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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: 325racer on August 12, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
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Thanks to a very good bonus check that arrived last Friday I have ordered most all of the parts for my IP-057 build.
My goal/purpose for this bike is to build a fast race bike. I recently started doing some XC type racing, using my very heavy 32lb (14.5kg) Santa Cruz Tallboy LT. While I love how this rides, its heavy and slow and loses a lot on climbs. Oh and I'm still not in great shape, but working on that.
I decided to start out with a full rigid because where most of the races are happening the trails are fairly well groomed and while singletrack in someplaces are still fire road smooth.
After lots of searching and reading on this site, MTBR and other places I've decided to go with an IP-057 from Peter.
I ordered up quite a bit of parts from Peter. $1600 worth, but I ordered a few extra things (both Shimano and Sram cassette body, extra axles, etc). The Frame is going to be a 19" in 3K Gloss BSA. The plan is to bring it to Pinstriper Lyle Fisk to have him work some magic. One of his trademark techniques is woodgrain painting. I think I'm going to have him do the top of the top tube in a wood grain finish, then other traditional pinstriping stuff.
IP-057 BSA 19” size 3K GLOSS finish for 142x12 - 400 USD/piece
Headset - 15 USD/piece
FK-052 Fork, 3K Gloss - 125 USD/piece
Wheels 29 using your 35mm hookless rim using the Novatec D881/882 Hubs for 10S, 15mm front and 142/12 (gloss 3k finish) 32 Hole. - 590 USD/pair
Spare dropout 142*12 right part for frame - 15 USD/piece
Spare rear derailleur hanger for 135 QR for frame - 20 USD/ set including left and right parts
2 pcs * IP-B05 Handlebar in widest available 700mm, also gloss 3K finish - 38 USD/piece x 2 = 76 USD
Seatpost 400mm gloss 3K IP-SP6 - 45 USD/piece
Fitting front 15mm and rear 12mm thru axles - 35 USD/pair
**Two bottle cages BC5 3k matte - 12 USD/piece x 2 = 24 USD (originally listed as BC6 3K Gloss)
100x9/ 135x10 QR convertion kit for ABOVE HUBS - 35 USD/ set
Seat post clamp - one piece for free
**Set of Stem spacer (free)
** SRAM Cassette Body
I've also placed orders for the GroupSet, which I decided to go with XX1 1x11 Gripshift. XT brakes, Hope Red Floating rotors, Wolf Tooth one piece chainring, 2.25" Rocket Ron for the front and 2.1" Thunder Burt for the rear.
About the only things I don't have currently on order are a stem and saddle. I will most likely be using a Loaded Precision stem, to support the San Diego local business, and probably an Ergon SM3 Pro saddle.
When parts start arriving I'll begin taking pictures with actual weights and see where things end up!
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LIKE. :)
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Looks good.. I love how everybody is getting so customized with their paint jobs. Another great thing about a chiner, I suppose.. It's a blank canvas.
One thing.. Have you used the SRAM grip shift? Many love it, but many don't. Pretty sure Carbon_Dude initially went with grip shift but swapped to trigger shift for one reason or another. Can't remember the exact reason, but I'm sure he'll chime in.
Looking forward to seeing the pics as everything starts to trickle in!
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Looks like it will be a nice build! You have all the good parts spec'd out.
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It's been a long time since I used Gripshift, but with no lockouts or dropper posts, I figured I'll make it a super clean cockpit with just brake levers. I can always switch to triggers later if I hate it.
Update from Peter, everything should ship by Monday or Tuesday of next week!
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I'm very curious to see how those rims perform. Be sure to pay pictures. I went with the 30mm hookless and so far they've been great. I think wider wouldn't be an issue in the least even though it's not thought of as a traditional XC width and it might make that 2.1 rear tire perform as a 2.2+ tire without the extra casing weight.
I also wanted to pun stripe my 256, but couldn't find it affordably locally. Make sure to pay plenty of pictures of yours.
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It's been a long time since I used Gripshift, but with no lockouts or dropper posts, I figured I'll make it a super clean cockpit with just brake levers. I can always switch to triggers later if I hate it.
Update from Peter, everything should ship by Monday or Tuesday of next week!
That's basically what I did for my IP-057. I wanted to try out the Gripshift to see if I liked it, people had spoken so highly of it and SRAM had come out with a new design for the XX1 at the time. In the end I went back to a trigger shifter, the Gripshift just wasn't for me but maybe you will like it more than I did.
