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Title: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: carbonazza on July 16, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
Some competition to SRAM:
https://bikerumor.com/wheeltop-wireless-mtb-drivetrain-12-speed/
It can(still not sure how) be configured for 7 to 12 speed cassettes.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: 1Sigma on July 16, 2022, 10:09:23 PM
Some competition to SRAM:
https://bikerumor.com/wheeltop-wireless-mtb-drivetrain-12-speed/
It can(still not sure how) be configured for 7 to 12 speed cassettes.

Probably just configurable within a utility app?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: carbonazza on July 18, 2022, 03:45:58 AM
Probably just configurable within a utility app?
That would be great indeed.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: wfl3 on July 18, 2022, 08:51:20 AM

That's something that I always thought SRAM should be able to do with AXS.  Configurable speeds since it's all electronic.

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Icyseanfitz on July 25, 2022, 02:44:59 PM
I'd be interested in this if the price was better, much better. It's €500 ish on AliExpress anywhere I've seen it, people will just buy axs.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: elgaucher on August 14, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
Here's a bit more info:

https://youtu.be/eISsqEf3r7k
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: RDY on August 15, 2022, 06:53:15 AM
Here's a bit more info:

https://youtu.be/eISsqEf3r7k

Clutch looks a bit strong, but I suppose difficult to tell.

Really hope the final production version is good ... Shimano and SRAM deserve a kick in the teeth for the ridiculous pricing and feature gating.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on February 19, 2023, 08:21:53 PM
Thread back from the dead, about a product that appears to be dead too.

https://loveforbikes.com/mysterious-disappearance-of-chinese-electronic-rear-derailleur-wheeltop-eds-ox/

I purchased a set of the EDS system last August.  I am getting ready to put it on one of my bikes.   Though about purchasing another set, and they are nowhere to be found for sale.

Bummer...   

I wrote Wheel Tops asking them what happened that they stopped manufacturing and selling them.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on February 20, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
Wheeltop responded to my query of why they are no longer available on Aliexpress, or direct sale.

Where are you come from?We only sell them in select areas.

Best regards
wheeltop sales


I replied back stating USA.  They replied:

Sorry, we will contact you as soon as the sale starts in the United States.

Best regards
wheeltop sales


They must have been caught copying at least some part of a SRAM's system and had their hands slapped so that they can't export to a bunch of countries around the world. 

It is difficult for "we the consumers" when someone else improves upon a design that is patented and the patent holders intentionally do not improve the product because the company is milking the cow for all it is worth because a few companies own the market.

I hope Wheeltop filed patents for their innovative approach to having a rear derailleur that works with 7 speed through 13 speed cassettes.   Market threat to all the others who want to sell us rear derailleurs that only work for a given speed cassette. 


Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on May 23, 2023, 11:44:03 PM
Update on Wheel Top EDX drivetrain.

I have 2 of these derailleurs on my latest 29er hardtail 1 X 12 builds.   I really love how these electric derailleurs are working.  First install has around 100 flawless off road miles, the second one was installed this morning and I went out and rode 20 fun miles of trails and single track.

There are a few sellers on Aliexpress that list them for sale and will ship to the USA.   
I believe that I am hooked on these wireless electric derailleurs.   I have not owned either Scumano or SCRAM electronic systems, therefore I can't compare the EDS to them, but so far the EDS OX is a fantastic upgrade. 
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: numberzero on May 24, 2023, 06:00:26 AM
What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: kbernstein on May 24, 2023, 06:03:04 AM
What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?

novelty  :)
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on May 24, 2023, 09:48:04 AM
What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?
Here is why I went this direction versus SRAM.

-  Weight, my EDS OX, with battery, weighs 350 grams.   XX1 weighs 373 grams, X01 =390 grams, GX-AXS weighs 463 grams.

