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Chinese Carbon MTB => 26er & 27.5 (650b) => Topic started by: Snacks on September 19, 2021, 04:24:47 PM
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Here's my AM831 build. Going with 27.5 wheels since I want a more nimble bike.
If you're wondering, monsuta is the brand I've been putting on my bikes.
Not sure what "monster" to theme after . Hellcat, demon linx, or maybe kitsune. I was thinking of something fast and agile. I also like the cannondale ,rapha, palace collab bike and was thinking of doing some kind of sticker bomb with some stuff that I've drawn(hence the thread title). In any case there's still time to figure this out.
Part list
Frame :AM831 size S
Drivetrain: Shimano deore m6100
Cassette:sram nx 11-50
Crankset:Goldix shimano direct mount w/34t chainring
Brakes:Meroca mt420
Rotors: sram 203mm r
Chain:Goldix 12 speed oil slick
Stem: ztto 50mm oil slick
Handlebar: race face carbon bars 760mm
Wheels:mach1 trucky 30
Tires: maxxis minion dhf upfront and agressor rear tubless
Fork:sr suntour durolux 36
Shock: rockshox super deluxe select
Hardware :fox 8x30 up front and rockshox 8x23 (which I shaved down a bit ) in the back
Seatpost: KS exo-form 900i dropper 150mm
Saddle:wtb volt
Pedals:tanke tp-50 oil slick
Valve stem: botany 40mm valve stem oils slick
Frame protection- 3M scotchgard pro series
didnt use a reverse angle spacer or any taller crown race yet since the fork doesnt hit the downtube when i take the caps off the fork. dont think it will affect anything with them off. maybe dirt ingress but currently trying to design a low profile version of the caps to 3d print and install . also ordered a couple off of aliexpress hoping they will fit or i can modify them to not hit the frame
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installed the shock. had to grind down the hardware for the rear as it was 8x23 and the space is measuring to 22.86.
i would be rushing through this build so i can head out and ride it but im still waiting on shifter/RD so no point in doing so.
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Finish looks pretty good!
With that white.. I'd go Smallfoot ;)
I'd probably chase (wet and dry) the paint out of the BB shell before installing the bearinsg though.
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Will be interested how it rides with 27.5 wheels, mainly concerned about the low BB height.
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Finish looks pretty good!
With that white.. I'd go Smallfoot ;)
I'd probably chase (wet and dry) the paint out of the BB shell before installing the bearinsg though.
To be honest, the finish is alright . chips around headset and lower link bolts from the factory. its also quite soft, a bolt from the upper link slipped from my hand and hit the downtube and chipped the paint. maybe this is normal but i didnt expect if from a 2-3in drop. so i definitely need to wrap this to keep whats left on the frame.
yea i was thinking a yeti but there seems to be a brand based around that already haha
and definitely cleaned out the bb shell of all paint before installing
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got a lot more done
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i also sanded the inside of the seat post a bit since there was the tiny sliver of what looked like excess resin holding the seat post from going in all the way.
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i just realized i mentioned the seat post but posted other pictures .
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Came out pretty good
(https://i.imgur.com/DDqGjRF.jpg)
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i just realized i mentioned the seat post but posted other pictures .
What is this nice bike stand ?
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What is this nice bike stand ?
Just one that I made from a speaker stand and a wall mount I had laying around.
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Where did you get the decals made?
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Where did you get the decals made?
I made them myself . decided to stick with vinyl over the water slide decals since it seemed like a pain to transfer . i use mecolour printable vinyl and a cricut maker
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Thinking of building some 29" wheels with these hubs for those times I want to swap to some bigger wheels.
Couldn't find many reviews on them but they look like dt swiss 350s. Im hoping they're at least decent .
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqYetgb
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ended up getting the +3mm cane creek crown race . better than nothing but the knob and caps on the fork still hit the middle of the down tube. although, it does clear it completely if i remove those now
(https://i.imgur.com/ews3LOB.jpg)
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Thinking of building some 29" wheels with these hubs for those times I want to swap to some bigger wheels.
Couldn't find many reviews on them but they look like dt swiss 350s. Im hoping they're at least decent .
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqYetgb
There seem to be a lot of DT Swiss 350 clones in AI.
I ordered some Goldix GDX 370 hubs for my FM10 build. They're like most of the other 350 clones, but don't have the cutouts in the HG driver. Being a big guy, that's not a place I want to save weight.
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These are the hubs I ordered: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003097219967.html
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These are the hubs I ordered: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003097219967.html
How have they held up so far?
