6mm offset could be reduced to just 2mm with the use of offset bushings, so it would effectively be 212x60 shock.
I love the looks of this frame compared to the P8, it looks so much "strong and fierce".
BR
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I believe that would be fine, 212mm at least. I see roughly 3-5mm of clearance to the seat tube from the rocker arm when eyeballing 8.375" center to center. I am using a tape measure, can't think of a more accurate way to measure.
I don't have the right hardware to mount my rear shock yet to show you exact clearance with a 210mm either!
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http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1303.0;attach=1987;image
@rideczech, is this painted on or decal/sticker? If the later, customize or store bought?
It's a vinyl sticker that you can get on eBay.... I have since taken it off as I preferred the stealth look!
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Guys,
Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.
I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.
Thanks for your input.
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Guys,
Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.
I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.
Thanks for your input.
Large without doubt. I'm 173 on a medium running a 35mm stem 820mm bars. I wouldn't want the length any shorter that's for sure!
Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com
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Guys,
Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.
I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.
Thanks for your input.
Large without doubt. I'm 173 on a medium running a 35mm stem 820mm bars. I wouldn't want the length any shorter that's for sure!
Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com
I wouldn't be that sure. I'm 178 with a 89cm inseam, riding a L.
But my next bike will probably be a M, seating higher, but the worst is having a too long top tube.
The best is to measure your current bike.
Measure the distance from the back of your saddle to the bar.
The drop between your saddle and the bar.
And the horizontal distance between the back of your saddle and the bottom bracket.
Do your homework on the geometry file M and L, reporting those dimensions to it.
And you will see which one is best.
If in the middle, choose the smaller one.
It is much easier to put a longer stem, some headset spacers and back up the saddle, than shortening the top tube ;)
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The thing is, I own a 100mm travel, 26", XC bike from 2011. Geometries have changed quite a lot, nor do I want to have the exact fit on the new bike.
I have done half of the work, and this weekend I will translate the measurements I took from my bike and make a three some comparison.
So far, I only have the P9 on both M & L, fitted with 29"x 2.2 wheels, 210mm long shock, Fox 34 140mm, 40mm 0º stem, 35mm flat bar, 170 crankset... This is a pretty basic scheme, just to get the numbers I care about.
The only number I really know from my bike is that distance top of saddle-center of BB is 74cm.
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The thing is, I own a 100mm travel, 26", XC bike from 2011. Geometries have changed quite a lot, nor do I want to have the exact fit on the new bike.
I have done half of the work, and this weekend I will translate the measurements I took from my bike and make a three some comparison.
So far, I only have the P9 on both M & L, fitted with 29"x 2.2 wheels, 210mm long shock, Fox 34 140mm, 40mm 0º stem, 35mm flat bar, 170 crankset... This is a pretty basic scheme, just to get the numbers I care about.
The only number I really know from my bike is that distance top of saddle-center of BB is 74cm.
140mm fork is too short for the P9. 29 x 2.2 tyres are also on the skinny side. From the specs you have mentioned it sounds like you would be better off with the P8.
No point comparing old style geo.... The 74deg seat tube angle and slacker head angle effectively shortens the virtual top tube measurement.
Fair enough using a shock with a smaller stroke but same eye to eye, that is fine, but you need to think about the axle to crown measurement of the fork to maintain the BB height and frame angles.
Also you have to consider bar width. I run 820mm bars which also adds a little extra reach. Gone are the days where bars were the same width as your shoulders!!
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I know P8 would adapt better, but I am deeply in love of the P9 looks. That's why I write here ;)
BB heigth is not extremely low. I put 170mm cranks to minimise pedal strikes, which i never get with my current bike.
My idea might be a bit different from pure Enduro bike, but I had a 07 Kona Stinky that i loved to ride, except for the cramped position to make long rides on it and the overweight. My freeride days are gone, but I'm willing to have some fun with the bike again. My current bike is not that fun to ride :/
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I know P8 would adapt better, but I am deeply in love of the P9 looks. That's why I write here ;)
BB heigth is not extremely low. I put 170mm cranks to minimise pedal strikes, which i never get with my current bike.
My idea might be a bit different from pure Enduro bike, but I had a 07 Kona Stinky that i loved to ride, except for the cramped position to make long rides on it and the overweight. My freeride days are gone, but I'm willing to have some fun with the bike again. My current bike is not that fun to ride :/
I would still be tempted to try and maintain the fork height..... Also you could find a 210x52.5mm stroke shock for cheap. From some Trek bikes I think....