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Shipping notices for parts came in.
Front Chainring coming from Modern Bike in Des Moines via USPS, no ETA yet.
Groupset and 2 sets of XT Brakes coming from PlanetCyclery in Henderson, CO via FedEx Ground, picked up but no ETA.
Rotors and brake brackets coming from Chain Reaction in UK, coming via ???, "Dispatched" yesterday, ETA ??
Waiting for frame, etc tracking, Peter said it should ship before Monday/Tuesday of next week.
The second set of XT brakes is to replace my crappy Elixer 5's on my Santa Cruz.
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Thought it was recommended somewhere that above 30mm on rims the tire should be bigger than 2.2
Looking forward to hearing how the tires and rims work out.
And always interested in what one's chiner design is.
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Never heard of that recommendation. Only that those who want a wider tire contact patch usually go with wider rims and wider tires. A standard XC 1.8-2.0" tire has no problem fitting on a 30mm rim, even the comparatively narrow tire will have a wider profile on the 30mm rim, versus say a typical 24mm XC rim.
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Similar to cars, a wider rim will give a wider footprint to a point until the rim is wider than the tire. You also get more air volume for the same pressures. American Classic has done some testing and published some articles. In the old days I ran staggered tires, 2or 2.1 up front and 1.9 in the back, so running stagger and different tires on each end is not uncommon, but since I'm going full rigid I'm upping the size and air volume to have little rolling resistance while adding some compliance.
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The under 2.2 was more anecdotal...though the following link has another link where the person puts more into their thoughts: http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/tire-profile-changes-different-rim-widths-mountain-king-2-2-a-541569.html
It may be more on the tire sidewall height.
As I said earlier, it will be interesting to hear 325s thoughts and definately post some pictures.
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Pictures and weights might start tonight!!! Just checked tracking and my groupset, brakes, front ring are all on trucks to be delivered today!!
Just hope I'm around when FedEx shows as it needs a signature.
If only the brake brackets arrived today too, then I could through one set of XT's on my Santa Cruz before tomorrows ride.
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Let the Pictures begin. Today was like Christmas.
What all did I get????
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And now with some weights.
Rocket Ron, Box says 520, actual is 532
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Thunder Burt Snake Skin, Box says 515, actual is 551 (someone was dyslexic)
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XX1 Crankset
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XX1 Spyder
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Wolf Tech One piece, only 30grams heavier than the spyder alone, so there must be some weight savings in there. Not to mention Money Savings!
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Looks good mounted on the crank
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XX1 Rear Mech with the shipping stop in place
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The giant sexy cassette
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Enjoy your day ! Keep the pics coming !
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When you fit the gripshift make sure you compress both lock rings towards each other as much as you can. This should prevent the plastic cover from rattling in the future !
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Thanks Sussed, I'll keep that in mind. No I'm just waiting for stuff from Chain Reaction and my frame/wheels, etc to ship.
Not worried about timing, but I'm getting antsy now that everything is ordered and I'm waiting.
Have some cool ideas for paint/pinstriping once it arrives.
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Guesstimated weight based on most published numbers should have it in the 18.6lb or 8.45kg range. Not quite half the weight of my current bike, which is 32, but a full suspension long travel 29er.
That's with a rigid fork, I think sub 19 will still be possible if I eventually add a suspension fork.
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Shipping notice just came, 6-7 days...
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A few more goodies showed up today.
Rotors, BB, Seat, tire sealant.
Front rotor 180mm Hope, they are actually red, but look a little pinkish in this light. 158g about 12g over what I thought.
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Rear Rotor 160mm Hope 105g, about 13 g over what I thought. I'll have to weight the bolts, I'm guessing they come to about 12g.
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SRAM BB 111g, 8g less than planned
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Ergon SM3 Pro 251g, about 6g over advertised.
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And some Sealant, stems and rim tape.
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Frame, Fork, wheels, etc should be showing up next week. Frame will go to painter, then build will probably be another week or two out due to schedule. But we'll see.
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After trying it in my tires on my IP-057, I prefer Orange Seal over Stan's Sealant.
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Reviews I found said Orange is better, but the Stans stems are the best, so I stopped and picked up some Stans stems today.
