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After The Ride / Re: The "Chiner movement"?
« on: October 15, 2014, 05:49:57 AM »
I agree, in the grand scheme of things, I think most riders aren't even confident enough to buy a bike online from BD, much less a frame direct from overseas. They want to go to a bike shop and test ride, etc, and roll out with their new bike all ready to go.

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Sales & Classifieds / Re: FS IP-106 frame and fork
« on: October 05, 2014, 05:24:37 PM »
Yeah, when I first asked about it, they said it had external brake routing. But when it came, it was all internal.

I was pretty leery of internal routing, but it's proven to be no issue for setting the bike up.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: September 27, 2014, 07:04:05 PM »
It's no riding mecca, but it's awfully nice here in the fall.

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Sales & Classifieds / FS IP-106 frame and fork
« on: September 27, 2014, 05:46:51 AM »
IP-106, size 20", UD matte finish, in like new condition. Fits a BSA (standard threaded) bottom bracket and a 10mm normal QR rear axle. Includes a tapered headset with an additional adapter plate to fit a normal 1-1/8" fork. Also includes a spare derailer hanger.

Includes the FK-029 fork: full carbon fork with carbon steerer, clearance for a 3" tire, post mount disc brakes, 9mm normal QR. The steerer tube is cut to about 230mm, long enough to have the usual maximum of 50mm spacers below the stem.

This is a nice, modern XC frame. The rear end is shorter (440mm), so it's maneuverable and easy to pick up the front wheel. Tire clearance is generous enough to run a 2.3" tire in the rear and a 3" tire up front.

New, this whole package would cost about $670, I'm offering it for $450 shipped.





More pictures are here:
http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: September 27, 2014, 05:44:09 AM »
So I've been putting some more miles on the IP-106, riding among other places at Caesar's Creek:


Two routes to choose:


Of course, I choose the "Most Difficult" path... Caesar's Creek is an old enough trail system that it still has a few fall line sections:


I've also hit my local trail at Alum Creek:


at Alum, I was riding the IP back to back with my other carbon frame, a Sette Razzo:


Finally, I still find the IP a little more flickable than the Razzo, but the Razzo is smoother. I like the Razzo a bit better, overall.

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29er / Re: Frame dimension questions
« on: September 24, 2014, 07:38:36 PM »
Every dimension I've checked on my IP-106 has been spot on, at least as closely as I can measure with a tape measure.

Most of the frames' drawings have a fork length indicated for the given head tube angle.

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29er / Re: Help me choose a frame..
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:27:05 AM »
I've compiled most of the hardtail data I could find into a blog post some time back:

http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/11/chinese-carbon-bike-frames.html

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29er / Re: Frame that accepts higher volume tires?
« on: September 17, 2014, 01:21:31 PM »
My IP-106 can fit a 2.4 Mission Vee (a pretty small-knobbed tired) on a 35mm rim.

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Component Deals & Selection / Re: internal cable routing
« on: September 04, 2014, 05:54:46 AM »
Why not try to the regular method (not drilled) and see if that works OK? It's been fine for me so far. You can always drill in the future if you think it's needed for some reason, but you can't un-drill.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: September 01, 2014, 07:27:20 PM »
So I was able to get out after dinner for a quick ride tonight. The trails were nice and dry, just one puddle on the whole lap.

I immediately noticed a handling difference compared to my old Razzo. Between the slightly shorter chainstays (5mm shorter) and the shorter front center (~20mm shorter), it seems I was able to lift up the front wheel quite a bit more easily. Perhaps this was also due to the lighter carbon fork. Steering was pretty sharp as well.

On the downside, it still didn't feel as smooth as the Razzo, and there's a pedal induced creak I need to track down. Also, I'm not sure on the fit, I'll have to see how my back does with a longer ride.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: September 01, 2014, 02:39:26 PM »
No idea on the weight. I used to have a cheap fish scale, but it died a few months back. It's not as light as you would think, due to the heavy Knard up front, and the somewhat heavy duty wheels.