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Well, I went to a real bike shop this past WE. I could try, static, several bikes, including 29" Scott Spark size M, Spark RC size L, and 27.5 Giant Anthem size L.
I also measured my current xc machine.
My bike's TT is 595mm. And from center seat to center handlebar I have 685mm.
Spark in size M felt a little short, pretty much like my bike. A look at the geometry chart from Scott reveals TT 605mm, and 60mm stem.
Spark RC size L is more XC oriented and unfortunately the seatpost was fixed and too high. It didn't felt bad though. TT 630 and stem 80mm.
Anthem 27.5 size M felt perfect. This one has 625mm TT and 60mm stem.
This leads me to think that if I had to choose for a given size, I would go for P9 size L and adjust length with stem around 40mm.
Now I just have to choose, P9 or Lightcarbon LCFS711 with 130mm fork......
Thanks all for your support
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Just thought you guys might like to see this. It looks like Evolve Bikes out of Canada just released a new bike. It does come with a Cane Creek shock and a lifetime warranty though.
https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset
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Just thought you guys might like to see this. It looks like Evolve Bikes out of Canada just released a new bike. It does come with a Cane Creek shock and a lifetime warranty though.
https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset
Yep, those Cane Creek shocks really are expensive!
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Just thought you guys might like to see this. It looks like Evolve Bikes out of Canada just released a new bike. It does come with a Cane Creek shock and a lifetime warranty though.
https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset
Yep, those Cane Creek shocks really are expensive!
It’s like buying a counterfeit bike but in reverse. Is that even possible?? ???
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They are being a little deceptive with the head angle, 66.1 is the spec on the general drawing and it's 66.9 on a more detailed drawing of a medium frame and that is all with 571mm ATC fork, not a 160mm. That's kinda far off from 65, more like 68... Cane creek 40 headset, I thought the P9 was like the P8 and could not use press in offset headset? Am I missing something? I did not miss that the axle to crown dimension is strangely missing from the site ::)
Here is the detailed drawing I mentioned earlier.
https://s17.postimg.org/96mfjdjgt/P9-275_PLUS-_M-_Model.jpg
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Spot on there.
I have just ordered an 18mm crown race to slacken things out.....
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Rideczech, fill me in on this if you would please!! Can I use this on my P8? Is it an offset bearing for the headset? If so this is news to me.
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Rideczech, fill me in on this if you would please!! Can I use this on my P8? Is it an offset bearing for the headset? If so this is news to me.
Nah....It's just a deeper crown race to lift the front of the bike a little as the Sweep HLR's are a little short axle to crown.....
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Rideczech, fill me in on this if you would please!! Can I use this on my P8? Is it an offset bearing for the headset? If so this is news to me.
Nah....It's just a deeper crown race to lift the front of the bike a little as the Sweep HLR's are a little short axle to crown.....
and where did you find one in the 18mm variety? I would love to get an 18mm or 20mm crown race for my P8. Slacken it out another degree or so!
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This should do it.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F262344350511
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I searched and searched for such a thing and wasn't able to find it!
It certainly opens up the fork selection for the P9 quite a bit! Too cool, wonder why they aren't more popular like shock offset bushings.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Production-Privee-Headset-Extension-18mm/322722633987?epid=2226274538&hash=item4b23c49903:g:8vQAAOSwor1aZ3WI
This is what I got....
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Thanks guys! I searched all over and couldnt find a darn thing!
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Guys,
Does this frame use a normal crankset(chainline 49mm), or a boost version(chainline 52mm)?
Thanks
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The BB width is 73mm, I used a 3mm sram eagle boost offset chainring and standard 68/73mm GXP BSA BB with no spacers. I think that means you'd want the 52mm chainline, if I'm not mistaken.
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Thank ypu!
Yes, it's boost with 52mm chainline.
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When ordering from Ican how much did you guys pay?
Would a 200x57 shock work on the P9? Does anyone know how much travel a 200x57 gives on a P8?
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That 200x57 may cause problems.
From pictures, there's around 63mm of "stroke" before the seatstays contact the seat tube. That's with a 210mm long shock. So when the shock is shorter than 210-63= 147mm, there's contact on the frame.
