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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: Carbon_Dude on November 10, 2014, 06:44:09 AM
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Not that I'm going to be changing out to Shimano anytime soon. Particularly at those prices, people complain about SRAM's 1x setup being expensive, Shimano has set a new high for bicycle components. Now a big brand bike with Shimano XTR electronic shifting will probably retail for $15,000. Why so much? Because someone will buy it.
http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Shimano/Shimano-XTR-11spd/?src=NEWSHIMANOXTR&trk_msg=FDULV8S2TADK7008VV8BSGV2NC&trk_contact=04AD1N40PM58R0LDIJ215I3RAG&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pricepoint.com%2fBrand%2fShimano%2fShimano-XTR-11spd%2f%3fsrc%3dNEWSHIMANOXTR&utm_campaign=20141110-NEWSHIMANOXTR (http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Shimano/Shimano-XTR-11spd/?src=NEWSHIMANOXTR&trk_msg=FDULV8S2TADK7008VV8BSGV2NC&trk_contact=04AD1N40PM58R0LDIJ215I3RAG&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pricepoint.com%2fBrand%2fShimano%2fShimano-XTR-11spd%2f%3fsrc%3dNEWSHIMANOXTR&utm_campaign=20141110-NEWSHIMANOXTR)
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Ooohh looks nice.
$350 for the cassette? Def not cheap. Can't wait for comparisons to Sram to start coming out.
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$350 for the cassette? Def not cheap.
I didn't realize it would be electronic shift. That's pretty crazy. And yes, not cheap at all. Prob be 5 more years before I get something like this on my bike!
(http://i.imgur.com/i2QZNAT.png)
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Imagine having that on your bike and then image a rock strike or stick in the spokes or something else wrecking that.
For road, I guess I could see super expensive parts....but for mountain biking, where it is a matter of time before things get broken.
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Electronic shifting is an option, there is also a conventional new XTR 11spd R/D and shifter.
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Electronic shifting is an option, there is also a conventional new XTR 11spd R/D and shifter.
For those of us in the US, check out Chain Reaction. I've got my pre-order in for the mechanical M9000 stuff for my wife's bike. Already received the cassette (gorgeous, but still not as nice as the SRAM stuff) and the shifter. Waiting for the brakes and the derailleur. *WAY* cheaper than the US based retailers. PricePoint mechanical RD: $238. Chain Reaction for the same one: $179. Yikes.
Had a great idea - have the 11 speed shifter and cassette - maybe this will work with the 10 speed derailleur! Just as I was about to start the experiment I realized I have the I-spec II shifter, which mounts to the brake lever. *rages* ;D
The new Di2 looks freaking amazing, but when your new parts make XX1 look budget, oh my. :D
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For those of us in the US, check out Chain Reaction. I've got my pre-order in for the mechanical M9000 stuff for my wife's bike. Already received the cassette (gorgeous, but still not as nice as the SRAM stuff) and the shifter. Waiting for the brakes and the derailleur. *WAY* cheaper than the US based retailers. PricePoint mechanical RD: $238. Chain Reaction for the same one: $179. Yikes.
Had a great idea - have the 11 speed shifter and cassette - maybe this will work with the 10 speed derailleur! Just as I was about to start the experiment I realized I have the I-spec II shifter, which mounts to the brake lever. *rages* ;D
The new Di2 looks freaking amazing, but when your new parts make XX1 look budget, oh my. :D
So in your opinion the Sram cassette looks of higher quality than the XTR?
And yeah, 650$ for a deraileur is definitely out of my league!
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Imagine having that on your bike and then image a rock strike or stick in the spokes or something else wrecking that.
(http://i.imgur.com/4dk811v.jpg)
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So in your opinion the Sram cassette looks of higher quality than the XTR?
I don't know if it looks higher quality - the XTR looks damn nice. But the SRAM being machined out of a single block of steel with the alloy largest cog, I think it looks cooler than the XTR. Plus, from what I've seen, the SRAM is quite a bit lighter. The XTR 11-40 comes in around 330g, and I think the SRAM is in the 260 range. Easy enough to confirm with a little searching but I'm lazy. :D
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The new cassette has a carbon fiber carrier for the biggest gears. The 40t is also aluminum, then the next six are titanium, with the smallest three being steel. Definitely not low quality:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d8P58nU9dIE/VGNS3gmBH2I/AAAAAAAAb2g/yTzBNTedfFU/w1119-h630-no/IMG_20141112_072816135_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J9JdIOH7HhE/VGNS5JnhQbI/AAAAAAAAb2o/3fYroxZtdOw/w1119-h630-no/IMG_20141112_072854294_HDR.jpg)
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The XTR M9000 11-40 is a beautiful cassette!
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The XTR M9000 11-40 is a beautiful cassette!
Yeah, can't wait for the rest of the stuff to get here! Everything I've heard from the bike stop/industry folks who have had a chance to try it is that the new XTR is freaking awesome.
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Here's another pic showing the other side- (sorry for the giant jpg)
(http://www.sicklines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2015-shimano-xtr-cassette-carbon-fiber.jpg)
The spiders look like injection molded parts, rather than a continuous fiber composite. I wonder if these are glass fiber filled rather than carbon fiber- tough to tell from a couple of pictures, but they look a lot like highly glass filled polyamides (high performance nylons).
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At work we have used injection molded plastics with carbon filler but this was to dissipate static electricity not to be lightweight. The parts are definitely injection molded, not a carbon lay up process. Either way the cassette is innovative looking.
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I never thought I'd find so much beauty in a cassette, but I do.
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If a nice close-up helps with the discussion...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IVPeb7olt_I/VGTt5nYCaSI/AAAAAAAAb4I/Jn93tKsMqTU/w602-h1069-no/IMG_20141113_123938146_HDR.jpg) (https://plus.google.com/photos/118048517346415993560/albums/6080794958266585185?banner=pwa&authkey=CNGbveDv1dXbogE)
If not, at least it looks good. :)
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Interesting aside. I used to run a 1x6 drivetrain with 6 cogs of a 9 speed cassette installed on a Hope singlespeed hub. Gave zero dish for the rear wheel, which was pretty cool. Although I don't run that drivetrain anymore, I still have the wheel, and I tested it out. With the XTR 11 speed cassette, I can get 8 cogs on the singlespeed hub. The only problem is that in order to use a lockring I would have to modify _something_, but I thought that was interesting. When I started MTB'ing it was 7 speed cassettes - and I could now run an 8 speed cassette with zero dish in the rear.
Only problem is I don't think they offer a 142x12 conversion for my older hub.
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Definitely either a glass filled or some other fiber filled resin, could be strands of carbon fiber and most likely a nylon polymer. EMS Grivory has a version of resin with carbon fiber strands designed for injection molding. Again, this is not lightweight material so most likely that's one of the reasons the XTR cassette is not lighter than the XX1 cassette.
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Definitely either a glass filled or some other fiber filled resin, could be strands of carbon fiber and most likely a nylon polymer. EMS Grivory has a version of resin with carbon fiber strands designed for injection molding. Again, this is not lightweight material so most likely that's one of the reasons the XTR cassette is not lighter than the XX1 cassette.
It'll still be lighter than an aluminum spider of comparable volume, though.
As for the SRAM being lighter, I think that's because it's mostly hollow with all the material removed and only the biggest cog actually attaching to the freehub body. The XTR uses the same freehub as the 8/9/10 speed cassettes, and has individual spiders for each pair of the biggest 8 gears. No matter how light those spiders might be, they're not as light as air. :)