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Re: TanTan TT-X21 frame Hello all,

My first post here, I bought a TT-X3 frame from Seraph/Tan Tan. It took more than 2 months to arrive. Communication during the wait time was mediocre. Questions were not answered. But, when I arrived I was happy. It looked beautiful! Nicely build, paint great.

The bike was build by a friend, which was a professional bike builder for many years.

HOWEVER! After riding ONLY 8 KM/5 miles, the seatpost collapsed and I nearly crashed. A small crack in the frame appeared. I am only 80kg heavy and the frame lasted less then 10 km.

I contacted the company, they said they would make it an emergency call. After a couple of days they said they would send a new frame but not a new seatpost (which was heavily damaged by the collapse). A long conversation started but they would not take responsibility. I bought the frame via Ali-express due to their (in my experience) good customer protection which I really needed in this case. Seraph made a threat, if I would post a one star review (how could I give any better than one star with a 'quality' like this?), they wouldn't send a new frame. How about customer service?!

During the dispute process, Seraph made two propositions, 1: new frame, that's it. 2: send all back, get my money back. However, shipping would be more than the cost of the frame.

Ali judge ruled in my favor. I will get my money back.

This was my first chinese frame. I knew it would be a risk, I got a really shitty frame. It wont be my last, I will going to buy a Velobuild or Ican frame.

BUT BE WARNED, DON'T BUY FROM TAN TAN/SERAPH!

A lot of you guys won't have any issues and ride your frame without any issues. However, if you are unlucky like me, you're screwed with this BS company!


May 04, 2021, 03:47:20 AM 		1
Re: ICAN triaero A9 Just semi-finished my build after the wheels finally arrived today...

Very happy about the A9, the quality of the frame was Top notch so far (ordered without handlebar and used a Metron 5D ACR Replica). Proper pictures will follow soon.. Going for a first ride tomorrow
January 17, 2023, 12:27:08 PM 		1
Re: Any thick good looking aero frameset?
TanTan TT-X34 & TT-X36 maybe?
March 02, 2023, 07:48:09 PM 		1
Re: Trek Madone frame As someone who owns an actual Trek Madone SL-7 eTap  (size 56cm)

1. The frames are very well made & the support from Trek is top notch
2. The bike itself is very, very fast & twitchy. It will go in the direction you point it and take you with it
3. The isospeed is pretty good, if you use a comfortable saddle
4. Bontrager tires are terrible
5. Bike will weigh in at around 19lbs with the sram force groupset

Now, rather than buy a clone & risk your neck/spine/other parts, you could get a used Trek (warranty is still good) or a frame from Velobuild/Winspace/Eleves etc etc, all of whom seem to have better warranty than other sellers

That being said, the Madone is designed for all out speed and is not very comfortable on a long ride, so if you are looking for a bike that is a good climber and lighter and comfortable then the Emonda is a much better frame/bike to buy
March 03, 2023, 10:17:00 AM 		1
Re: dcrf26 frame - Scott Foil? "TT-X38 frame price it's 499usd/set . include frame+fork+seatpost +headset+spacers +handlebar"

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April 05, 2023, 10:42:57 PM 		1
Re: Carbonda CFR 1056 or VeloBuild 177?
Quote from: abdbeg on April 03, 2023, 12:56:52 PM
Hey there

I was looking to buy VB 177, but reading this forum i came to conclusion that carbonda have overall better quality, but i really like 177 design, and would buy 1056 only if quality is significantly better, what do you think? My goal is to find a good, very stiff and responsive frame, like SL7.

I was also looking for ican a9, but their quality control is really bad from what i see.

Also, other frames suggestions will be good.

Maybe you should wait a little longer. Carbonda will soon start selling the FM 1136.
The geometry is similar to the 1056, but has been improved in a few points. Stiffer, more aero and lighter.

I already have the frame and the build quality is very good. I will post some more pictures soon.
April 06, 2023, 01:00:32 PM 		1
Re: Scott Foil replica
Quote from: Sebastian on May 11, 2023, 02:13:46 AM
I mean how likely is it that they would produce Syncros branded bottle cage bolts for a fake frame? Can’t be sure. But I think the photos are showing the real thing.

if i were making fakes... it's one of the cheapest ways to make your stuff look legit. Or maybe the bolts are legit. I was in China eons ago, there were shops selling branded paper bags and branded logos in various formats. Some with authentic spelling mistakes, it was hilarious. There's also a big market for authentic branded bags and boxes, precisely because it's cheap, but gives a veneer of authenticity to the fake product.
Thieves are often creative people.
May 16, 2023, 05:33:44 AM 		1
Re: dcrf26 frame - Scott Foil? So I ended up ordering an x38 frameset last night.