Your 200x57 shock, fully compressed, will be 200-57= 143mm, ths there's huge potential for a frame impact on chainstays arch.
The P8 with 57mm stroke should be around 136mm travel at the rear wheel.
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Cool dude! Im trying to learn everything i can about the P9 and P8.
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Your x fusion Forks are they 29 or 27.5. Thank you
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Sorry just realized they only come in 27.5 thanks. Do you think that 27.5x3.0 tyres would fit. Thanks
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I had a 2.8 high roller 2 and was fine... will be tight but I don't really know... sorry!
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Hey guys first of all I'm pretty much new to the mountain bikes, I bought my first bike without checking the current trends and ended up wanting a new bike sooner than I expected, anyway I read your posts and was motivated to make my build too and well since I didn't know much about it, I heavily based upon your builds ;D
Dvo diamond 150mm boost
Dvo topaz 210x55mm 22x8mm mounting hardware
Slx groupset
Slx 30t front, sunrace m80 11-50t back
Kmc x11 118 links
27.5+ 2.8 hrII front, reckon back mounted on famous icans 40mm
Hope hubs, hope disc brakes 180mm front n back
Hope tech3 e4 brakes
Fusion-x manic dropper, raceface aeffect seat
Raceface sixc bars, 35mm funn stem, answer stein grips
Various cheap chinese parts
Some build notes:
The rear shifter cable goes great under the rear shock pivot
The dropper cable can be completely stealth.
The rear brake hose can enter through the impossible port next to the shock, I used a dremel to remove the border there such that the hose wouldn't get cut.
Chainline is not great with 50t so I changed the bb spacer from drive to non drive side.
Medium cage rear derailleur works fine for such a big rear gear.
I've tested my bike now and I still need to get it dialed a bit but I think I'm getting there, bike climbs very well (and the 30t helps a lot!), rear brake still needs more bleeding and the wheels needs less pressure they are 13 front and 15 back right now maybe 1 psi less each side will do it.
I already have some future plans:
change front chainring to 32 or 34t
change the front disc brake to 203mm
travel change to 160mm, maybe add spacer crown race to improve HA
build 29 wheels for it
paint it rad ibis hd3 blue and red style
print dvo red stickers (i have the svg files if anyone wants them)
As a final note I started this project without having any prior knowledge of how to build a bike (or wheels for that matter) and it wasn't as hard ad I thought although some mechanical experience is very recommended, I did learn a lot however, wheels were difficult to get right. Thanks for your build logs without them I wouldn't have made it.
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Finally, the day arrived. This morning I made the payment for a nice, Large, matt UD P9 frame.
:)
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@Deepsense, which size is it?
For guys with a size L frame, what is the minimun length, seatpost extended, that you have from mid BB to top of the saddle? And which dropper post are you using?
I am planning the remaining components to buy, and have to choose 125 or 150mm dropper post. I' not sure my short legs will be able to handle a 150mm post, thus this question arises.
Thanks
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it's an M, have a look at the ST spec in the geo, you can add the dropper size to that and know if it's in the ballpark of the length you need
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According to these diagrams I would be 5mm short-legged to use a 150mm dropper post :(
I will have to wait until I have the whole bike assembled with a fixed seat post to take measurements. I see the zone for the seat clamp seems quite long, so I may cut a bit from there and search for the most compact dropper post :)
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I think that it is more a matter of preference, 125mm of travel fits me well enough (plus you can always stick more of the dropper out of the post) but I can see the benefit of longer travels with larger legs.
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It arrived! I'm so happy with it.
Feels damn solid. Seems massive. I'm eager to get all the parts, but I know it'll take some time yet.
Bearings move like they should, but given that I don't think I'll have all the parts in the next 3 weeks, i have plenty of time to get a complete tear down and put some extra grease where needed.
My frame, size L, with the plastic linkage support that comes instead of a shock and rear axle, weights 2820grams.
My build kit will be:
Sr Suntour Triair Manitou Mcleod with 6mm inside spacer to make 210x57 shock McLeod sold
2017 RS Pike rct3 160mm (27.5/29" version) (order cancelled by RCZ) RS Revelation 2018 + 2019 debonair 160mm air shaft
DT Swiss E1900 wheelset
Mavic Crossride Quest tires (+ tubes)
Sram XX1 shifter
Sram X1 Derailleur
Sram PG-1180 cassette (11s, 10-42)
Shimano XTR 9020 crankset (32t) Sram Xo Carbon crankset, 30t
Shimano bb Sram BB
Truvativ Holzfeller 40mm stem
Nuke Proof Horizon bar(15mm, 780mm)
Brand-X or TranzX 125mm dropper post (not bought yet) OneUp 150mm dropper post
Specialized Phenom saddle
Sram Guide RE front brake and Guide R rear brake Formula Cura brakes
Shimano Xt pedals/flats, depending of the day!