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Tracking shows "Handed over to US Customs" yesterday. I guess I could see it as soon as tomorrow, but probably Tuesday.
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Interesting on the Hope discs and different.
What made you go with them?
At some point, hope you will give a review.
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Went with Hopes for various reasons. Wanted a two piece rotor, kinda light weight, something with a colored center, and I like the style.
I'm sure the overall will be different than my other setup, which is XT brakes with used Avid rotors on my Santa Cruz.
But when I'm done and get some miles on everything.
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Everything is through customs and departed USPS facility. With any luck Ill have it tomorrow.
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Today was really like Christmas!!!!!! The rest of the parts arrived, well, all except a stem and spacers (Peter said he'd send spacer, but didn't, oh well)
Everything looks great. There was a tiny nick on the bottom side of the down tube. A little bummed about that, but I'm sure once I get riding there will be more, so not worried about it. I am a little disappointed in some of the weights, especially the wheel set, but I have no doubt that it will be strong!
Now for some pictures.
Some 3k gloss!
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Weave blends to UD near the BB and a few other spots. I kind of like it, looks cool.
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Weave on the fork blends to UD too.
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Wheels look good!
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Rear came in at 1020, with Novatec 881 Hub, with 32 holes, with 35 mm Hookless rim.
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Front came in at 826 with Novatec 882, again with 32 holes and 35 mm hookless rim.
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Got the wheels built up tonight, man the way the XX1 cassette mounts is weird. Not very straight forward the first time to ensure that everything lines up correctly, only took about 5 times getting it halfway together and not feeling right. (that's why I'm posting at 12:30)
Anyway, here's the built up front. Had to do the tube in the tire to seat one side before going tubeless.
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Keep the pics coming ! 8)
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Given they are 32 hole and 35mm wide, that should be a very strong wheel set. Yes, I also had some difficulty installing the XX1 free hub on my Bitex hubs from Peter, in comparison the hub went right on my DT Swiss 240 hub with little effort. Seems the tolerances are better on the DT Swiss hub threads.
I currently have a creak/pop coming from the XX1 hub/cassette/derailleur. I have not had a chance to do much troubleshooting although the r/d is brand new. SRAM sent me a warranty replacement along with the chainring that seemed to wear quickly. I really like my XX1 drivetrains but I am starting to be concerned with the reliability.
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What I did for the cassette, after 5 tries, was to go slow until it started to engage, then watched, held and guided the teeth on the big ring to engage with the notches on the freehub. I found that there wasnt much info about it online.
I'll post more photos later on, have to do domestic stuff now.... But the frame went to the painter today. He's one of the grandfathers of pinstriping and hotrod painting as far back as the 50s. He worked Ed Roth and Von Dutch. He's done carbon fiber racecar parts and old school vintage bikes, but never a carbon bike, but he's super excited for the job. We have some really cool stuff planned for it, i just hope it's not over the top.
Look for painted frame pics towards the end of next week.
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Man, I'm super excited to see this paint job.
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Me too!!! Painter called this morning, it's all done, but I can't get down there till Wednesday. Tomorrow is going to be a long anxious day...
Scratch that, quick cell phone photos to come soon. I went and picked it up just now, regular camera battery is dead.
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Ok, here are some cell phone pics before polish and wax. I noticed a minor spot that the paint was damaged on the non drive side. I think from touching something while wet.. otherwise looks amazing.
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No way! That looks awesome! I can't wait to see some daylight pictures and a complete bike...
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Went to polish and wax, but realized I left it in another car in storage. Ugggg. Have to pick some up to "finish" the edges of the paint, clean up some clear coat overspray, etc. After I polish and wax, Ill probably have one of my professional photographer friends take a few pics. Tight schedule though, cause I want to build it ASAP so I can ride it next weekend.
Have everything except a stem and carbon paste.
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Did some work tonight. Polished, waxed and started assembling. Got the cranks, derailieur and rear caliper on. Threw the wheels on for a photo.
Planning to pick up a stem tomorrow, then push ahead with running cable and brake lines.
More pics to come later.
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Dang. I want to throw mine off a cliff. It looks terrible by comparison! ;D
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That looks awesome! You should slap some of these on it-
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OK, I spent entirely too much time looking for white wall 29er tires. Looks like Geax and Maxxis have made them, but they have giant ugly logos on the side. 700c x 35 mm may not give as much traction off-road, but on the the road they would look really good.