-  My inspection indicates that the manufacturing, quality and finish of the EDS is right up there with XX1 and XO1.  (Therefore my cost delta comparison is EDS VS at least X01)

-  (Not that I need this feature) but using the WheelTop app, lets you reconfigure the derailleur to work with 8 through 13 speed cassettes compatible with almost all brands of cassettes.)  Wow! something generic in the world of proprietary shifting systems where the the 3 big boys intentionally change and make your groupset obsolete every few years and you can't mix and match parts between brands, because they "optimize" shifting to one set of specific parts.

- At least to date, the shifting is smooth, fast, and quiet and with only a push of the button.  Side note:  I have been wanting to go electric/wireless for a couple years now because of a right wrist injury and increasing arthritis on the back of my hands that causes sharp pain having to shift standard Mtn bike shift pods)

Time will tell if I still love this product a year from now.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 04, 2023, 10:03:40 AM
Now this is very interesting...

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.1.63ed4c3dFoZ6D0&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.333918.0&scm_id=1007.40000.333918.0&scm-url=1007.40000.333918.0&pvid=4cb36b1e-8e44-4134-aa12-4663a8e06046&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.333918.0,pvid:4cb36b1e-8e44-4134-aa12-4663a8e06046,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238115%23886&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2152.11%2126.05%21%21%21%21%21%402103244616858876996373344e8981%2112000033891266851%21rec%21US%21122805404

Looks like in May 2023 at the Taipei Cycle show WheelTop showed 2 other versions of their EDS OX derailleurs.  Ones with 58mm and 75mm cages.   Articles state they are for road, hybrid or folding bike applications with flat handlebars.  (Likely because the shift pod is sized to 22.2 diameter flat handlebars rather than drop road bars).

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: kbernstein on June 04, 2023, 10:22:17 AM
I do really like this approach of letting us truly choose the cage, numbe of speeds and mounting.
If only we weren't restricted by the braking lever on the road. STI was a disaster for consumers
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: emp? on June 06, 2023, 03:21:34 AM
looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html seems like a bargain
(fixed the link)
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 06, 2023, 10:00:32 AM
One a Whim, I just purchased 2 of them.   I really can't see how or why WheelTop would change their internal derailleur programming to only work with a SRAM Cassette.  In order for the limit set screw adjustments for the low/high gear/cog to work properly, they still would need to be able to fine tune the derailleur cage position relative to the highest gear on the cassette. 
Perhaps the store selling this combo doesn't know or want to advertise the phone app that will let you adjust all of the features that the derailleur offers. 
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: jonathanf2 on June 06, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
One a Whim, I just purchased 2 of them.   I really can't see how or why WheelTop would change their internal derailleur programming to only work with a SRAM Cassette.  In order for the limit set screw adjustments for the low/high gear/cog to work properly, they still would need to be able to fine tune the derailleur cage position relative to the highest gear on the cassette. 
Perhaps the store selling this combo doesn't know or want to advertise the phone app that will let you adjust all of the features that the derailleur offers.

How would the derailleur even know you're using a SRAM cassette? It's just an HG hub cassette with a 12 speed 11-50t cassette.

I'm almost tempted to buy this for a flat bar gravel setup!
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: japjoe7 on June 06, 2023, 11:59:30 AM
$273.59usd is pretty damn cheap considering the GX is $600+
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: coffeebreak on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.htm seems like a bargain

I can't actually see what this link has - just goes to a blank page (not even Alix homepage). When I do "Wheeltop EDX" search I get random derailleur search results like Deore and L-Twoo, nothing remotely close to Wheeltop. Anyone with same issue?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: endurik on June 07, 2023, 11:48:14 AM
I can't actually see what this link has - just goes to a blank page (not even Alix homepage).

add an "L" after "htm"  ;)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Cerps on June 07, 2023, 01:03:13 PM

Has anyone seen the dropbar version pop up yet?  I've only seen the coming soon on their website. 
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: kbernstein on June 07, 2023, 01:20:36 PM
Has anyone seen the dropbar version pop up yet?  I've only seen the coming soon on their website.

