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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: 1Sigma on July 12, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
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Received new wheels today - Elite Wheels BWT Disc
Pillar 1420 spokes F24, R24
RD13 34T star ratchet hubs, center-lock disc
Purchased direct from manufacturer and not through Elite's retail channel, so no branding
Sine wave pattern ala Princeton Grit 4540
Comes in at a respectable 1519g for the pair.
Price, including shipping and duties: $615USD
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Those look good. Keep us updated on how they ride and hold up.
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Can you shoot the link where you got them? Love the sinusoidal.
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Nice !
How much cheaper when you buy directly to the manufactorer ?
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Here is the link for the wheel, although they have some other nice sets, like a natural carbon lightweight set
https://xmcarbon.en.alibaba.com/product/1600247326063-815335396/New_arrivals_BWT_road_disc_wheelset_45mm_rim_depth_29mm_width_tubeless_700c_carbon_wheelset.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.37.64296d3emYFFnw
Available with DT Swiss hubs, for a price of course.
Here is the same wheel on their retail site (Elite Wheels)
https://www.elite-wheel.com/elitewheels-bwt-aerodynamics-wheelset-45mm-rim-depth-tubeless-compatible-p3119055.html
$833 with Elite (RD) hubs and shipping. So, not including a potential duties hit $218 cheaper buying direct
I'll let you all know how they ride - apparently they hold up better under cross-winds. Of course, I won't know until my dang frame arrives!
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I need some new MTB wheels for my AM831 coming soon I hope. Might give these guys a try.
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Received new wheels today - Elite Wheels BWT Disc...
What is the offered advantage of that rim shape?
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Apparently reduced drag, especially at different yaw angles, and less buffeting during cross-winds relative to standard toroidal shaped aero wheels.
Other knock on effects, the shallower areas use less material because they are shallower and apparently because less reinforcement is necessary resulting in thinner walls in the shallow areas, resulting I weight savings.... apparently
Haven't seen any independent studies, so it could all be baloney.
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Apparently reduced drag, especially at different yaw angles, and less buffeting during cross-winds relative to standard toroidal shaped aero wheels.
Other knock on effects, the shallower areas use less material because they are shallower and apparently because less reinforcement is necessary resulting in thinner walls in the shallow areas, resulting I weight savings.... apparently
Haven't seen any independent studies, so it could all be baloney.
The sin shape does have benefits, princeton cw did release some numbers, this is just copying it.
As for weight, im gonna call bs on that. Weight is 1530 with dt350. You can get that with the normal shape at 50mm. I was hoping to see the 1400’s for them, then id be impressed. So right now theres a slight performance benefit but mostly looks, and those wheels are sure as hell pretty.
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The sin shape does have benefits, princeton cw did release some numbers, this is just copying it.
As for weight, im gonna call bs on that. Weight is 1530 with dt350. You can get that with the normal shape at 50mm. I was hoping to see the 1400’s for them, then id be impressed. So right now theres a slight performance benefit but mostly looks, and those wheels are sure as hell pretty.
In fairness to Elite, they make no specific claims to weight savings due to the shape. I think Princeton makes that claim (or someone reviewing the Princeton time said that. I don't remember)
I think the UNC model gets into the 1400s
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Here is the link for the wheel, although they have some other nice sets, like a natural carbon lightweight set
https://xmcarbon.en.alibaba.com/product/1600247326063-815335396/New_arrivals_BWT_road_disc_wheelset_45mm_rim_depth_29mm_width_tubeless_700c_carbon_wheelset.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.37.64296d3emYFFnw
Available with DT Swiss hubs, for a price of course.
Here is the same wheel on their retail site (Elite Wheels)
https://www.elite-wheel.com/elitewheels-bwt-aerodynamics-wheelset-45mm-rim-depth-tubeless-compatible-p3119055.html
$833 with Elite (RD) hubs and shipping. So, not including a potential duties hit $218 cheaper buying direct
I'll let you all know how they ride - apparently they hold up better under cross-winds. Of course, I won't know until my dang frame arrives!
I just check the alibaba vendor, it says Type: Tubeless
but is it clincher compatible too ?? I am confused.
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I just check the alibaba vendor, it says Type: Tubeless
but is it clincher compatible too ?? I am confused.
TLDR: It's a tubeless ready(TR)/tubeless compatible(TC) rim (these terms are interchangeable)
Meaning that it has a rim profile capable of accommodating a tubeless tire, but will still take a clincher as well.
In reality, most tubeless rims are actually TR
In fact, the difference between TR rim and a standard clincher is pretty small. To the point where some have success converting a clincher rim to tubeless. YMMV.
The rim profile on the TR just helps a tubeless tire mate better with the rim for a tighter seal.
However, there are dedicated tubeless rims where the spoke holes are covered, and they have a special rim profile to mate with special tubeless tires to create a seal with tape or sealant (eg UST tubeless).
This is not that type of wheel.
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To piggy back this, tubeless compatible wheels are hooked. You can get tubeless rims that are unhooked (hooked are called crotchet i think). Hookless tubeless rims can not fit a standard clincher. So make sure it contains a hook.
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Short review.
The RD13 hub is noisy as all hell! I know some people love this, and I can see some cases where it is useful, but Elite was not lying when they gave the hub a sound score of 4/10
Had to install 6-bolt to centerlock adapters. It would not fit over the rear wheel. Can't tell if it was the machining on the adapters, or the hub. Default logic says it was the cheaper part (the adapter)
This was my first time mounting tubeless, but it was super easy. I am also the Michelin Power Road tire, which is apparently one of the easiest tubeless to mount.