Silicone grips Random Lock on grips.
The shock will not be in stock before 19 of july, and most of the other items were bough in "RCZ" in pre-sale events, thus they may take some time to show up around here. Long build, but the potential for fun of the frame seems awesome.
Edit: some changes due to availability and that thing about looking for good prices and having an open mind about component selection.
Edit(2020) with the components i am currently using
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Hey, another newbie here, was about to buy a polygon but then had a crazy idea to build my own, so a little help please :)
Currently ride a basic 29er, but think i might as well give it a shot of buying a 'real' bike. 6'3" /190cm, 205 pounds, 93kg. I don't do any crazy riding, just the local trails.
so questions?
Whats the recommended fork for a P9?
Merli has a deal on Rockshox Yari RC DebonAir Boost Forks 29", but only in 170mm, is that too long?
Any other frames you would recommend instead of the P9.
If i go ICAN, any recommendations for carbon wheels?
Am I crazy to build my own bike as a novice?
Shimano XT8000 groupset 1x11, 32f, or similar in sram.
What else do I need??? (seat dropper, headset, stem, handlebar, rubber, hangers, rear axel)
THANKS!!!
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Am I crazy to build my own bike as a novice?
You will never regret starting this learning process.
You'll know perfectly your bike. Able to detect and fix any defect immediately, preventing any further damages.
Expect some mistakes and some nervous moment at the beginning.
Avoid big problems: Never over-tighten anything, no need really of a dynamometric wrench, just re-tighten a little if something gets loose.
And never cut something: fork steerer, hoses, chain, bar, seatpost without having measured it twice.
For the groupset from my experience the GX Eagle is much better than the M8000.
Do your homework, by visiting a bit more this forum, you will be able to find various component lists.
When building the list. Take care of the compatibility of the contact points of your bike:
- Headtube, headset and fork
- Bottom bracket and crankset
- Rear and front axle types with the wheels
- Frame design for the shock and compatible versions
- Seat tube and seat post/dropper
And we will help you ;)
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+1 to what carbonazza said.
The fork will be good. Unless you are willing to use at some point extra large 29x2.8 tires, you can get the 27,5/29" version. I got the 29 and the tire seems stupid skinny in there, even at 29x2.25.
The headset is included with the frame.
The seatpost has to be 30.9mm
The rear axle is boost, so 12x148mm.
The bb is classic threaded BSA 68/73mm
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Thanks guys, been really helpful so farit's coming along well so far I think.
Couple more questions, where to you buy your ICAN frames from? I'm currently dealing with Allen from icancycling.com
But I'm not sure if he's official or just some reseller adding margin.
Also having a hard time finding a good deal on 210x55 shock, how close does it have to be in each dimension???? Thanks guys!!!
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I contacted ican directly through their mail and got in touch with "Melody".
http://www.icanbikes.com/index.html
I payed 590usd for the frame and 130 for EMS shipping to Spain.
You can ask ican about shocks, they offered me a RS superdeluxe rct3 for 240usd, but instead, I chose a Sr Suntour triair at 280eur . Since the suntour is out of stock until september, I bought a Manitou McLeod 216x63 that fits as is, no frame contact at full compresion nor at full extension, but I put a 6mm spacer in the air can to limit length and travel to 210x57mm. I knew that the Manitou could be shortened without much hassle, and does affect the air chambers that much.
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Thanks Chetos!!! That's 100 less than Allen is quoting me... So I'll take your deal if I can get it. Didn't realise they offer the shock too, it's a fair deal @240
Fork and Shimano gear all arrived today.... Getting excited!
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I love my P9.
The suspension is very sensitive, and with the Mcleod on the "closed" IPA, it pedals quite well. It climbs very well, just my legs&lungs are not up to the task.
The geometry is comfortable and the ride is "nimble".
The fixed seatpost with offset is what I had at home. For my home trails I don't really need a dropper, but I will move soon to Switzerland and thus, dropper will be advantage. I will use on bikeparks.