It was shown at the shanghai bike show with mediocre reviews, but it's definitely not out
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: japjoe7 on June 08, 2023, 11:32:04 AM
looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html seems like a bargain
(fixed the link)

LOL no longer available. People jumped on that quick.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: TidyDinosaur on June 08, 2023, 11:48:15 AM
LOL no longer available. People jumped on that quick.
Yeah, it looked like a pricing error when I first saw it....
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 08, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
I ordered 2 the other day and they are already on their way to me.   ;D

I influenced 2 other friends to order a set each.  Therefore I caused 4 of the orders, when their stock count was a 10 units.

Anyone else order a set on this forum?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 12, 2023, 09:13:48 PM
I ordered 2 the other day and they are already on their way to me.   ;D

I influenced 2 other friends to order a set each.  Therefore I caused 4 of the orders, when their stock count was a 10 units.

Anyone else order a set on this forum?

I do, ordered one. I never tried AXS nor Wireless system before, but this price tag is just hard to resist.

Ayway, anyone know how I can find the APK for Android APP? I couldn't find one in Playstore
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 12, 2023, 10:17:04 PM
They hide the links to the apps fairly well.  A few of the stores on Aliexpress posted them in the past.
(I still have not been able to get the Android version of their app to work for in the US.   I wrote Wheeltop weeks ago, when a "working version for the US" will be available and they never got back to me.)

I set up an account, but when I put in my login, it slams by location to Canada, then my login doesn't work.  OTOH, on my wife's Apple phone I was able to login and use the app.


ALPPE IOS APP:http://121.196.97.253/api/app/others/app/download?packageName=com.wheeltop.ride


Android APP: https://wheeltop.oss-cn-shenzhen.aliyuncs.com/1658243982749app-release.apk
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 12, 2023, 11:28:18 PM
Sweet thanks Tijoe


I also hard to believe that they will make dedicated S/W to restricted use for just 10 sets



Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 21, 2023, 06:57:19 AM
Just got them on my hand today
But I bent my rear wheel, so need to wait for awhile to try

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 22, 2023, 10:01:37 AM
"Posted while scratching my head wondering about this variant of the EDS OX"

On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.   

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805159928716.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.115.7c1cMf7PMf7PCS&algo_pvid=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc&algo_exp_id=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc-57&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21420.9%21399.86%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf49716874458129797064d07c1%2112000033992666065%21sea%21US%21122805404&curPageLogUid=socUtnteY7Fr

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: jonathanf2 on June 22, 2023, 10:58:02 AM
"Posted while scratching my head wondering about this variant of the EDS OX"

On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.   

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805159928716.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.115.7c1cMf7PMf7PCS&algo_pvid=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc&algo_exp_id=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc-57&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21420.9%21399.86%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf49716874458129797064d07c1%2112000033992666065%21sea%21US%21122805404&curPageLogUid=socUtnteY7Fr

Isn't that the version that Wheeltop was forced to make because SRAM sued them? I would think the removable battery version is the more better version to have.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 22, 2023, 12:19:03 PM
I've spent hours trying to find any legal proceedings by SRAM against Wheeltop. (LANXI WHEEL TOP CYCLE INDUSTRIES CO. )  I have not been able to find anything other than speculation.  If you have any links or information, please post.  I would like to find out more.
- I suspect that there was some sort of "cease and desist" letter sent to Wheeltop because Wheeltop did write me once that they could not sell their product in the US and several other countries.  An integrated battery might be the work around?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 22, 2023, 01:07:16 PM
Just got a time to try it today with app.
Seem like this SPECIAL version cannot connect to the APP

Any one tried, and work. Plz plz plz share
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on June 22, 2023, 08:30:12 PM
My latest order of the "combo with cassette, chain and EDS"f has not arrived yet.  No help here.   You should still be able to pair the button module to the derailleur and set it up on the bike in its manual set up mode.
What app are you trying to use?  Apple or Android?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 22, 2023, 11:15:40 PM
Yes, I can still pair with the bottom, but my app on Android can't find the derailleur.