I have not had a chance to run these in crosswinds, so I cannot report on stability.
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Short review.
The RD13 hub is noisy as all hell! I know some people love this, and I can see some cases where it is useful, but Elite was not lying when they gave the hub a sound score of 4/10
Had to install 6-bolt to centerlock adapters. It would not fit over the rear wheel. Can't tell if it was the machining on the adapters, or the hub. Default logic says it was the cheaper part (the adapter)
This was my first time mounting tubeless, but it was super easy. I am also the Michelin Power Road tire, which is apparently one of the easiest tubeless to mount.
I have not had a chance to run these in crosswinds, so I cannot report on stability.
I've ordered a set of ent disc, hope my hubs will be loud as yours, I would love that
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I've ordered a set of ent disc, hope my hubs will be loud as yours, I would love that
If you got the ENT I am afraid your hubs will be silent.
Hubs =RD07
https://m.aliexpress.com/i/4000429562112.html?gatewayAdapt=Pc2Msite
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Here is the link for the wheel, although they have some other nice sets, like a natural carbon lightweight set
https://xmcarbon.en.alibaba.com/product/1600247326063-815335396/New_arrivals_BWT_road_disc_wheelset_45mm_rim_depth_29mm_width_tubeless_700c_carbon_wheelset.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.37.64296d3emYFFnw
Available with DT Swiss hubs, for a price of course.
OMG the price is now 710$US , then add shipping, then tax probably ...
Inflation is steep in couple months
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If you got the ENT I am afraid your hubs will be silent.
Hubs =RD07
https://m.aliexpress.com/i/4000429562112.html?gatewayAdapt=Pc2Msite
Hi ,
Wheredid you see the noise level of the R07 ?
I cannot seethe dbsound level in the spec.
In fact I am looing for a quiet wheel from the vendor but they not not provide the DB noise level of the hub
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Hi ,
Wheredid you see the noise level of the R07 ?
I cannot seethe dbsound level in the spec.
In fact I am looing for a quiet wheel from the vendor but they not not provide the DB noise level of the hub
If you follow the link below, it goes to a product page specifically for the RD07.
There should be a radar chart showing the different properties of the hub
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Hi OP,
How are they riding? Wasn't sure whether to go for the BWS or BWT model - unsure of the difference? I need the Rim break version
Thanks
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the Elitewheel product line is quite difficult o understand.
If someone is able to tell differences between the various product, i'm interested in.
Nicoloc
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the Elitewheel product line is quite difficult o understand.
If someone is able to tell differences between the various product, i'm interested in.
Nicoloc
Id like to known too !
I read all their wheels specs and still dont known the difference between all wheels (excepth the specs on size and weight)
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Hi OP,
How are they riding? Wasn't sure whether to go for the BWS or BWT model - unsure of the difference? I need the Rim break version
Thanks
The BWS is a Zipp-inspired saw-tooth design, while the BWT is a Princeton Carbon-inspired sinusoidal design
In both cases, the profiles are not as aggressive as the wheelsets they resemble (e.g the BWT is 45mm at the deep sections and 42mm in the shallow sections, while the Princeton Grit 4540 is 45mm and 40mm)
A lot of the designs look super similar, but it appears that some are just variations on a theme (different hubs, different spokes, different depths, and lighter or heavier rim weights), while others have novel features, such as the BWS and BWT
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Thanks for the info
How are yours riding?
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Thanks for the info
How are yours riding?
Take this with a pinch of salt, a my prior set were a used mismatch low-end Shimano and Alex Rims combo, with cup-cone bearings...
That being disclosed, I am loving them. Tubeless set-up was a breeze - it was my first time, but I do own a compressor....
They rolled true out of the box and seem fast.
I say "seem", as I am riding these on a new build, which is on an aero frame and a full 10lbs lighter than my commuter. So I cannot objectively say I've isolated the wheels' performance and say they run fast.
A zone 2 endurance ride on this bike yields the same times as a tempo ride on my commuter.
The 45mm profile and (presumably) sinusoidal pattern make cross-wind impact no worse than a typical box section profile.
I've, so far, had zero issues with them, but I've only put 250km on them
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Ok thank you.
More general question - having previously lived in TO I couldn't imagine commuting via bike with the streetcars and poor drivers. You are brave!
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Ok thank you.
More general question - having previously lived in TO I couldn't imagine commuting via bike with the streetcars and poor drivers. You are brave!
Haha Thanks! You'd be surprised how many bike lanes have popped up in Toronto over the last few years.
That being said, I commute around Wilson Rd near Downsview, and if I need to do a long ride, I go out to Pickering/Durham
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I've ordered a set of ent disc, hope my hubs will be loud as yours, I would love that
I am afraid the ENTs will be pretty quiet.
I rode my old commuter the other day, which has silent Shimano hubs and I have come to realize:
When I am casually cycling to run some errands, I prefer silent
When I am doing a training session, or some sort of ride where I put in effort, I actually enjoy the noise:
- It is a convenient way to warn those ahead of you that you are approaching from behind
- It is a convenient way to remind you that you are being lazy and coasting :D
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I received the Elite Wheels wheelset.
I can confirm, the hub are obnoxiously loud.
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I received the Elite Wheels wheelset.
I can confirm, the hub are obnoxiously loud.
Which one did you go for?
I'm waiting until 11.11 to order some BWS Rim brakes with DTSwiss 350 Hubs
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Their budget wheels. The Elite Wheels ENT
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I received the Elite Wheels wheelset.
I can confirm, the hub are obnoxiously loud.
@GilardiRT