Size 56, raw unpainted, 400/120 integrated handlebars. Total was about $700 with UPS shipping and PayPal fees. They quoted me 15-20 days for production time. Lisa from Tan Tan responded promptly to all of my emails and questions. Here are my reasons for the x38:

1. Frame design - I think the x38 looks just unique enough to standout in a world of brands trying to follow the Specialized SL7 design philosophy. This is coming from an Allez Sprint and VB-168 owner. I understand why the Tarmac SL7 is so popular, but it's nice to see an actual aero frame be released (albeit a Scott Foil clone/inspiration).

2. Geometry - The size 56 is both taller in stack and shorter in reach than my typical setup. However, it's clear this frame was inspired by a TT bike. The trend these days is for riders to optimize their bike position more forward over the bottom bracket and on the hoods rather than the drops. Basically a TT position on the hoods. So the geometry makes a lot of sense. My attempt is to replicate this position  :o

3. T47 - Threaded bottom brackets on cheap frames have a high chance to be a nightmare. This is part of the reason I ordered the frame unpainted. It will make for good (or bad) video content.

Overall I'm not expecting this frame to be mind-blowing. At best it would be similar to my Dengfu R12 (also a SL7 clone) which is by far the stiffest frame I've tested for a budget Chinese frame. At worst it's a noodle like my VB-168 but I doubt it based on the design especially around the bottom bracket and thickness of the seatpost and fork.

I'll report back in a month...
June 08, 2023, 09:00:32 AM 		1
Re: dcrf26 frame - Scott Foil?
Quote from: Sebastian on June 09, 2023, 12:17:41 AM
Are you going to use a separate bar and stem setup?
I’m eyeing this as well. But the stack really is unusually high if you take into account that the integrated bars will require at least the headset bearing top cap to route the brake lines and the other spacer which acts as a cable cover beneath the stem. That will add at least another 3cm of stack making it very high by the looks of it.
Also, Tan Tan is offering this with BSA, BB30 and PF30 bb configuration (under the Ceccotti bike label) on Aliexpress. So if you think you’re taking a chance with T47, presumably you don’t have to.
Really looking forward to seeing how this works for you.

Here is my consideration. The long version. ;D

Yep I will be using the included integrated handlebars which alleviates the need for the very tall FSA no69 bearing cap. 400 width 120 stem. Gonna run SRAM eTap.

-The handlebars have a reach of 84mm with a -10 degree angle. This is about 9-10mm longer than a typical compact handlebar. Also depending how each brand measures their stems specifically for integrated handlebars (usually from the top cap bolt to the center of the top bar, not to the imaginary faceplate and bolts like a standard separate stem) I reckon the stem length is closer to 125-130mm. For perspective, the integrated handlebars on my Winspace T1500 is listed as 125mm, but has an effective reach closer to 135mm-140mm. I'm not joking.

-So the entire reach in totality (frame reach 394 + stem 120 + handlebar reach 84) gives me an overall reach of 598mm. This is only 3-5mm shorter than my typical road setup, and the effective reach of the integrated cockpit will more than compensate for the 5mm delta. Basically....reach wont be an issue.

-The YouTuber Peak Torque made a compelling video a couple years ago, making the case on why slamming your stem isn't a good idea. This is specifically for riders looking to comfortably hold a TT position in the hoods, as studies have proven this is the fastest/most aero position. Elbows tucked in and 90 degrees. His stance is that the larger the difference in saddle height to handlebar height/stack, the more difficult it is to sustain that position. It can really strain the triceps/forearms. And he's absolutely correct. The only reason I slam my stems is for both control and safety in the drops during road races/fast group rides . Don't really wanna be in a TT position on the hoods in a group unless you're pulling at the front or in a solo breakaway.

-Since the x38/Scott Foil looks like a TT bike it makes since for the taller than average stack height. The top tube is practically horizontal and the seat tube is almost vertical. Clearly this frame was intended with TT-whatever in mind. I'm excited to set this frame up in such a manner to investigate if this setup truly is actually faster. And sustainable.

@abdbeg - Those photos are inspiring. Looks like just a couple of thin layers of thin matte black paint and matte clearcoat to replicate that. Gonna do the same but add clear 3D effect sparkle paint.
June 09, 2023, 10:00:50 AM 		1
Re: dcrf26 frame - Scott Foil? Just received UPS tracking for my frame and handlebars. Strangely fast since TanTan originally quoted me 15–20 days for production and it’s only been exactly 7 days since invoice. Maybe they had a spare.
June 15, 2023, 07:19:10 AM 		1