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I can't say yet. I've only ordered them, they aren't due to arrive for a couple of weeks. And the bike frame won't show up for a couple of weeks afterward.
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Shifter and derailleur finally came in. Delayed for a couple months and of course it gets delivered the day I leave for a week long business trip ;D Luckily neighbors were nice enough to pick it up and make sure they're not damaged
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Also got the decal on one side. Not sure if I like the look though. Was also thinking to try this metallic vinyl. What do you think?
(https://i.imgur.com/nRtLAXW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FhP9UDT.jpg)
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Also got the decal on one side. Not sure if I like the look though. Was also thinking to try this metallic vinyl. What do you think?
I think it looks good but I also think it might look better if the font was bold and/or the letters were closer together. The pattern is definitely my favorite part.
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I think it looks good but I also think it might look better if the font was bold and/or the letters were closer together. The pattern is definitely my favorite part.
Oh that may be why I think it looks off too. I'll try make the font more bold.
BTW if you want the pattern I can send you the pic I used for it
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Put on a bigger bolder decal. I like the way it looks over the previous one, but this one might actually be too big now.
(https://i.imgur.com/92WQwBP.jpg)
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Put on a bigger bolder decal. I like the way it looks over the previous one, but this one might actually be too big now.
(https://i.imgur.com/92WQwBP.jpg)
It is big but it is also a monster, so...
Matching VPP decal too? Where is the oil slick seat post clamp? I am disappointed :)
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It is big but it is also a monster, so...
Matching VPP decal too? Where is the oil slick seat post clamp? I am disappointed :)
Good point! The oversized look of it is growing on me. I think ill print one for the other side
Haha don't you worry , the seat post clamp is on the way. Its the last thing I'm waiting on
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mostly finished the bike. just waiting on new fork decals and the seat post collar . oh and new brake mount adapters
(https://i.imgur.com/VLEQl9k.jpg)
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Looks good!
How much of a pain was it to do the damper body conversion?
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Looks good!
How much of a pain was it to do the damper body conversion?
I feel like it's going to be a pain to do a full service but swapping the damper was actually pretty quick. Just reused the oil but did need new air can lube
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Wow, I personally think it looks awesome. Probably one of my favorite-looking builds here yet. Logo def looks much better after the edit, good suggestion.
Nice build, enjoy!
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Very beautiful build, enjoy the ride :)
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Thank you for the kind words! I'm definitely enjoying it already. Really loving how it rides. Actually on my way to snow valley in big bear to hit a few trails this weekend
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Happy you guys like the frame, thanks for supporting, the full bicycle picture would be appreciated, thanks.
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Happy you guys like the frame, thanks for supporting, the full bicycle picture would be appreciated, thanks.
Do you need me to email it to you? Feel free to use one from this thread
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Do you need me to email it to you? Feel free to use one from this thread
Yes, thanks, it would be perfect if you can send me via emai.
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Looks nice! How do you prevent pedal strikes when using the smaller wheels in a 29er frame?
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Looks nice! How do you prevent pedal strikes when using the smaller wheels in a 29er frame?
Its not really an issue. Considering it's pretty much a hightower and that frame is made for both wheel sizes. Im sure tire choice will change things a bit but there's only about a 2mm difference in bb height between using my 29 and 27in wheels
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Hi, I am also building a bike with 27.5 wheels.. can you please let me know what was the offset for the fork ?
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Hi, I am also building a bike with 27.5 wheels.. can you please let me know what was the offset for the fork ?
The fork offset is 44mm
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The fork offset is 44mm
Thanks a lot..
Couple more more questions, just confirming that the dropper post which I can fit on this frame ( size small ) is
150mm insertion depth and 31.6 dia.. ( looking to get the one up dropper )
http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1 (http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1)
Is this a good fork for the bike ?
https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4 (https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4)
Trying to not get very high end as building for my kid who will use it for 3-4 years and then i will need to upgrade to a bigger frame..
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Thanks a lot..
Couple more more questions, just confirming that the dropper post which I can fit on this frame ( size small ) is
150mm insertion depth and 31.6 dia.. ( looking to get the one up dropper )
http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1 (http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1)
Is this a good fork for the bike ?
https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4 (https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4)
Trying to not get very high end as building for my kid who will use it for 3-4 years and then i will need to upgrade to a bigger frame..
The dropper seems fine, but that fork is probably too short for a 27.5 831 build.