Looks good! :D Have you got an overall built weight?

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: September 01, 2014, 06:03:06 AM »
I was able to finish the build up on Friday night. I started by cutting the steerer tube down:


and then again as it was still just a bit too long...

I intended to use my somewhat new hyrdo brakes on this build, but the frame I got turned out to have full internal routing, not external brakes as it was earlier spec'd for. That means I would have to cut my hoses, etc, which was too much hassle late on Friday night. I put my old but trusty Shimano mechanicals on there instead. They work fine.

Here's my initial build:


I took it up and down the street and around my tiny (1/3 mile) test track, and determined that the bar is too high and too close. The next morning I simply flipped the stem, and that felt a lot better:

This:


went to this:


Unfortunately (for test riding purposes), Saturday was filled with family activities, and my planned ride on Sunday morning got rained out. I hope to get out this afternoon if the clear weather holds.

One thing I did notice on my brief test ride is that this frame didn't seem to have the smooth, responsive feeling of my Sette frame. Odd, because the frame tubes of the IP-106 look so much more manipulated to give a smooth ride. I'll have to see if this impression holds.

I intended to spend part of the rainy afternoon yesterday patching up slow leaks in my tubes, only to find my glue was dry in every patch kit. The finally pushed me to try my Stans tubeless kit. I had to use the compressor to get the Knard to seat on the Blunt rim, but after adding additional sealant yesterday, it surprisingly seems to be holding air this morning.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: August 29, 2014, 02:40:52 PM »
Yeah, this is kind of a worry for me for a carbon steerer tube. With 10mm more spacers than shown in the above photo, I was able to get my bars at seat height. Since the IP-106's head tube is about as long as it gets, it's hard for us taller guys to get the bars up and use a carbon steerer.

I start thinking about steerer tube spacers limits, plus stem rise, stem length (probably more significant for loading than spacer amount, although no one talks about it), and bar rise, and it makes me a little nervous about how much factor of safety was built into these forks.

I'll give this fork a try, but it may end up being too low for me. The selection of long, rigid forks with tapered, metal steerers is very limited. Carver sells one, but only with a QR15 axle, which my Shimano hubs won't fit.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: August 29, 2014, 05:59:23 AM »
I asked Iplay about this, and they didn't give me a real answer. Whiskey and some other carbon fork makers recommend 50mm as a max.

This is kind of misleading, because if you couple this with a riser bar and a riser stem, you're still introducing a greater bending moment onto the steerer tube.

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29er / Re: IP-106 on the way
« on: August 28, 2014, 08:50:10 PM »
So the box came through A-OK:


And the frame was well packed:


I ship quite a few frames, due to all my buying and selling, and I have to admit the iplay does a better job packing frames than I do.

So light even a small child can lift it one handed!


I also got a fork, headset, matching spacers, and a spare derailer hanger:


Tip: the frame doesn't include a seat clamp, so order one of those when you place your order. I stole one from my Sette.

Time to break out this guy:


Also, there's some carbon paste in the background.

I spent Thursday night stripping down my Razzo and cleaning those parts, and setting up my wheels and tires. I couldn't do any real work on my new frame, since I didn't have a hex attachment for my torque wrench, and thus couldn't even torque down the seat post to clamp it in my work stand. Tonight I got the major parts set up:


Enough on there to set my bar height and cut the steerer tube, but it was already getting late at this point. I didn't want to break out the miter box with the kids sleeping above me. Save that for Friday, which also gives me time to really, really make sure I'm good with this position (or shorter). My understanding with carbon steerers is that the stem should clamp around the expansion plug, so you can't just stack spacers above the stem to have future steerer tube length like you can with metal steerer tubes. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong here.

I was happy to see that the frame had adequate clearance for my 2.4" Vee Mission 4 tire on a 35mm wide rim at the rear. I knew the fork could clear my Knard, but the drawing wasn't as clear for the rear clearance.

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