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Nice, but Ill pass on the white walls.
Best quote from my local ride forum "I think I want to see more pictures of this bike even more than I want to see Jenifer Lawrence's iphone photos. What a beauty!"
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Bike is finished!!!!!!!!!!!! Here are some build shots and a few finished pics. Fancy Glamour shots to come and of course some ride shots will happen this weekend.
Bottom Bracket Installed
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Crank Installed
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Derailleur
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Rear Brake
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Stem with Ti hardware
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Front Brakes (I didn't weigh the rears)
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DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Only thing left to do is pick up some Crank Boots and install red seatpost clamp when it arrives.
Real weight were not close to estimated weights. Bathroom Scale weight puts it at 20lbs, compared to an estimated 18.6.
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Nice bike, dude! Very beautiful !
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Holy crap.. very beautiful, man! I'd be afraid to ride the thing, lol.
Maybe we need to start a build of the month or something like that and highlight some of the more impressive builds in a banner ad. We could vote on it each month and the chosen builder could bask in all his well earned glory! lol
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Nice, but Ill pass on the white walls.
Best quote from my local ride forum "I think I want to see more pictures of this bike even more than I want to see Jenifer Lawrence's iphone photos. What a beauty!"
As much as I like the bike....
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How about her posing on the bike? I think that's a compromise we can all live with! ;D
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Holy crap.. very beautiful, man! I'd be afraid to ride the thing, lol.
Maybe we need to start a build of the month or something like that and highlight some of the more impressive builds in a banner ad or something like that. We could vote on it each month and the chosen builder could bask in all his well earned glory! lol
I like it- maybe have the banner, and pin the original thread so people can easily find all the details. A month may be a bit long, but not sure if we have enough builds on here to change every week.
325, I think two-tone tires would really go well with the pinstripes. Maybe natural gum rubber color if the whitewalls are too stark?
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I like it- maybe have the banner, and pin the original thread so people can easily find all the details. A month may be a bit long, but not sure if we have enough builds on here to change every week.
Yes.. maybe for two weeks. Something to look into when membership has grown some, bc like you said, we need more builds bc a month is probably too long.
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Completed Build, with pump, tool kit, bottle cage, and crank boots picked up today. Hate to add that weight, but it's better to have it than not.
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Yes the wood graining is done by hand! I have no idea how he does it.
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Got out for two rides this weekend. Saturday was fairly social ride but covered 11.38 miles and 1143 feet of climbing. Sunday was a little longer, a little faster and not as much climbing, 13.39 miles with 610 feet of climbing.
First impressions of course are Wow, this thing is light, 20lbs by bathroom scale. Despite being so light it feels good on the trail, solid and planted, no weird vibrations, nice and smooth. And FAST, oh so fast, coming from my Santa Cruz Tallboy LT, which is 32lbs and 5.5" of travel. The light wheels and stiff frame accelerate so well. The other thing I noticed, which is more of preference is how odd regular Round grips feel weird (I've been using Ergons for a couple years now.) just odd without the palm support. I joked that the suspension didn't really absorb the small bumps very well, by that I really mean that's where I felt the rigidness the most. On larger stuff it wasn't quite as bad because I was out of the saddle soaking up the bumps with arms and legs more. On Saturday we didn't really ride anything super technical as far as downhill, mostly just flowy fun stuff where things weren't that bad, except for a few stretches of trail that got a little rough, but again, being out of saddle the arms and legs do a pretty good job sucking up the big stuff. During Sundays ride it was noted by someone I ride with often that he could tell I was slower on the downhill, where I would normally go straight through on the Santa Cruz, I was starting to look for the smoothest line and be a little slower, but as soon as the trail went up, I just exploded up the climbs. This I had noticed on Saturday that anytime we hit a climb, I would zip past everyone, except the one guy in way better shape than me.
Overall Saturdays ride was great, with lots of comments about the bike, one guy took it for a spin around the meetup area, and liked how it felt. Sundays ride was a little more adventurous as I got a puncture on the front tire that the Orange Seal just wouldn't seal up. The puncture was from a rock strike, just left of the center tread. While sealant was pissing out, it just wouldn't fill the puncture. Fortunately the other guy with a 29er had a spare tube, as I hadn't put one in the saddle bag yet. I attribute the puncture to being a little to heavy on the front end on a fast section with a sharp rock I could have avoided. The question is, would another tire or tube prevented it??? Not sure. I think the issue was to much weight on the front, not enough give without a suspension fork and the rock just pierced the casing.