Handling is great. I only have 3 days in the dirt and it has been a lot of trail riding, on twisty slow lines. So far, so good. I love the endless feel of the 160mm Revelation up front.
I installed a protection kit from dyedbro.com and it gives a very nice look for my taste.
I still have to cut the brake lines to correct length, and remove a bit of steerer tube and change the spacer, I believe it's still too tall on the front.
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Very nice!!! Who did the graphics on the bike???
I don't know which bike to buy, turns out the P9 is not available in XL despite their website saying otherwise :(
I'm 190cm/6'3", would I fit on a Large??? She's also not selling 20" wheels with it :/
Other option is the S8, but the 170mm fork I got will probably ruin the geometry???
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Graphics:
https://dyedbro.bigcartel.com/category/frame-protectors (https://dyedbro.bigcartel.com/category/frame-protectors)
The feeling about the size is quite personal, and how you like the bikes. I like long ones and my L is ok. Could be longer, or I could have gone for a 50mm stem instead of the 40mm one but overall feeling is quite good. M frame would be too short for my liking.
Ican told me the same, that the P9 is 27'5 and they only offered me those wheels. I ended buying DT Swiss E1900 boost for cheap in RCZ bikeshop- beware, they took 6 weeks from buying to actually receiving them-
The S8 is an XC frame, 100mm rear travel...... no way comparable to P9.
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Hey guys,
how are you doing with your P9´s?
Mine is meeting some interesting places in the alps, bikeparks included. Unfortunately my tires are not up to the task when they have to deal against sharp rocks, so next season I'll put aggresive reinforced threads instead of rounded, nimble and light tires. It's hard to have this bike as a 1 for all bike since it's such a pleasure to go downhill with her..... but in Switzerland, it's either a bikepark or a high level uphill to get to those spots!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R2L22ugXekscENDH9
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Is anyone running a coil shock setup? Just curious if it bobs a lot when pedaling?
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This is why the 8.5 x 2.5 shock looks interesting. It’s a very common size and broadens the options. Even if it needs some minor finessing with offset bushings and/or some travel limit shims, based on the feedback it should be doable
That 200x57 may cause problems.
From pictures, there's around 63mm of "stroke" before the seatstays contact the seat tube. That's with a 210mm long shock. So when the shock is shorter than 210-63= 147mm, there's contact on the frame.
Your 200x57 shock, fully compressed, will be 200-57= 143mm, ths there's huge potential for a frame impact on chainstays arch.
The P8 with 57mm stroke should be around 136mm travel at the rear wheel.
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Is anyone running a coil shock setup? Just curious if it bobs a lot when pedaling?
There’s a video on youtube about the norco range linkage which I belive is what the p9 is modeled after, also the p9 profile is uploded into the linkage software db so you can see the actual values.
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Hey guys,
how are you doing with your P9´s?
Mine is meeting some interesting places in the alps, bikeparks included. Unfortunately my tires are not up to the task when they have to deal against sharp rocks, so next season I'll put aggresive reinforced threads instead of rounded, nimble and light tires. It's hard to have this bike as a 1 for all bike since it's such a pleasure to go downhill with her..... but in Switzerland, it's either a bikepark or a high level uphill to get to those spots!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R2L22ugXekscENDH9
Bike looks nice! I haven’t ridden mine in a while, front brake malfunctioned so I’m waiting for the spares to fix them, will post some pics once I start riding again.
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Folks,
How would you rate the rear suspension of your P9?
I dont know if it is the design itself, or my shock not matching at all my frame, but when compression is fully open for descents, i have a feeling like a flat tire on the back, getting easily up to mid travel, but getting full travel is quite hard.
The manitou mcleod is quite simple to set, but even though i cant get a good feeling on my suspension.
How does your rear susp feel?
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Folks,
How would you rate the rear suspension of your P9?
I dont know if it is the design itself, or my shock not matching at all my frame, but when compression is fully open for descents, i have a feeling like a flat tire on the back, getting easily up to mid travel, but getting full travel is quite hard.
The manitou mcleod is quite simple to set, but even though i cant get a good feeling on my suspension.
How does your rear susp feel?