Not sure why, or older version may work, or Change county would work ?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: nickobec on June 22, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
"On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.   

I am pretty sure Joe from China Cycling on YouTube mentioned it, officially for better water proofing, but suspects SRAM, their patents and lawyers with cease and desist letter.

That said Campagnolo's new groupset has removable batteries (just different front and rear) so Wheeltop could switch back next generation, if water proofing issues resolved ;-) and say to SRAM "Campagnolo have removable batteries, so why can't we". As SRAM will not take legal action against Campagnolo, and that lack of action can be used as a legal defense.

visited this thread looking for info on Wheeltop Road EDS drivetrain that was on display at EuroBike (have go through my youtube history and rewatch videos to find out who).
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: pecampbe on June 24, 2023, 11:08:16 AM
Isn't that the version that Wheeltop was forced to make because SRAM sued them? I would think the removable battery version is the more better version to have.

I can't believe they were able to get a patent on the concept of removable battery. Being able to put a patent on such a basic concept is ridiculous.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: kbernstein on June 24, 2023, 11:57:58 AM
Yup, that's intellectual "property for you" . They even claim monopolies on colors, and both sram and shimano are very aggressive on patents. Not to get too political but the consumer really suffers from this bullshit  :-\
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on June 26, 2023, 09:11:13 AM
Just mail to WheelTop and ask why the app can't find the device.
They then send me link to latest app release. Now, just able to connect to the APP, and yes we can fine tune, and select from 7-13speed like normal products.

I did update firmware to lastet version as well.

Just wait for my new wheel, and this weekend, hopefully I can test this OX

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: japjoe7 on June 27, 2023, 11:26:28 AM
Found another listing, looks like they discontinued the removable battery per the vendor comments in a review.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.170f9VHa9VHaBb&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21793.44%21396.72%21%21%21%21%21%402101eac916878822752237066e7421%2112000034229198812%21rec%21US%21785098199 (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.170f9VHa9VHaBb&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21793.44%21396.72%21%21%21%21%21%402101eac916878822752237066e7421%2112000034229198812%21rec%21US%21785098199)
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on July 09, 2023, 01:15:52 PM
Just mail to WheelTop and ask why the app can't find the device.
They then send me link to latest app release. Now, just able to connect to the APP, and yes we can fine tune, and select from 7-13speed like normal products.

I did update firmware to lastet version as well.

Just wait for my new wheel, and this weekend, hopefully I can test this OX
Can you please post the link to the latest version of the application for Android.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on July 09, 2023, 01:33:41 PM
I see  several future problems with the change in the battery design.

1.  I have purchased and received a total of 4 of the kits with a removable battery.   Now that they have changed the design, I wonder how long the batteries will last before they no longer take a charge?   one year, 2 years, 3 years?  Once my batteries no longer take a charge, what will I use to keep the derailleur powered?  Will I have used the derailleur so much riding my bikes that I will want to replace the derailleur with a new one before the batteries die?

2.  With a fixed battery I see 2 problems.  First, If you are on the trail and the fixed battery runs out of power you are stuck. No way to shift. - ride it home fixed gear?  Perhaps carry some sort of power bank and sit next to the bike until the derailleur get enough charge to get yo home?  Second, what happens when the battery no longer takes a charge?  Can the battery be removed and replaced?

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: japjoe7 on July 10, 2023, 07:31:39 AM
I see  several future problems with the change in the battery design.

1.  I have purchased and received a total of 4 of the kits with a removable battery.   Now that they have changed the design, I wonder how long the batteries will last before they no longer take a charge?   one year, 2 years, 3 years?  Once my batteries no longer take a charge, what will I use to keep the derailleur powered?  Will I have used the derailleur so much riding my bikes that I will want to replace the derailleur with a new one before the batteries die?