Oh, and after all this, on the drive home, I literally almost lost the bike. I have one of the bike racks that holds with wheels with straps and a clamp on the top tube. Well at about 80mph the clamp slipped off, the bike fell down and was only held on by the straps. God talk about a heart attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was able to pull over safely, stand it up and reattach. I attribute the slip to having a towel to protect the paint and not tightening enough for fear of damaging the carbon.
Anyway, here are some photos from Saturdays ride.
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Might I strongily suggest some protective vinyl in key areas to protect from damage? I used some 8mil stuff from Amazon that worked very well and is totally transparent. It saved my paint tremendously this weekend. My crank arms too. It's worth the 25 bucks and a few hours install. On my frame the XX1/X01 cassette small sprocket puts the chain less than 2mm from the frame. Too close for comfort! Especially with that work of art paint job you have.
My tape has sustained damage in a couple of locations, but the paint under is still perfect. It's easily removable and replaceable as need be.
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In my experience the Schwalbe tires do no hold up to much abuse, they are thin and light but not super strong, and if you are running pressures below 28psi and you are hitting sharp rocks, you are almost sure to have a flat. You probably don't want to replace the tire after just one ride so I would suggest increasing your tire pressures.
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Really nice custom paint job. Its sure would be a fast bike !
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Been getting some riding in lately, not as much as Id like but still a fair it. Got some day rides and a night ride in. I like how she rides. Even with full rigid the setup is fairly comfortable. I'm running the IPlay 700mm rise bars and a Loaded Precision Xlite 90mm stem. I'm thinking I might try a 70mm stem for an even more "relaxed" cockpit.
She climbs extremely easily as expected, the Thunder Burt on the back is great, tons of traction on all types of SoCal dirt. Well, mostly hard pack and some loose soil. Only place it gets interesting is downhill bumpy braking, you have to modulate alot compared to a full squish bike.
It's very weird getting on my Tallboy LT after this. Its at least 12+ lbs heavier, so squishy. It felt like I had a flat tire when I first got on, I can feel the wasted energy when climbing. Gearing is different too, being a 3x10, vs 1x11. I certainly feel like I have way more gears than I need with the 3x. On the 1x, I find that I'm sometimes surprised to find myself in the middle of the cassette when I thought I was near the big end. Other times I'm surprised to find that I'm almost out of gears when I still thought there were more. I'm liking the grip shift, no issues so far, very happy with that choice.
On a side not, it gets tons of attention, leading to some long conversations at trail crossroads. The couple people that have got on it are amazed by the weight, ride quality and speed!
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It's very weird getting on my Tallboy LT after this. Its at least 12+ lbs heavier, so squishy. It felt like I had a flat tire when I first got on, I can feel the wasted energy when climbing.
Awesome looking bike, man!
I know it's one of those questions that's hard to answer bc the bikes are soooo different and specialize in different riding conditions.. BUT.. If you could have only one.. Which would it be?
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Been getting some riding in lately, not as much as Id like but still a fair it. Got some day rides and a night ride in. I like how she rides. Even with full rigid the setup is fairly comfortable. I'm running the IPlay 700mm rise bars and a Loaded Precision Xlite 90mm stem. I'm thinking I might try a 70mm stem for an even more "relaxed" cockpit.
She climbs extremely easily as expected, the Thunder Burt on the back is great, tons of traction on all types of SoCal dirt. Well, mostly hard pack and some loose soil. Only place it gets interesting is downhill bumpy braking, you have to modulate alot compared to a full squish bike.
It's very weird getting on my Tallboy LT after this. Its at least 12+ lbs heavier, so squishy. It felt like I had a flat tire when I first got on, I can feel the wasted energy when climbing. Gearing is different too, being a 3x10, vs 1x11. I certainly feel like I have way more gears than I need with the 3x. On the 1x, I find that I'm sometimes surprised to find myself in the middle of the cassette when I thought I was near the big end. Other times I'm surprised to find that I'm almost out of gears when I still thought there were more. I'm liking the grip shift, no issues so far, very happy with that choice.