I’m thinking about experimenting with a mixed-wheel build for the bigger tire clearance (and maybe the handling) when I get an 831 frame, and even with the 29in front wheel I don’t think I’d be happy with less than a 170 fork. Ground clearance will probably be a big issue with even a mixed wheel build but definitely a 27.5 only, and the longest travel version of the Z2 available there is 150mm, which is under-forking compared to the 160 recommended. That’s gonna be really low.
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The dropper seems fine, but that fork is probably too short for a 27.5 831 build.
I’m thinking about experimenting with a mixed-wheel build for the bigger tire clearance (and maybe the handling) when I get an 831 frame, and even with the 29in front wheel I don’t think I’d be happy with less than a 170 fork. Ground clearance will probably be a big issue with even a mixed wheel build but definitely a 27.5 only, and the longest travel version of the Z2 available there is 150mm, which is under-forking compared to the 160 recommended. That’s gonna be really low.
Thank you, so any suggestions on the fork then ? Trying to keep it below $650.. Closest I found was this - https://www.backcountry.com/fox-racing-shox-36-float-27.5-160-performance-boost-fork-2021 (https://www.backcountry.com/fox-racing-shox-36-float-27.5-160-performance-boost-fork-2021).. Dont have a lot of reviews on this thus was wondering..
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Thanks a lot..
Couple more more questions, just confirming that the dropper post which I can fit on this frame ( size small ) is
150mm insertion depth and 31.6 dia.. ( looking to get the one up dropper )
http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1 (http://snpy.in/Wt0xF1)
Is this a good fork for the bike ?
https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4 (https://www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z2-275-Fork-4)
Trying to not get very high end as building for my kid who will use it for 3-4 years and then i will need to upgrade to a bigger frame..
If the dropper has a 150mm insertion depth then it should work. The S frame allows for about 240mm insertion
The fork will work . Although as the other guy pointed out, it will be lower than what SC recommends on their hightower for 27.5 wheels. So you may have more pedal strikes as bb will be a bit too low.
Try the rockshox yari. It should be around $499 usd and comes in a 160mm . It has a 46mm offset but that works with frame and it's actually an option on SC's lower end hightowers. I believe they also have an upgrade kit to turn it into a lyrik if you want to go that route down the line
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Zorinena, have a look at the Durolux and Auron range from SR Suntour. I recently picked up their latest Auron35 Boost and could not be happier with it. For me, it shits all over any Fox fork I have owned.
Using "First order" will get 10% off
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I'm using a durolux 36 right now on this frame and like it very much. But it was a little bit more than that bomber z2 at $750usd . not sure how much the auron is and ive never used a a bike with a fox fork to compare . However, i have ridden my uncles Enduro bike with a yari on it and I'd have to say I prefer the durolux
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Durolux is $750USD less 10%
Auron35, which also goes to 160mm, is $680USD less 10%
Not sure of postage charges for you guys though, I'm in Australia.
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Thanks folks..
I actually was looking at Durolux, but that is Out of stock till August 2022. Let me look at the Auron35.. seems to be a decent one..
I will try and call them tomorrow to check if Durolux is coming back in stock sooner..
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Bike has been put aside and is not ridden anymore since the rear flexes so much it's still rubbing the frame. I've been talking to Eddy about this and he said unfortunately shorter bolts did not fix the problem for them. They have fixed the mould for the rear triangle but was told on Nov 7 that those new triangles won't be available for another month. Even then I'm not sure if we will be getting them to fix the issue or if it's something they will make us buy. I'm really hoping it's not the latter
So anyone wanting to purchase this frame should probably wait until.they produce and send out the frame with the new rear triangle
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Got a fox factory 36 with the grip2 damper for Christmas but it kinda seems like a waste to put it on this frame. I also noticed with a +3mm crown race the fox 36 still hits the downtube when the durolux didn't.
Although it's pretty hard not to play with a new toy ;D so I'll probably throw it on , put some frame protection over the rub area and try to ride it again on a more mild trail later today
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Does anyone know what is the thread size on the rear bottom bolt of the triangle.. When I unscrewed and tried rescrewing it back, it is getting stuck..
I igured out it is a m12, but not sure if it is 1.75 / 1.5 or 1.25.. trying to use a thread tap to see if I can get the screw back on..
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Does anyone know what is the thread size on the rear bottom bolt of the triangle.. When I unscrewed and tried rescrewing it back, it is getting stuck..
I igured out it is a m12, but not sure if it is 1.75 / 1.5 or 1.25.. trying to use a thread tap to see if I can get the screw back on..