2.  With a fixed battery I see 2 problems.  First, If you are on the trail and the fixed battery runs out of power you are stuck. No way to shift. - ride it home fixed gear?  Perhaps carry some sort of power bank and sit next to the bike until the derailleur get enough charge to get yo home?  Second, what happens when the battery no longer takes a charge?  Can the battery be removed and replaced?

You should email there support and ask. There has to be a way to remove the battery and replace it. I can't image they would make it hard to replace for a full derailleur. I would think it would be something like the attached pic.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on July 10, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
I am becoming frustrated fast.  I deleted the Wheeltop app from my Android/Samsung phone. and loaded whatever app is posted on the web link I had.  I was able to log in, and get to the "add equipment" page.  When I press the "find nearby devices"  nothing is found, and the app goes back to the previous page. 

I switched to my wife's Apple phone.  On this version of the app, it finds the new derailleur.  When I try to bind the derailleur to the app.  It wont bind and connect to the derailleur.   Tried many times.

Then I tried inputting the MAC ID listed for the derailleur on the Apple App,  back into the option on my Android version, and nothing happens.

I am wondering if the Aliexpress special sale that included the SRAM/chain is something unique, where they might have disabled the ability to change the derailleur settings.

Thoughts?

I would also like to see a link to the App that Sriracha used to set up his derailleur.

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on July 11, 2023, 05:22:53 AM
Can you please post the link to the latest version of the application for Android.

you got it.
I did installed and work well.

http://121.196.97.253/api/app/others/app/download?packageName=com.wheeltop.ride

I plan to switch back to 10 speed soon, as the lightweight 11-50 is available in 10 speed.
Normally I ride Enduro trail, so no need 12 speed, but I need good range

Kong 
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on July 11, 2023, 09:57:35 AM
you got it.
I did installed and work well.

I plan to switch back to 10 speed soon, as the lightweight 11-50 is available in 10 speed.
Normally I ride Enduro trail, so no need 12 speed, but I need good range

Kong

The link?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on July 11, 2023, 10:39:34 PM
The link?

edited with link
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on July 16, 2023, 10:40:54 PM
FYI.  The android version of the Wheeltop App that Sriracha has works properly, versus the version that the sellers send you a link to.  I am now a happy owner of my EDS OX derailleurs. 
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Chester on July 17, 2023, 02:11:57 PM
Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on July 17, 2023, 10:17:08 PM
Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
Sweet bike
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: electrolux on July 27, 2023, 05:08:24 AM
Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
This whole forum is a rabbit hole.  ;D
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on August 16, 2023, 06:39:20 PM
900 mile review using the EDS OX with a removable battery.

Overall I am very pleased with the performance and battery life of this system!!!

I had one strange thing happen, and then one other issue I need to look into.

1.  Before a multi-day ride, I left the bike sitting for 2 weeks with almost a fully charged battery.  Tried to ride the bike and it wouldn't shift.  Battery was drained.  Swapped battery and it started shifting properly.   (Makes me wonder if one will need to keep the new model fixed batter version, hooked up to its charger when the bike is sitting there.)

2.  I decided to ride a 800K/500 mile bike-packing trip with 9000M/30K+ feet of rolling-hill climbing.   Seemed like almost continuous shifting non-stop for 12 hours a day.
I was pleased to find that the battery lasted 3 days, before I decided to swap it out and install a fresh charged one. 

3. After about 3 hundred miles, the derailleur stopped shifting crisply between several of the gears.  (The bike suffered through rain, mud, dust, and a lot of non-stop shifting and it was working on a 53+ pound loaded-up bike.)
I still haven't looked into why it stopped shifting a few single cog/gears.  I am thinking that I need to tune/adjust it by one or two pushes of the button in teach mode.   Since I haven't looked into it in detail, it could also be a cassette issue. Shimano XT Cassette has about 4K miles on it with little cleaning.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Sriracha on August 18, 2023, 02:02:21 AM
Wow that's intense.
Mine just charged once after purchase. My ride is most likely Enduro
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on September 29, 2024, 03:32:38 PM
Bringing this thread back to life.    I rode a grueling 590 mile bikepacking ride recently.  I ran one of my Wheeltop EDS OX derailleur systems on the 1X12 bike I used.  I shifted great, until it didn't....