On a side not, it gets tons of attention, leading to some long conversations at trail crossroads. The couple people that have got on it are amazed by the weight, ride quality and speed!
My experience with my IP-057 has been very similar, particularly when you talk about the 1x11 gears. I never feel as though I need more than the 42T cog on climbs, however, it would be nice to have a bit more top end gearing for more speed on the flat sections. I suppose I could change up to a 34T chain ring. The light weight is nice and no name on the down tube almost always sparks up a conversation at the junctions or parking lot.
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It's very weird getting on my Tallboy LT after this. Its at least 12+ lbs heavier, so squishy. It felt like I had a flat tire when I first got on, I can feel the wasted energy when climbing.
Awesome looking bike, man!
I know it's one of those questions that's hard to answer bc the bikes are soooo different and specialize in different riding conditions.. BUT.. If you could have only one.. Which would it be?
Tough question. If I only had one, which would I have?? I think it would depend on many things. I look at them kinda like tools, you need the right one for the job at hand.
Where I live and ride most, I could probably get away with the hard tail for 90% of the riding I do. It wouldn't be a full rigid, I'd probably run a 120mm front fork if it was my only bike. On the flip side the there are enough trails locally that are "downhillish" that the Tallboy LT is nice to bomb the descents. I just wish it was lighter.
For longer rides its interesting, with the rigid, my legs and fitness are still really good, but my arms and back start getting tired from lack of suspension, while on the LT, my legs and fitness feel it, while arms and back are still good.
So at the end of the day if I only had one bike it would be the following for following reasons. Where I live now, I'd have a lighter shorter travel full squish bike, ie. CARBON Chiner Full Suspension. If I raced all the time or lived someplace a little flatter I'd have the rigid, most likely with a suspension fork. If I lived in the mountains with more downhill/enduroy trails, I'd have the Tallboy LT, but probably the Carbon version with some carbon wheels to save some weight.
So thats my best answer for if I only had one which would it be.
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I've put some mileage on this bike now, not huge numbers, probably a couple hundred miles, including several night rides and a couple races at night.
So far everything is holding together fine, I recently thought I had a crack starting on the fork, but it appears to just be a scratch. I was cleaning it and didn't notice a metal shaving in the microfiber towel until the first swipe, but it's only 1 small scratch on the front of the fork.
Whenever I come across new people they always stop to check it out and ask questions, even the guys from a new local bike shop who were all riding similarly equiped Specialized, they even took a few photos to post.
I do think I need to true the wheels, but I started to one night and the spokes started to rotate with the nipple, so I stopped there until I felt more ambitious.
As far as riding, this thing is so fast up hills, never feels like I need more gear than the 32/42, I have run out of energy before I ran out of gear. Places I've stopped, even if I had a smaller gear I wouldn't have gone any further. Going downhill, sometimes gets interesting, I did a ride recently and followed a guy on a full suspension bike down a pretty gnarly section, I was quite a bit slower, but still followed down. It was mainly a poor call because there was a smoother line, but required commitment at the start as the lines were seperated by boulders or shrubbery (don't recall). The only on trail issue I've had with the bike happened a little after this on another section of rocky downhill. The bar clamp slipped causing the bar to rotate downwards, nothing broke, and I actually found a better bar position after this, so no harm no foul.
Couple things I've added have been titanium bolts pretty much everyplace except the seat clamp hardware.
Rotor bolts, caliper bolts, brake lever clamp, stem bolts, aluminum bottle cage bolts, uber light stem cap/bolt.
All told I think I spent about $70 on hardware and saved about 60 grams.
Here's a couple pics of those parts.
Old Stem cap
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/IMAG0984_zpsf6isls3u.jpg)
New Cap
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/IMAG0985_zpsnbcz26li.jpg)
Brake Pad locator pins
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/IMAG0975_zpsrvpio9df.jpg)
I was suprised at how light the new ones were
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/IMAG0976_zpstgmrolrm.jpg)
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/325racer/Bikes/Carbon%20Hardtail/IMAG0921_zps3ikstpy5.jpg)
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OMG that paint job is inanely beautiful.... great bike you got there
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So, have you weighed it lately?
Who makes the stem cap and bolt or where did you get it? Or your light parts in general?