Not off the top of my head. I’d have to remove the bolt and measure it. Since you already have it out just measure it. There a quite a few YouTube videos that will show you how
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what size are your rear tires? how's the clearance? looking into building 27.5 as well instead of the 29er
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what size are your rear tires? how's the clearance? looking into building 27.5 as well instead of the 29er
Both front and rear are 2.5” and there’s plenty of clearance
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Got a fox factory 36 with the grip2 damper for Christmas but it kinda seems like a waste to put it on this frame. I also noticed with a +3mm crown race the fox 36 still hits the downtube when the durolux didn't.
Although it's pretty hard not to play with a new toy ;D so I'll probably throw it on , put some frame protection over the rub area and try to ride it again on a more mild trail later today
I had the same with my Fox 36 . ive got the 10mm reverse spacer and I still had to file down the compression knob
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Got a fox factory 36 with the grip2 damper for Christmas but it kinda seems like a waste to put it on this frame. I also noticed with a +3mm crown race the fox 36 still hits the downtube when the durolux didn't.
Although it's pretty hard not to play with a new toy ;D so I'll probably throw it on , put some frame protection over the rub area and try to ride it again on a more mild trail later today
Did you ever ride it with the 36 on it? I'm curious to hear your comparison between the Durolux and the 36 when tested on the same bike and same trails.
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Did you ever ride it with the 36 on it? I'm curious to hear your comparison between the Durolux and the 36 when tested on the same bike and same trails.
Unfortunately I can’t ride the bike to test the difference. The rear triangle rubs the frame and it’s already gone through the paint. They won’t warranty the frame , actually they refuse any help. So I’m waiting on the new bolts to hopefully fix this rub so I can ride it again. Im afraid if I keep riding the frame it’s going to go through carbon and I’ll be completely out of a bike.
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Unfortunately I can’t ride the bike to test the difference. The rear triangle rubs the frame and it’s already gone through the paint. They won’t warranty the frame , actually they refuse any help. So I’m waiting on the new bolts to hopefully fix this rub so I can ride it again. Im afraid if I keep riding the frame it’s going to go through carbon and I’ll be completely out of a bike.
Sorry Snacks, I had forgotten you were having this much trouble with it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Unfortunately I can’t ride the bike to test the difference. The rear triangle rubs the frame and it’s already gone through the paint. They won’t warranty the frame , actually they refuse any help. So I’m waiting on the new bolts to hopefully fix this rub so I can ride it again. Im afraid if I keep riding the frame it’s going to go through carbon and I’ll be completely out of a bike.
Sorry that Haideli and Eddy are taking that route. I haven’t ridden my bike either because there is excessive movement and clicking noise of the bearing moving around. When I reported this to Eddy all he did was offer to sell me a rear triangle, without addressing the defect. I am waiting to try the bolts JJJ has designed before I ride also.
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Sorry that Haideli and Eddy are taking that route. I haven’t ridden my bike either because there is excessive movement and clicking noise of the bearing moving around. When I reported this to Eddy all he did was offer to sell me a rear triangle, without addressing the defect. I am waiting to try the bolts JJJ has designed before I ride also.
Eddie actively invited people to contact him about issues in the Group Buy C thread. You could try him there and see if starts to ignore you there as well.
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I just sent him another email and will reply in the other thread as well.
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I have made the artwork part of several sets of stickers (thin PSA vinyl) and decals (waterslide) but always had somebody else do the printing. The waterslides are just now being applied to my old early gen Ciocc San Cristobal that was almost certainly built when Giovanni Pelizzoli owned the name and the shop. I'll have some pix in a week or so, I'm taking my time as this is my "pandemic" home project. I tried printing my files for the Ciocc decals on "decal stock" in an inkjet printer but the colors were weak. So after some shopping around found a guy in Michigan with an ALPS printer that is "what the pros use" for opaque solid ink decals. Before these (https://www.craftyhangouts.com/best-cricut-machine/) Ciocc I made art for a Merlin set (Bob Jackson era) and an Allegro (Swiss) set, both of which were printed on vinyl by JR Anderson of Velocals (fame and infamy!). Pix to come later...
Oh and clear cover? Yes but no, never resort to clear packing tape, it's not that hard to spray a clear coat! The delicate decals require protection, vinyl don't HAVE to be coated but it can ceratinly help. Trick to it: do a test first with some leftovers. Sometimes your clear will melt the precious decals you spent money and TIME to get "just so". It's a heartbreaker! Something like Krylon Crystal Clear acrylic spray is often a "safe go-to", but NOTHING is safe until you've tested and proved it. Always do a very thin "mist-coat" first and let that set before you add on more to build up (again use many thin coats or you risk runs! ) BTDT