The ride I rode was really hard on my bike.   Root fields, rocks, hike-a-bike hiking trails, well used quad trails, abandoned trails.  Many mud bogs, creek crossings, river crossings and downed trees.     About 300 miles into the ride the chain started jumping off my 50 cog into the spokes.  Thought it was the derailleur, but turned out to be a broken tooth on the 50 cog that would let the chain get thrown.     Further into the ride, the derailleur stopped shifting smoothly across many of the gears.  About 500 miles into the ride, I could no longer shift out of my 3 highest gears until I shifted a 4th time, then it would jump across all 4 gears.  It also stopped shifting into my highest gear.   (I figured most of this was due to a stretched out chain.)

This derailleur has at most 1500 miles on it!!!

I was able to keep the OX shifting just good enough to finish the ride.

Today I spent 6 hours trying to get the OX derailleur to shift smoothly again.   So far no luck!   I replaced my front chainring, new chain, and swapped in a near new ZTTO cassette.    No matter what I adjust, I can't get the derailleur to shift out of the highest gear into the next lower gear.

- I've added 2 chain links, too loose, and then removed one.  Better..
- I have adjusted the "B" screw so many times that the OEM threadlock compound is worn of the threads.
- I ran down my cell phone battery using the app hour after hour trying to adjust the cassette gears to a good trim, and trying to get it to shift smoothly.
- It appeared that the derailleur cage was twisted and bent.   I spent over an hour, gradually flexing/bending the long cage trying to get it perfectly aligned with the smallest gear.  (This hasn't helped.)

My next step is to remove the derailleur and swap with another EDS OX off of another bike.

I am beginning to think that the Wheeltop EDS OX isn't a very robust derailleur...

EDIT:   I put on a new derailleur.  It set up and it shifts quickly and correctly across all the gears.  It took me about 20 minutes total to get it to work.   

WHAT THE F**CK GOES BAD/FAILS WITH THE WHEELTOP ESD OX DERAILLEURS THAT MAKES IT SO THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FORCE TO SHIFT OUT OF THE HIGHEST GEAR/SMALLEST COG!!!

Now, I have 2 EDS OX rear derailleurs with the same problem!!!

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Linsook on September 29, 2024, 08:27:30 PM
Bringing this thread back to life.    I rode a grueling 590 mile bikepacking ride recently.  I ran one of my Wheeltop EDS OX derailleur systems on the 1X12 bike I used.  I shifted great, until it didn't....

The ride I rode was really hard on my bike.   Root fields, rocks, hike-a-bike hiking trails, well used quad trails, abandoned trails.  Many mud bogs, creek crossings, river crossings and downed trees.     About 300 miles into the ride the chain started jumping off my 50 cog into the spokes.  Thought it was the derailleur, but turned out to be a broken tooth on the 50 cog that would let the chain get thrown.     Further into the ride, the derailleur stopped shifting smoothly across many of the gears.  About 500 miles into the ride, I could no longer shift out of my 3 highest gears until I shifted a 4th time, then it would jump across all 4 gears.  It also stopped shifting into my highest gear.   (I figured most of this was due to a stretched out chain.)

This derailleur has at most 1500 miles on it!!!

I was able to keep the OX shifting just good enough to finish the ride.

Today I spent 6 hours trying to get the OX derailleur to shift smoothly again.   So far no luck!   I replaced my front chainring, new chain, and swapped in a near new ZTTO cassette.    No matter what I adjust, I can't get the derailleur to shift out of the highest gear into the next lower gear.