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Haven't done a real weight lately, but it was 21 with saddlebag, pump, etc. Saddlebag alone was about a pound, so bike alone weight is somewhere in the 19.5-20lb range. Overall I was surprised by that, but a good bit of it is the wheels. If you go back through my thread you'll see the wheel set was about 1800+ grams, but these are 32 hole 35mm wheels that should be quite robust. The frame was also over 1300g, compared to the near 1000g of the 256 frame.
As far as hardware source, all of this Ti stuff came from Torontocycles.com, he has a ton of stuff, with plenty of options.
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19.5-20 lbs sound right for an IP-057 with XX1 and a decent wheelset. That's similar to the weight of mine and I'm sure I could shave off another pound if I tried.
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But CD, he has a carbon fork, that is nearly 1000g differnce to air fork.
Thanks otherwise, I have used Toronoto myself.
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Didn't realize his IP-057 had a carbon fork, so maybe an IP-057 with a rigid fork would be lighter yet.
When I build mine and weighed it, the scale read 19.5 lbs. That was with XX1, Rockshox Dual Air Fork, DT Swiss XR1450 wheelset and Schwalbe Racing Ralph tires. I've since switched a few things around and put on XMIplay carbon wheels which added 200g. So I would think the bike is still right around 20 lbs. Fine with me, it has been very reliable and fun to ride.
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Yeah, original calculations should have had it at 18.5, but almost every part was overweight, especially the wheels and frame. I know I could get a full pound out of the wheels, but Im 220, so a light wheel set would scare me....
I'm not complaining about the weight, as I know it could be lighter, but many of the uber light parts carry a rider weight limit that Ill never be under, so a 19.5lb bike for a 220lb rider is pretty damn good in my mind, especially when I still go ride with my "All-Mtn" friends on this bike.
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Yeah, original calculations should have had it at 18.5, but almost every part was overweight, especially the wheels and frame. I know I could get a full pound out of the wheels, but Im 220, so a light wheel set would scare me....
I'm not complaining about the weight, as I know it could be lighter, but many of the uber light parts carry a rider weight limit that Ill never be under, so a 19.5lb bike for a 220lb rider is pretty damn good in my mind, especially when I still go ride with my "All-Mtn" friends on this bike.
Yes, that weight is very respectable.
So do you go riding with friends who have AM rigs and you have a rigid fork, or am I just confused? I've been so bored lately since I can't ride. My apologies to everyone if it seems like all I do is hang out on Chinertown.
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Yeah, original calculations should have had it at 18.5, but almost every part was overweight, especially the wheels and frame. I know I could get a full pound out of the wheels, but Im 220, so a light wheel set would scare me....
I'm not complaining about the weight, as I know it could be lighter, but many of the uber light parts carry a rider weight limit that Ill never be under, so a 19.5lb bike for a 220lb rider is pretty damn good in my mind, especially when I still go ride with my "All-Mtn" friends on this bike.
Yes, that weight is very respectable.
So do you go riding with friends who have AM rigs and you have a rigid fork, or am I just confused? I've been so bored lately since I can't ride. My apologies to everyone if it seems like all I do is hang out on Chinertown.
I say to hell with snow and I ride all year long... (http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/andyfloyd82/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_114008_zpsyodc1r9y.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/andyfloyd82/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_114008_zpsyodc1r9y.jpg.html)
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I say to hell with snow and I ride all year long...
Hell yes, 1000x yes. Your tires will never be cleaner than after a snow ride. Just remember to lube the chain!
If it's cold enough, go find a frozen lake, that can be a ton of fun as well. Just yesterday: Riding on Lake Galena (http://instagram.com/p/zNyyvegyvn/)
(sorry CD ;) )
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I say to hell with snow and I ride all year long...
Hell yes, 1000x yes. Your tires will never be cleaner than after a snow ride. Just remember to lube the chain!
If it's cold enough, go find a frozen lake, that can be a ton of fun as well. Just yesterday: Riding on Lake Galena (http://instagram.com/p/zNyyvegyvn/)
(sorry CD ;) )
haha, thats effin awesome!! Youre so right about my tires....they are about as clean as when I first got them. Conti's sidewalls show a lot of scrapes get stained with mud...after my snow ride they look so clean....loving that. I love that video man, thats the way to go. Gotta keep that pace up because once you start slowing down it can be all bad...haha. I always keep chain lube with me in my bag, along with tubes, tools, etc. Any more people like to ride in snow?
Oh yea and sorry CD. lol