The linkage is progressive so after mid travel the more the shaft moves into the shock, the more force that is needed. Mine felt pretty good, small bump compliance was fine and progressiveness allowed me to hit some jumps without going full travel even without bands in the positive chamber, but at 30% sag I was having lots of pedal strikes. I changed the bushings to needle bearings which makes the shock move more freely, this allowed me to up the psi's a lot more and that helped with the pedal strikes.
I guess if you are not getting full travel and would like to you can try those bearings, just remember to increase the pressure or add some tokens or bands to the shock.
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Would adding a little more sag, along with a little more dampening help?
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Folks,
How would you rate the rear suspension of your P9?
I dont know if it is the design itself, or my shock not matching at all my frame, but when compression is fully open for descents, i have a feeling like a flat tire on the back, getting easily up to mid travel, but getting full travel is quite hard.
The manitou mcleod is quite simple to set, but even though i cant get a good feeling on my suspension.
How does your rear susp feel?
From the other replies on here, it sounds like you need a more linear (higher volume) shock to match the progressive frame. Are you running a king can on that McLeod?
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Well, I tried more air pressure along with a tiny bit more rebound to keep things under control and I liked the suspension more today. I didn't have that vague feeling in the rear.
I have a std McLeod shock and air can, and today went from 200 psi to 220psi (I weight 230lbs ready for combat).
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Hi guys,
Just ordered the frame, will post another thread for build. For the mounting hardware, what size would i get for top and bottom( will be looking at 210x55 coil). Thanks in advanced
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Hi guys,
Just ordered the frame, will post another thread for build. For the mounting hardware, what size would i get for top and bottom( will be looking at 210x55 coil). Thanks in advanced
22x8mm for both, if using bearings 21,85 works just fine.
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Hi guys,
Just ordered the frame, will post another thread for build. For the mounting hardware, what size would i get for top and bottom( will be looking at 210x55 coil). Thanks in advanced
22x8mm for both, if using bearings 21,85 works just fine.
thanks for the reply! before seeing your message i had two responses from ican. 22x8 and 22.2x8.
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Hi Guys
This post has been dormant for a while but before I go start another, "My ICAN P9 thread", Let me ask the question here.
Has anyone put a 150mm fork on one? I see most of you have 160-170 mm forks. I'm going to be riding mine with a 210x52.5mm RS Deluxe which is internally adjustable to 55mm for 150mm travel, but I just want to see If I really need the extra travel as I will be riding all over with mine. There are no uplifts and I ride singletracks most days with the odd Enduro race thrown in.
How bad does it affect the HA? The axel to crown length is about 560mm while the geometry chart has a 570 in there. Pity It doesn't have a High and Low setting. Perhaps something to make aftermarket at the top shock mount.
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They say that in this class of bikes, 10mm of fork travel equal to 0.5° head angle. You really have to be super pro to feel that, when sag can affect much more than that. But placebo effect is huge!
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Hey guys,
how are you doing with your P9´s?
Been a while, but its definitely getting a lot more usage in the covid times. The bike itself is running great, absolutely no issues other than those I cause myself, so thanks for the help putting it together ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Mine too is going strong :)
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I contacted ican directly through their mail and got in touch with "Melody".
http://www.icanbikes.com/index.html
I payed 590usd for the frame and 130 for EMS shipping to Spain.
You can ask ican about shocks, they offered me a RS superdeluxe rct3 for 240usd, but instead, I chose a Sr Suntour triair at 280eur . Since the suntour is out of stock until september, I bought a Manitou McLeod 216x63 that fits as is, no frame contact at full compresion nor at full extension, but I put a 6mm spacer in the air can to limit length and travel to 210x57mm. I knew that the Manitou could be shortened without much hassle, and does affect the air chambers that much.
I also bought the frame and the wheelset. Unfortunaly in 27,5 650b (i missunderstood, the frame Seen to be disigned for 27,5+/29er)
Did the linkage worked smooth with 216x63?
I Plan to get vivid air in this size anduse as IT IS (when the linkage work smooth and right in this size) or shorten the Hub lengh to 60 mm .
Then i should stay Higher with the crank.
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How does everyone find the p9? Still a good buy in 2020? I see everyone talking about different shock sizes, can a shock be put on to increase travel to 155 or 160 without any frame contact?
Waiting on the Santa Cruz frame but starting to get impatient so might switch to the p9.
I am 6 foot, would the large feel big enough? Love big bikes. Any issues people have had?
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How does everyone find the p9? Still a good buy in 2020? I see everyone talking about different shock sizes, can a shock be put on to increase travel to 155 or 160 without any frame contact?