- I've added 2 chain links, too loose, and then removed one.  Better..
- I have adjusted the "B" screw so many times that the OEM threadlock compound is worn of the threads.
- I ran down my cell phone battery using the app hour after hour trying to adjust the cassette gears to a good trim, and trying to get it to shift smoothly.
- It appeared that the derailleur cage was twisted and bent.   I spent over an hour, gradually flexing/bending the long cage trying to get it perfectly aligned with the smallest gear.  (This hasn't helped.)

My next step is to remove the derailleur and swap with another EDS OX off of another bike.

I am beginning to think that the Wheeltop EDS OX isn't a very robust derailleur...

EDIT:   I put on a new derailleur.  It set up and it shifts quickly and correctly across all the gears.  It took me about 20 minutes total to get it to work.   

WHAT THE F**CK GOES BAD/FAILS WITH THE WHEELTOP ESD OX DERAILLEURS THAT MAKES IT SO THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FORCE TO SHIFT OUT OF THE HIGHEST GEAR/SMALLEST COG!!!

Now, I have 2 EDS OX rear derailleurs with the same problem!!!

Damn that sucks.  Any problems with getting them warrantied?
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Crash217 on March 06, 2025, 10:29:27 AM
My OX system is coming up on 18 months old. It has been nearly flawless in its performance and has around 700 miles on it.

Only real exception is; I pulled the MTB off the wall a couple weeks ago and went for a ride and right from the start of the ride it didn't want to shift down the cassette correctly. One click, nothing. Second click; boom, down two cogs.  Shifts up the cassette were fine.  It had been working just fine the last ride I had done on the bike.

I fiddled with the digital adjustments, checked the cassette and endcaps for tightness. Adjusted travel end points. Got out the laser and even swapped chains and chain lengths then slapped a brand new chain on the bike. I got out my derailleur hanger alignment tool and checked that as well.  Nothing seemed to alleviate the issue.  Then I fiddled with the B screw. *poof* instantly fixed.   No idea how or why my B screw would have gotten out of adjustment but bringing it "in" about 1.5 turns made everything run smoothly. 

Added Bonus;  In my searching for a solution, I came across a couple of posts on the WheelTop Facebook group about someone backdooring the system and giving adventurous users more potential adjustments and a high speed/race mode for shift speeds.   The fast shifting is IMPRESSIVE to say the least.  Where originally the shifts were *fine* about the same speed as my original mechanical SRAM GX system when dialed in just right, now the shifts are downright seamless and as fast as anything I can recall seeing.    I ran the backdoor from my PC but it apparently can run on some phones or mobile browsers as well.

Relevant links; 

The WheelTop facebook group post with all the information;  https://www.facebook.com/groups/wheeltopeds/permalink/589424673824889

The App backdoor website; https://dreds.jeckyll.net/





Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: MagicShite on March 06, 2025, 11:26:13 PM
odd question:

Anyone here installed the RD hanger bolt with 8nm-10nm torque specs (or anything remotely tight) and somehow it now prevents the RD knuckle from swiveling/rotating rearwards smoothly like most normal RDs?

This "bug" is present in the OX 1.0 as well.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on March 17, 2025, 01:54:40 PM
odd question:

Anyone here installed the RD hanger bolt with 8nm-10nm torque specs (or anything remotely tight) and somehow it now prevents the RD knuckle from swiveling/rotating rearwards smoothly like most normal RDs?

This "bug" is present in the OX 1.0 as well.
Check to see what order the lock retainer and retainer with the bent tang are on.  I had 2 of my EDS OX derailleurs assembled with the "B" screw tang assembled below the retaining ring and they both bound up when I would tighten them.  Swapped them to what is shown in the attached image and they swivel on the hanger when tight.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on March 17, 2025, 01:59:05 PM
I just purchased a set of the original EDS OX with removable batteries, for $205.46 USD.   WOW!  $75 less than the last set I purchased.   Anniversary price - Coupon- coins


https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807986811071.html
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: MagicShite on March 17, 2025, 10:03:21 PM
Check to see what order the lock retainer and retainer with the bent tang are on.  I had 2 of my EDS OX derailleurs assembled with the "B" screw tang assembled below the retaining ring and they both bound up when I would tighten them.  Swapped them to what is shown in the attached image and they swivel on the hanger when tight.

thanks, but unfortunately my EDS OX 2.0 is completely different and it doesn't have the same assembly.

Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on April 29, 2025, 10:44:00 AM
My next problem child.   The Gen1 EDS OX removable battery rear derailleur that I mounted on the FS MTB bike I build last year has always has shifting problems from the get-go.  I had only ridden this bike around 125 miles until last week. (I just rode it another 100+ miles last week.)    During the 7 days of harsh single track riding, the derailleur was continuously having shift problems.   (Of course, all my riding buddies speculated on that the problem is/was.)

When I arrived home, I noticed that the derailleur body wobbles around the hanger bolt.  (Hanger BOLT is tight!, and hanger is not bent!)  It wobbles enough that it sometimes wont shift into the 12gear, or shifts up or down by itself depending on pedal load during shifting.

I removed the hanger bolt, to discover that this derailleur is machined differently than my other 4 gen 1 EDS OXs.  Looks like Wheeltop improperly machined a bore too deep into the derailleur body, and rather than scrapping the part, they did some "rework" with a custom aluminum C-ring (second pic.) and a washer.   This fix they did appears to me to be a Cloodge so they could throw the derailleur over the fence and sell it through an "unauthorized seller"  (I wonder how many of these problem children have been made and sold.   (I have another Gen1 EDS OX that had manufacturing problems that they wouldn't warranty, where I had to hand file an interference to get it to shift smoothly.)

I am attaching some pics of the problem.  I have no choice but to resolve this problem on my own, because I doubt that Wheeltop will step up and give me a replacement derailleur due to their terrible quality control!!! 

Note:  in the first image the "defective body" is the lower derailleur in the picture.  If you look closely, you can see that the bore into the body is deeper by close to 2 mm, versus the derailleur shown in the top of the picture.
Title: Re: WheelTop EDX OS Series Wireless MTB Drivetrain
Post by: Tijoe on April 29, 2025, 10:49:21 AM
My next problem child.   The Gen1 EDS OX removable battery rear derailleur that I mounted on the FS MTB bike I build last year has always has shifting problems from the get-go.  I had only ridden this bike around 125 miles until last week. (I just rode it another 100+ miles last week.)    During the 7 days of harsh single track riding, the derailleur was continuously having shift problems.   (Of course, all my riding buddies speculated on what the problem is/was.)

When I arrived home, I noticed that the derailleur body wobbles around the hanger bolt.  (Hanger BOLT is tight!, and hanger is not bent!)  It wobbles enough that it sometimes wont shift into the 12gear, or shifts up or down by itself depending on pedal load during shifting.

I removed the hanger bolt, to discover that this derailleur is machined differently than my other 4 gen 1 EDS OXs.  Looks like Wheeltop improperly machined a bore too deep into the derailleur body, and rather than scrapping the part, they did some "rework" with a custom C-ring and a washer.   This fix they did appears to me to be a Cloodge so they could throw the derailleur over the fence and sell it through an "unauthorized seller"  (I wonder how many of these problem children have been made and sold.   (I have another Gen1 EDS OX that had manufacturing problems that they wouldn't warranty, where I had to hand file an interference to get it to shift smoothly.)

I am attaching some pics of the problem.  I have no choice but to resolve this problem on my own, because I doubt that Wheeltop will step up and give me a replacement derailleur due to their terrible quality control!!! 

Note:  in the first image the "defective body" is the lower derailleur in the picture.  If you look closely, you can see that the bore into the body is deeper by close to 2 mm, versus the derailleur shown in the top of the picture.