Waiting on the Santa Cruz frame but starting to get impatient so might switch to the p9.
I am 6 foot, would the large feel big enough? Love big bikes. Any issues people have had?
The Geometrie doesnt Look as bed. One User said before that 216*63 fitted in. But i Hope He will reply in my question about linkage If IT work right with this size. Also need to be Care of BB hight. I ordered my frame this week early. But it will Take some time to get to me because of WXY shipping.. i think in 20-30 days i can Tell more.
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from what i can see with the frame is the exact same for the evolve alpha 29 (https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29#specs-geometry_1) and alpha 27.5 (https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-27-5#specs-geometry_1). The 29er uses a 210x55 shock and the 27.5 uses a 216x63 shock, so the frame must be okay for the level of suspension, wonder would having 165mm with 29er wheels work?
I am currently in contact with Perry @ Ican about getting a custom painted (evil bikes my boy blue, Pantone 7466C Matte) p9.
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Mine is almost ready 2 ride now, only thing is missing is new fork (mezzer pro).
Frame Looks great, the color is awesome. Paint quality is also great.
My Setup for the rest of the year:
Frame Site L
Ican Carbon wheelset 27,5 (650b) 30mm inside with and novatec hubs with 2,5" assagai Front and 2,4 dhr 2 rear. Both Double down.
29" pike rtc3 @160mm (will be replaced next season by manitou mezzer pro in 27.5" @180mm)
Vivid Air rc2 216mm x 63,5mm
Shigura brakes. Deore xt leavers + Magura mt5 Stopper. Front 220mm and rear 203mm Magura Discs. Jagwire hoses (silver carbon)
Oneup dropperpost v2.1 180mm. Jagwire in silver carbon also.
Chinese carbon Riserbar 800mm x 35mm clamp Diameter.
Eagle gx drivetrain 175mm cranks + jagwire Shift cable in silver carbon also.
Drove allready at Home trails. Feels great at descending. Will try it at Weekend in Bikepark. But still have a great feel about the Bike.
Here some Pics, had Problem to Upload Thema directly due the size limitation.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1UTcj21K-NIYQ_IpKYhts2rBmK7110RFG
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How do you find the frame clearance with the 216x63 shock? Thinking of pairing that with 170mm @ 29er
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Could try it later this week, have 29er wheelset from my second Bike with dhr 2 2,4inch rear...
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That would be a massive help to me if you could :)
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I updated the Google Drive folder with Photos of clearence with 29inch x2,4 Inch MAXXIS dhr 2. (Vivid Air rc2 216mm *63,5 mm). As you can See,there enough space and shouldnt be a Problem.
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That's great thanks :) how do you think it affected the geometry? Did it raise the bb too high?
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My bb hight on 27,5 650b Front and rear wheels with 29er pike @160mm (equal to 27,5 fork @180mm that will come next season) is round about 330mm-335mm as i remember. with 29er wheels at Same Setup it should be 15-20mm Higher i think...
I dont have the best know how, which geometry values are needed or how Bad the Changes in These are for different ridng Styles. For now, i feel comfortable whith my Setup (tested at hometrails). Will also Drive in Bikepark this Weekend to See how it is. In General, the build is for Parks and Home trails, the climbing ability isnt Important to me at all...and first impressions are pretty great.
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Thanks :) think I'm gonna try the 216x63 coil with a 170mm fork and 29er wheels, hopefully it will go well
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from what i can see with the frame is the exact same for the evolve alpha 29 (https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29#specs-geometry_1) and alpha 27.5 (https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-27-5#specs-geometry_1). The 29er uses a 210x55 shock and the 27.5 uses a 216x63 shock, so the frame must be okay for the level of suspension, wonder would having 165mm with 29er wheels work?
I am currently in contact with Perry @ Ican about getting a custom painted (evil bikes my boy blue, Pantone 7466C Matte) p9.
i am looking for a touch up paint for the evil "my boy blue", did you confirm the 7466c is the correct pantone?
thanks!
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Anybody tried 216x63 shock on a medium frame?
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Hi Gentlemen, there has been some brief mention of headset modifications on page 6, but that was just a spacer under the bottom race. I want to try modify the HA on mine and as far as I can see the only way to do this is by using the https://9point8.ca/collections/slack-r-kits
Has anyone tried something else?